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These are just my thoughts....you'll probably disagree...but please post something you'd do instead of just bashing me.

Sundin

-high end nhl prospect
-mid level prospect
-high draft picks
(See Forsberg last year)

Kaberle

-high end nhl prospect (preferably a defenseman)
-high end draft picks (possibly 2nd and 3rd rounders...or 1st/futures

Blake

-high end NHL prospect or mid level prospect/pick

Tucker

-mid level prospect/mid draft pick say 4th/5th round or third liner NHL'er/low pick

Kubina

-high end prospect
-mid draft pick

Raycroft

-draft picks low end or cash considerations

Antropov

-Young prospects 2
- 3rd/4th round draft pick

McCabe

-He's not going anywhere unfortunately.


A few deals I'd look at....

Sundin's deals

To VAN Sundin
To TOR Kesler, Bourdon and 1st rounder 2008, 3rd rounder 2009

To PHI Sundin
To TOR Richards and 3rd rounder 2008 or Carter, Coburn, 2nd rounder

To DET Sundin
To TOR Fillipula, Kronwall and 2nd rounder 2008

Tucker Deal

To EDM Tucker
To TOR Torres and 4th rounder 2008

Kubina Deal

To COL Kubina
To TOR Shattenkirk/Cumiskey and 4th rounder 2008

Kaberle Deal

To STL Kaberle and Wellwood
To TOR Jackman, Eller, Perron and 2nd rounder (I'd like to get Berglund though)

Blake Deal

To SJ: Blake
To TOR: Bernier and 4th round pick 2008

Raycroft Deal

To PIT Raycroft
To TOR 4th round draft pick

Antropov Deal

To ANA Antropov
To TOR Bobby Ryan and 2nd round pick

These are just deals off the top of my head....I'm just throwing out names here....but you get my drift here.

iunno why...but i love the Sundin/Filipula deal

Jalen I like all your deals except for Blake. Blake will keep it entertaining for the fans and is playing well with Stajan right now.

If they get 2/3 of what you propose I would be happy and they would be lucky to have that transpire.

I dont' think anyone would take kubina

maybe not blake or mccabe either. Or tucker.

Good work, and nice post.

Unfortunately, there is no way the Leafs attain Bobby Ryan from ANA for Antropov. I wish though.

jalenrose#5 wrote:These are just my thoughts....you'll probably disagree...but please post something you'd do instead of just bashing me.

Sundin

-high end nhl prospect
-mid level prospect
-high draft picks
(See Forsberg last year)

Kaberle

-high end nhl prospect (preferably a defenseman)
-high end draft picks (possibly 2nd and 3rd rounders...or 1st/futures

Blake

-high end NHL prospect or mid level prospect/pick

Tucker

-mid level prospect/mid draft pick say 4th/5th round or third liner NHL'er/low pick

Kubina

-high end prospect
-mid draft pick

Raycroft

-draft picks low end or cash considerations

Antropov

-Young prospects 2
- 3rd/4th round draft pick

McCabe

-He's not going anywhere unfortunately.


A few deals I'd look at....

Sundin's deals

To VAN Sundin
To TOR Kesler, Bourdon and 1st rounder 2008, 3rd rounder 2009

To PHI Sundin
To TOR Richards and 3rd rounder 2008 or Carter, Coburn, 2nd rounder

To DET Sundin
To TOR Fillipula, Kronwall and 2nd rounder 2008

Tucker Deal

To EDM Tucker
To TOR Torres and 4th rounder 2008

Kubina Deal

To COL Kubina
To TOR Shattenkirk/Cumiskey and 4th rounder 2008

Kaberle Deal

To STL Kaberle and Wellwood
To TOR Jackman, Eller, Perron and 2nd rounder (I'd like to get Berglund though)

Blake Deal

To SJ: Blake
To TOR: Bernier and 4th round pick 2008

Raycroft Deal

To PIT Raycroft
To TOR 4th round draft pick

Antropov Deal

To ANA Antropov
To TOR Bobby Ryan and 2nd round pick

These are just deals off the top of my head....I'm just throwing out names here....but you get my drift here.

Anaheim would never ever give you Ryan who was picked after Crosby for Nik Antropov. They would have to agree to shut it down and then just say screw it lets rip ourselves off. I doubt San Jose wants to part with Bernier for Blake since Blake is what 35 or 36 and is going to slow down. He's a good goal scorer but has a contract that pays him till he's 40.

I am suprised that you didn't sugest a Kabrle for Erik Johnson deal, they will not give you Rik Jackman, David Perron and Lars Eller for Kabrle. Thats a stretch and I think they are still rebuliding and what to devlop their talent.

Detroit would gladly give you that for Sundin but rumor is that we are closing a deal that may include a pick and something for Blake.

the deals are pretty realistic (aside from the bobby ryan one, I don't think they touch ryan for antropov straight up let alone having to add in a draft pick) but they generally seem to me like the other teams are giving up a bit too much

course i'll freely admit, that being a sens fan, i'm biased

Leafs NEED a 1st rounder coming back in a deal with Sundin even if they are getting a solid prospect back. Bobby Ryan for Nik Antropov, I wish

I don't think anyone will give you a pick for Raycroft, and it's a bit much for a struggling Blake.

IMO, Kaberle does have close to the value you offered there (IMO, he's should ned a return close to Pronger when he left Edmonton; he's not demanding a trade, and is on a cheap/long term contract), but that's still a bit much. Not terrible deals, just unrealistic.

You think you could Ryan for Antropov? Not a chance then you ask for a pick? Wow.

There would be interest for all those players mentioned. Perhaps not Ryan but someone might be surprised what one got for Antropov and McCabe. It was reported that there was even interest in Tucker by several teams. I am at a loss for words on that last one!

I'm just looking for a high end prospect for Antropov and Ryan was the only guy i knew off the top of my head from ANA. But looking at their prospect list, I'd be all over Mark Mitera....maybe not for Antropov...but for somebody. He has the rare combonation of defensive ability, skating ability, size, hitting ability and some offensive upside.

Looking at hockey's future prospect list.....guess who they have 6th overall....yeah...Tuukka Rask...(Erik Johnson, Jonathan Toews, Jack Johnson, Niklas Backstrom and Carey Price)......that just burns everytime I see it.

Forgot to mention....add Wellwood to the list...I throw bricks at the tv whenever he's on the ice....the kid is softer than a marshmellow

jalenrose#5 - Nik has had one great season this year, he's been nothing less then a bust in his previous seasons you can ask any Leaf expert that and they will say the same thing. Bobby Ryan is a elite prospect that would take like a Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Ilya, Malkin those type of names to get him. Why would they sell themselves short for Nik Antropov?

McCabe would have to agree to be traded first of all to be even moved. I don't see him going to a small market and having any positive value. He's a bad long term signing I think he's a top 10 player in terms of money and thats just insane. Guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Heatley make as much as him !

Again nobdody would want anybody on Toronto except for Antropov, Sundin, Toskala and Kabrle. If they trade both Kabrle and Toskala they are dumb as they should be building talent around them. Not hindering them with horrid signing ie Hal Gill, Kubina, Tucker and Blake. Those are very bad signings since each one is making $4+ per season and is seriously not worth it. If they can get value then all the power to them but untill they do this is pure enjoyment for me as the Leafs are the laughing stock of the NHL and Detroit is on top of the world.

Like your trades but Ryan isn't going anywhere unless Sundin is the player instead of Antopov and the draft choice is a first (Edmonton's 1st pick)...

Antropov's contract isn't too bad and so he may not be traded at all ...

xbl_sucks wrote:jalenrose#5 - Nik has had one great season this year, he's been nothing less then a bust in his previous seasons you can ask any Leaf expert that and they will say the same thing. Bobby Ryan is a elite prospect that would take like a Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Ilya, Malkin those type of names to get him. Why would they sell themselves short for Nik Antropov?

McCabe would have to agree to be traded first of all to be even moved. I don't see him going to a small market and having any positive value. He's a bad long term signing I think he's a top 10 player in terms of money and thats just insane. Guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg and Heatley make as much as him !

Again nobdody would want anybody on Toronto except for Antropov, Sundin, Toskala and Kabrle. If they trade both Kabrle and Toskala they are dumb as they should be building talent around them. Not hindering them with horrid signing ie Hal Gill, Kubina, Tucker and Blake. Those are very bad signings since each one is making $4+ per season and is seriously not worth it. If they can get value then all the power to them but untill they do this is pure enjoyment for me as the Leafs are the laughing stock of the NHL and Detroit is on top of the world.

what are you smoking? Theyre are certainly plenty of deals out there that Anaheim would accept for Bobby Ryan. Your crazy to think it would take a top 10 player to aquire him in trade.

players Burke would deal Ryan for (Mike Richards, Parise, Hemsky, Nathan Horton, Semin etc). Theres a reason Ryan has yet to crack that lineup for good and has been given alot of chances too and it has to do with his attitude and lazy behavior. If that draft was redone, Ryan would prolly not crack the top 5 (Crosby, Kopitar, Carey Price, Jack Johnson, Marc Staal would all go before him).

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what are you smoking? Theyre are certainly plenty of deals out there that Anaheim would accept for Bobby Ryan. Your crazy to think it would take a top 10 player to aquire him in trade.

players Burke would deal Ryan for (Mike Richards, Parise, Hemsky, Nathan Horton, Semin etc). Theres a reason Ryan has yet to crack that lineup for good and has been given alot of chances too and it has to do with his attitude and lazy behavior. If that draft was redone, Ryan would prolly not crack the top 5 (Crosby, Kopitar, Carey Price, Jack Johnson, Marc Staal would all go before him).

In a package deal like say Zetterberg for Perry or Ryan Getzlaf and Ryan I would do it. I ment as a package not 1 for 1. What I am saying is the Leafs are a hot mess and don't have much in trade bait.

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In a package deal like say Zetterberg for Perry or Ryan Getzlaf and Ryan I would do it. I ment as a package not 1 for 1. What I am saying is the Leafs are a hot mess and don't have much in trade bait.

Leafs have more then enough in trade bait if they so choose. Both Sundin and Kaberle would bring back very healthy return. Leafs should keep Kaberle and build around him, but if they decided to deal him they would get back a good deal.

Went to the game last night - what a snorefest. Until the last 30 seconds. I'm mixed on that though, because I can see a top-5 pick slipping away again if they keep that up.

What I really wanted to mention is that Hal Gill is perhaps underrated as a nice piece of trade bait. His salary is only in the $2-$2.5 million range, and goes 1 or 2 more years. For that price and for what he can contribute, there are a lot of teams that wouldn't mind picking him up at the deadline. You might be able to get a 2nd round pick or a mid-level prospect - a 1st rounder or a top-notch guy are clearly out of the question. However, his relatively small salary (compared to some of the other behemoth contracts) might also make a valuable guy to bundle with a young Leaf player and a bad contract in a major trade.

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Leafs have more then enough in trade bait if they so choose. Both Sundin and Kaberle would bring back very healthy return. Leafs should keep Kaberle and build around him, but if they decided to deal him they would get back a good deal.

Kaberle does not have any of the character needed when you are building a team around anybody. He lacks the heart and he would be the first one out of the boat in terms of what he might fetch and the impact on the future team. IMHO.

Marmoset wrote: I'm mixed on that though, because I can see a top-5 pick slipping away again if they keep that up.

yeah me too. I'm rooting for losses every game

I watched Stamkos the other night, and he hits. I had no idea he hits. Plus he's faster than I thought.

Only time I watched him before, was at the junior tournament, and he really didn't look all that special. But watching him the other night, and I know it's weaker competition and all that, so he's bound to stand out more, but he looked like a 1st overall. We need that guy

Alright here's the thing.

I personally think Kaberle will net you MORE than Sundin. He's entering the prime of his career at 31-32 years old, he's making 4 million per year with 2 years left on his deal, and he's a #1 defenseman which every team salivates for. Teams would have a bidding war for him. So I think we really should be asking for more for him.

Sundin is pretty obvious what you can get, top notch prospects and high draft choices. But remember, he is a rental player. If we traded him last year we could have really demanded more because he had a team option on his contract. But that's not there anymore. The fact is, if a team wants Sundin they're going to have to break the bank to get him, Fletcher will not give him away for nothing.