Sundin refuses to waive no trade clause

[Crowned]

''The Leafs gave me a chance to think about it but as I said, my position hasn't changed since the start of the year.

''I have to do what feels right in my heart. I just don't think I can go to another team if I don't want to play for another team. That wouldn't be right to myself. That's how I feel right now.''

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230373&hubname=


We'll see by Tuesday. I'm confident Cliff can convince him to waive that no trade clause.

[ansoncarter]

he makes it sound like some big heart rending decision....but....he'd only be on the other team for a couple months lol

at least the other no-trade guys have the excuse they'd be stuck with the new team for years

I haven't heard any of the media around TO mention this. He's not exactly being asked for the moon here

[Marmoset]

he makes it sound like some big heart rending decision....but....he'd only be on the other team for a couple months lol

at least the other no-trade guys have the excuse they'd be stuck with the new team for years

I haven't heard any of the media around TO mention this. He's not exactly being asked for the moon here

I don't understand trains of thought like this. The Leafs gave him a no-trade, not the other way around. Yes, it stinks for all of us who want to see a rebuilding project, but Sundin does not owe it to the Leafs to help them rebuild. He's close to retirement and has more than put in his time.

As I keep saying, I'll be disappointed if he doesn't waive the no-trade, but I'll support whatever he decides to do.

Switching back to the article itself, it sounds like the door is still open for something to happen. I still have a gut feeling that he's going to agree to go.

[The-Insider]

Sundin's position hasn't changed since last year and is basically saying all the things that he should be saying. He hasn't completely ruled out a trade. He may genuinely not want to go, but if he is going to go it will matter to him how people perceive him over this.

[ansoncarter]

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I don't understand trains of thought like this. The Leafs gave him a no-trade, not the other way around. Yes, it stinks for all of us who want to see a rebuilding project, but Sundin does not owe it to the Leafs to help them rebuild. He's close to retirement and has more than put in his time.

if he wants to retire a leaf it's probably better to waive it. The new gm likely isn't going to want to sign a 35plus year old to begin with, but especially not one the fans might sour on. Plus he's going to be the same as the fans and question sundin's desire to win. Because if he stays, it sure looks like playing for a cup isn't too high on his list of priorities

I don't see what he has to even think about. All he has to do is suck it up and wear another jersey for 2 months and he gets
-chance to win a cup
-ton of respect from the fans
-glorified by the local media
-no questions about his desire to win
-better legacy as a leaf
-better chance at retiring a leaf (could even pre-arrange something to that affect by waiving it)

that sounds better than skating around for a losing team listening to nightly boos and disappearring off the leafs stage with a whimper

[trellaine201]

LOL well said. If your a true competitor then go to a winning team! how fun can it possibly be for an athlete to play on a LOSING team year after year. Just do it!

[dagger]

I would hope that the Leafs have stopped giving out no-trade clauses as a matter of principle. So, come the off-season, if Sundin is a free-agent and is adament about returning here, he would have to live with that, sign somewhere else - which makes him look like a hypocrite - or retire.

He's practically painted himself into the retirement corner.

[Griff83]

I would hope that the Leafs have stopped giving out no-trade clauses as a matter of principle. So, come the off-season, if Sundin is a free-agent and is adament about returning here, he would have to live with that, sign somewhere else - which makes him look like a hypocrite - or retire.

He's practically painted himself into the retirement corner.

So your saying Mats wont resign with us in the offseason because we might no longer be handing out no trade clause's? The only place's he would sign would be the Leafs or signing a extension with the team who aquires him. If he comes back after being traded he doesnt need a no trade clause as it would be obvious the guy then would be retiring with the Leafs.

I dont see hows he painted himself into the retirement corner at all. The guy can pretty much do what he wants and Toronto fans will be in his corner either way.

[Contract Season]

I agree with Dagger. I think Sundin retires.
Anyways, The Canadian Press just moved this, making it official, Sundin will not be traded:

OTTAWA

[Marmoset]

I think the Leafs should simply not offer him a contract for next season.

If they bring him back, all the other guys probably refuse to move as well, and things go nowhere. Let Mats move on, and then everyone else will sooner rather than later. If I was GM I would have told him this right now at the deadline, for him to consider regarding the no-trade clause. Of course, the problem in real life is that Cliff Fletcher can't do that since he isn't going to be the GM in the future.

A lot of people will probably disagree with me, but I maintain that Sundin has to move on for the organization to move on. What I don't want is for him to resign for two more years and for the holding pattern to continue for 2 more years. Maybe I'm wrong and some of the other guys will decide to go, but I'm skeptical about that.

[Mr. Perfect]

Sundin is being selfish. If he really loved the Leafs so much he would do us this favour and just accept the trade!

The fans are only going to be angry with him now.

[trellaine201]

I am very disappointed as will many Leaf fans. I am speechless.

[thegame10]

You gotta understand his point of view. You asking him to leave a place where he has called home for 13 years. It has been his responsibility to guide this team to success. There has been ups and down but your pretty much telling him if you trade him he has not done his job. In all sense he has done his job buts its management that has dropped the ball. If Sundin wants to stay put in Toronto we should support him, its not sundin

[Griff83]

I agree with Dagger. I think Sundin retires.
Anyways, The Canadian Press just moved this, making it official, Sundin will not be traded:

OTTAWA

[Griff83]

Sundin is being selfish. If he really loved the Leafs so much he would do us this favour and just accept the trade!

The fans are only going to be angry with him now.

You kidding me?

give it two weeks and fans will treat him like a hero that he didnt want to jump ship when times got hard. I gurantee after this innitial shock and fans being pissed at Sundin they will soon forget about it and even hold him in higher regard, at least I will. Did I want him moved to helps this teams future out? Yep , but ive gained a whole lot of respect that hes loyal to this team and will go down with the ship and you wont find that in many professional athletes these days.

[ansoncarter]

I don't care how mats and his agent try to spin this

refusing to do what's best for the team because it suits you is not loyalty

[emfive]

It will be a wake up call for all GM's. NTC and NMC are a here to stay but any one team should not have more than a couple. I cannot believe Kubina and Tucker got these clauses as well. It is not like they took a home discount anyway. It would be better to pay retail price anyway cuz in the long run that would be cheaper.

I have no problem with Sundin's situation and am in the belief that McCabe's contract was the going rate. We will see soon enough that is a good contract after this summer.

In the long run Fletcher did not do his job. He was more concerned about his own legacy. I would have played hardball with Tucker, Kubina and even Kaberle. I would have told them that the team was going a different route and could afford to hang on to two large contract vets and that they would be Sundin and McCabe. I would have told the other three that they would not be playing and that I would be bringing in youngsters from the Marlies right away. From that point on they would not be in the lineup.

I would then have told Kaberle that I would do whatever he wished in terms of trade. If he wished a trade before the deadline I would give them a chance to pick some teams to move to. If he did not wish a trade at that time they could wait till the summer and then the new GM would decide what to do. Kubina and Tucker would get the same choice about a trade but I would point out that the new GM needed their cap space in the summer and that I would be putting them on waivers the day after the deadline. I would also point out that they probably would not be recalled in order for the Leafs to pay half their salaries while they played on another team. I would explain that it was not personal .... just business.

[Griff83]

I don't care how mats and his agent try to spin this

refusing to do what's best for the team because it suits you is not loyalty

If this team and management had any loyalty for him they wouldnt have hired a green gm in Ferguson jr to run this team and accepted putting out terrible team after terrible team season after season. Fans should be mad at management more then Mats, if they had hired experianced and sucessfull management we wouldnt be in this predicament in the first place.

is Mats suppose to waive his no trade clause to make up for all managements screw ups? is that his ressponsibilty?

[ansoncarter]

is Mats suppose to waive his no trade clause to make up for all managements screw ups? is that his ressponsibilty?

no. He's supposed to waive it because it's whats best for the team

he knows he's hurting the leafs by staying. He still chose to stay. Everything else is window-dressing

[whysoserious]

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no. He's supposed to waive it because it's whats best for the team

he knows he's hurting the leafs by staying. He still chose to stay. Everything else is window-dressing

Why is he supposed to do anything? Did they ever truly try and build a winner around him? They are the ones that gave him a no-trade clause, so they already had made the decision that no matter what they were willing to live with it. Sure they didn't expect to be this bad, but realistically - teams don't think the NTC all the way through.

Personally, if I was GM I'd set out the mandate to all agents that no player other than my fanchise player (such as Sundin) will receive a NTC and even then it will be taken very seriously before added to any contract.