Semi-OT: Brian Burke ? Bryan Colangelo. Not even close.

Koosh · Post #1 » by **Koosh** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:15 am

I don't want to jump the gun cause I realize that the Leafs, similar to the Raps, have a lot of new faces and I understand that it takes some time for players to adjust. With that said however, things aren't looking very good for all the puckheads in Toronto. It's almost painful to watch this team and there's been nothing of substance (that I've noticed, anyway) worth getting excited about.

I can't help but think of all the people who kept telling me that Brian Burke was gonna save the Leafs kinda like how Colangelo turned things around in one off-season for the Raps. I'm sorry but you can't compare the two at all. They have the same first name (with different spelling, no less!) but that's about it as far as comparisons go. Sure, they've both had some success in the past but BC is in a league of his own and Burke still has a lot to prove. At this point things don't look too good..

basketball royalty · Post #2 » by **basketball royalty** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:18 am

The difference is the Leafs have gone the rebuilding route, BC has retooled. I'm not a Leafs fan and don't watch hockey but I understand that they are changing things from the ground up and you can't expect much from them right now. Raps on the other hand better get to the second round because they have the talent for it.

Koosh · Post #3 » by **Koosh** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:19 am

If they're rebuilding then someone needs to tell the fans cause they seem to think this team is ready to compete right now.

Brownman06 · Post #4 » by **Brownman06** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:20 am

Also both those GM build their teams differently. Colangelo likes his offensive minded players who can play multiple positions while Burke likes hard nosed (tough guy) defensive minded players. Also BC like European players unlike Burke who only likes American players. lol

But to be fair, I think it is a lot harder to build a hockey team than a basketball team.

Post #5 » by **5DOM** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:21 am

Didn't they trade their first rounder?

Brownman06 · Post #6 » by **Brownman06** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:21 am

basketball royalty wrote:The difference is the Leafs have gone the rebuilding route, BC has retooled. I'm not a Leafs fan and don't watch hockey but I understand that they are changing things from the ground up and you can't expect much from them right now. Raps on the other hand better get to the second round because they have the talent for it.

Sad part is that they traded their future draft picks already for a player who hasn't played a game yet. Bad way to rebuild a team!

t__s · Post #7 » by **t__s** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:23 am

O/U on 15 games the leafs win this year?

Gotta pick the under

Post #8 » by **Shaazzam** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:23 am

Keep the puckhead discussion on the Maple Leaf Board. I come here to get away from them.

Brownman06 · Post #9 » by **Brownman06** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:23 am

5DOM wrote:Didn't they trade their first rounder?

They traded away 2 first rounders (2010 & 2011) and 2nd round pick for 2010 draft. :lol:

whysoserious · Post #10 » by **whysoserious** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:24 am

Brownman06 wrote:Also both those GM build their teams differently. Colangelo likes his offensive minded players who can play multiple positions while Burke likes hard nosed (tough guy) defensive minded players. Also BC like European players unlike Burke who only likes American players. lol

But to be fair, I think it is a lot harder to build a hockey team than a basketball team.

Brian Burke doesn't only like American players. He's stated this over and over again, that his two two lines should have offinsive talent and his bottom two lines should be the so-called grinders. He does favour toughness but not totally at the expense of talent and has had north american players as well as non-north american players on his teams.

Koosh · Post #11 » by **Koosh** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:24 am

Brownman06 wrote:
basketball royalty wrote:The difference is the Leafs have gone the rebuilding route, BC has retooled. I'm not a Leafs fan and don't watch hockey but I understand that they are changing things from the ground up and you can't expect much from them right now. Raps on the other hand better get to the second round because they have the talent for it.

Sad part is that they traded their future draft picks already for a player who hasn't played a game yet. Bad way to rebuild a team!

Exactly what I was thinking. Unless that one guy is gonna make all the difference in the world, Burke might have done more damage long term than anything else.

Koosh · Post #12 » by **Koosh** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:27 am

That's another thing that BC does better. He has made bold moves but he doesn't back himself into a corner to the point where if it doesn't work he's gonna be screwed. I mean we have a lot of financial flexibility and tons of assets that we can move if this group doesn't mesh.

vinsanity09 · Post #13 » by **vinsanity09** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:31 am

it's not so bad, if it continues like this they'll have a nice pick in the draft... oh wait :lol:

Ka5p3r · Post #14 » by **Ka5p3r** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:42 am

BC > EVERY GM ON THIS PLANET!

andreasleo · Post #15 » by **andreasleo** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:43 am

Five games in, and Burke is a horrible GM? You guys are tough...

Mattd97 · Post #16 » by **Mattd97** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:50 am

the difference could also be that burke has a ring and bc doesnt.

(im hating the current leafs and liking the raps, but in all fairness, thats a fairly substantial point you ignored)

Bam-Bam Bigelow · Post #17 » by **Bam-Bam Bigelow** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:52 am

Koosh wrote:That's another thing that BC does better. He has made bold moves but he doesn't back himself into a corner to the point where if it doesn't work he's gonna be screwed. I mean we have a lot of financial flexibility and tons of assets that we can move if this group doesn't mesh.

You're acting like last year didn't happen. When every asset (1st round pick, depth) was traded for JO and it didn't work out. The raps were left with no flexibility until the following off-season.

The leafs are without their best forward, best goalie and best star young player, right now.

Post #18 » by **bryant08** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:52 am

I'd say I loved the moves Burke made on paper, he added some goaltending and loads of defense. It just hasn't worked out so far.

The 2 first rounders being dealt for Phil Kessel could be a huge mistake if this season continues like this. I would say both Colangelo/Burke headed/are heading into this season confident their team would make the playoffs and both made one homerun move this offseason (Kessel/Turkoglu). Although we haven't seen Kessel yet, it's been a really poor start for the Leafs. Hopefully, we won't be talking about the Raptors in the same light.

RockTHECasbah · Post #19 » by **RockTHECasbah** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:52 am

his teams have also been full of talented Swedes and Canadians

and Burke is pretty solid; even if you think the Kessel is already a failure, which it might end up being, good GMs make mistakes once in a while, like the JO trade

Hoop-la · Post #20 » by **Hoop-la** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:54 am

Brownman06 wrote:
5DOM wrote:Didn't they trade their first rounder?

They traded away 2 first rounders (2010 & 2011) and 2nd round pick for 2010 draft.

I don't know why you're even laughing. The trade was a complete steal for the Leafs. They acquired a 22 year old in Phil Kessel who scored 36 goals in around 76 games I believe. YES TWENTY TWO!

They traded unknown commodities for a proven goal scorer who's a few years from his prime. Everyone acts as though they gave away their draft picks for an aging superstar or something. And to add on, the 2010 draft is considered one of the worst drafts of the last decade so the chances of the Bruins drafting a player of Kessel's skillset with those picks are a far shot.

Even with their slow start, the Leafs were predicted by many experts to make the playoffs as a late seed or miss it by a bit. So the picks shouldn't be that high up. Who knows, I may be wrong and the Leafs season ends horrible and they send off high picks or they could play well and give up a mid first rounder next year for a young sniper.