PG: First Loss against a Losing Team. So it Begins....

[ScienceOfLosing]

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doesn't sound like a happy camper. not looking good folks.

We've bungled things with Quick so bad. We signed his replacement in the offseason and then didn't agree on reasonable money. Obi... we regret a little because we didn't get a backup 4. Cam... y'all can have your regrets there. I have none. But this one will bite us hard and I don't think there's a way we get it back on track. Quick is really good and we straight up didn't prioritize him. If we don't trade him for good value, it'll be extra bad.

I thought IQ wasn’t signed, as a lower salary is better for a trade (e.g. so we can dump Fournier)? I don’t see the big deal as we can match any offer. There is no offer we won’t match as he is a great player. I could see a S&T.

If we do end up losing IQ for nothing, the FO is done. He is too great an asset and we have a surplus of players at the G, so i can’t see him being lost for nada.

[Capn'O]

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doesn't sound like a happy camper. not looking good folks.

We've bungled things with Quick so bad. We signed his replacement in the offseason and then didn't agree on reasonable money. Obi... we regret a little because we didn't get a backup 4. Cam... y'all can have your regrets there. I have none. But this one will bite us hard and I don't think there's a way we get it back on track. Quick is really good and we straight up didn't prioritize him. If we don't trade him for good value, it'll be extra bad.

I thought IQ wasn’t signed, as a lower salary is better for a trade (e.g. so we can dump Fournier)? I don’t see the big deal as we can match any offer. There is no offer we won’t match as he is a great player. I could see a S&T.

If we do end up losing IQ for nothing, the FO is done. He is too great an asset and we have a surplus of players at the G, so i can’t see him being lost for nada.

Not the lower salary but it's very difficult to trade players where you've signed an extension but it hasn't kicked in yet. Basically you have to make a trade that works under current and extended salary, which is all but impossible.

I thought we should have extended him and as the numbers come out it really seems like we should have. Imo, he'll be more expensive this summer. He's playing his way into that territory. But I also don't think he'll be happy in this limbo role for much longer when everything is saying his role should be more prominent.

[Knicks Byke]

RJ always making history tho.

[ScienceOfLosing]

We've bungled things with Quick so bad. We signed his replacement in the offseason and then didn't agree on reasonable money. Obi... we regret a little because we didn't get a backup 4. Cam... y'all can have your regrets there. I have none. But this one will bite us hard and I don't think there's a way we get it back on track. Quick is really good and we straight up didn't prioritize him. If we don't trade him for good value, it'll be extra bad.

I thought IQ wasn’t signed, as a lower salary is better for a trade (e.g. so we can dump Fournier)? I don’t see the big deal as we can match any offer. There is no offer we won’t match as he is a great player. I could see a S&T.

If we do end up losing IQ for nothing, the FO is done. He is too great an asset and we have a surplus of players at the G, so i can’t see him being lost for nada.

Not the lower salary but it's very difficult to trade players where you've signed an extension but it hasn't kicked in yet. Basically you have to make a trade that works under current and extended salary, which is all but impossible.

I thought we should have extended him and as the numbers come out it really seems like we should have. Imo, he'll be more expensive this summer. He's playing his way into that territory. But I also don't think he'll be happy in this limbo role for much longer when everything is saying his role should be more prominent.

Thx for the clarification. That is what a Youtube channel had mentioned.

I guess then that we are either trading IQ or one of Jalen’s friends. The roster makes that clear.
Maybe we don’t want his salary coming off the bench but now that Grimes is there, maybe they do start IQ
next year but I think the plan is to move him as a piece for a star.

[HarthorneWingo]

i didnt even know he made history

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RJ single-handedly ruined the entire second quarter for us. There's something wrong with his mind. Just abysmal basketball.

Bad shooting night = something "wrong with his mind"?

One loss and folks stop making any kind of sense.

No, it's his decision making with the ball. He gets tunnel vision and takes his teammates out of the game. No flow. My point stands. And it's not like it's the first time or anything like that. He's shown that he's prone to doing this.

[Clyde_Style]

RJ single-handedly ruined the entire second quarter for us. There's something wrong with his mind. Just abysmal basketball.

Bad shooting night = something "wrong with his mind"?

One loss and folks stop making any kind of sense.

No, it's his decision making with the ball. He gets tunnel vision and takes his teammates out of the game. No flow. My point stands. And it's not like it's the first time or anything like that. He's shown that he's prone to doing this.

I saw him be so creative to start the season only to see him now put on his blinders. Very disappointing

He’s a veteran now so he should know the way to handle his slump is to find other ways to contribute instead of forcing his shots

There’s no excuse for his play last night

[Clyde_Style]

What's up with Grimes? After a stellar performance, he didn't look good on either end.

He was a net 0 or negative every quarter. Finished with a -27 in only 16 minutes.

What's really going on in the Knicks locker room? This team doesn't seem right.

Cloudy with a chance of meatballs

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Mitchell to the Nets seemed obvious, he's always hanging out with Bridges to begin with. As for IQ it should have been very obvious that they had no real plans to bring him back, they gave his money to the other Villanova boys. You can't realistically have your backup PG making as much or more than the starter too.

[Capn'O]

What's up with Grimes? After a stellar performance, he didn't look good on either end.

He was a net 0 or negative every quarter. Finished with a -27 in only 16 minutes.

What's really going on in the Knicks locker room? This team doesn't seem right.

Cloudy with a chance of meatballs

Great book.

[duetta]

Mitchell to the Nets seemed obvious, he's always hanging out with Bridges to begin with. As for IQ it should have been very obvious that they had no real plans to bring him back, they gave his money to the other Villanova boys. You can't realistically have your backup PG making as much or more than the starter too.

If this decision has already been made to not resign IQ, that completely sucks. This Villanova connection is beginning to get on my nerves.

[Iron Mantis]

RJ single-handedly ruined the entire second quarter for us. There's something wrong with his mind. Just abysmal basketball.

Bad shooting night = something "wrong with his mind"?

One loss and folks stop making any kind of sense.

No, it's his decision making with the ball. He gets tunnel vision and takes his teammates out of the game. No flow. My point stands. And it's not like it's the first time or anything like that. He's shown that he's prone to doing this.

Meh. He'll be all right. Just a bad shooting night.

His net rating was -2 in the 2nd quarter, which indicates his minutes that quarter weren't catastrophic as you say, despite his "tunnel vision". Only Donte had a better net rating that quarter.

No idea what Grimes was doing out there but he somehow clocked a -16 in the 2nd.

[HarthorneWingo]

Bad shooting night = something "wrong with his mind"?

One loss and folks stop making any kind of sense.

No, it's his decision making with the ball. He gets tunnel vision and takes his teammates out of the game. No flow. My point stands. And it's not like it's the first time or anything like that. He's shown that he's prone to doing this.

I saw him be so creative to start the season only to see him now put on his blinders. Very disappointing

He’s a veteran now so he should know the way to handle his slump is to find other ways to contribute instead of forcing his shots

There’s no excuse for his play last night

All joking and ribbing aside, I really was happy to see what appeared to be RJ turning the corner but now this. His FTs shooting has definitely improved but that doesn't involve any decision making. His shooting mechanics are also better (hence, the improved FT shooting). But if you not taking good shots, if you're not giving up the ball to your teammates at the right times, etc., it almost makes no difference that his shot is improved. If Brunson, Randle, IQ, Hart or Grimes takes bad shots or makes the wrong play, same result. That's how tough the NBA is today. And they're required to make split second decisions.

With RJ, it's like you can tell when he gets that look in his eyes and you know he's going to plough and spin his way into the lane for either a blocked shot or a turnover.

[HarthorneWingo]

Bad shooting night = something "wrong with his mind"?

One loss and folks stop making any kind of sense.

No, it's his decision making with the ball. He gets tunnel vision and takes his teammates out of the game. No flow. My point stands. And it's not like it's the first time or anything like that. He's shown that he's prone to doing this.

Meh. He'll be all right. Just a bad shooting night.

His net rating was -2 in the 2nd quarter, which indicates his minutes that quarter weren't catastrophic as you say, despite his "tunnel vision". Only Donte had a better net rating that quarter.

No idea what Grimes was doing out there but he somehow clocked a -16 in the 2nd.

Grimes was just getting his wind sprints in. I don't think he saw the ball once thanks to your boy. Like I said, RJ single-handedly ruined the entire 2nd quarter. If Grimes touched the ball once that quarter, I'd be shocked.

We'll just slide that -16 from Grimes's column over into RJ's column, thank you very much!

[HarthorneWingo]

There was one possession, I think it was in the second half. The Knicks were in a half court set. Grimes gets the ball beyond the circle and near the left sideline and quickly looks to the left corner to make a quick pass until he sees RJ standing there. It was like Grimes caught himself before he could make the corner pass and passed it right back to the player who passed it to him. lol He was like, "I ain't giving him the ball no more."

[Iron Mantis]

No, it's his decision making with the ball. He gets tunnel vision and takes his teammates out of the game. No flow. My point stands. And it's not like it's the first time or anything like that. He's shown that he's prone to doing this.

Meh. He'll be all right. Just a bad shooting night.

His net rating was -2 in the 2nd quarter, which indicates his minutes that quarter weren't catastrophic as you say, despite his "tunnel vision". Only Donte had a better net rating that quarter.

No idea what Grimes was doing out there but he somehow clocked a -16 in the 2nd.

Grimes was just getting his wind sprints in. I don't think he saw the ball once thanks to your boy. Like I said, RJ single-handedly ruined the entire 2nd quarter. If Grimes touched the ball once that quarter, I'd be shocked.

We'll just slide that -16 from Grimes's column over into RJ's column, thank you very much!

Mmmm let's just live in reality.

Grimes had 0's all across the board in the 2nd. All stats, advanced and traditional, actually point to Grimes as ruining that quarter. He had a 160 def rating .....but Of course we won't let facts get in the way of narratives.

RJ attempted 5 FG in the 2nd, grabbed 4 boards and had an assist.

RJ's 5 FGA were:

1 missed wide open spot up 3 off of a potential assist by J.Hart

1 missed bad iso fadeaway in the paint.

1 missed fast break dunk off of a pass from Grimes

1 made on-the-move drive for a layup off of an assist by Brunson.

1 missed open spot up 3 off of potential assist by Brunson

He had 1 bad shot, no turnovers, and played defense.... there's no stats, advanced or traditional, to support the idea that he ruined the 2nd quarter. Hate is a powerful drug.


I just deal in truth, facts, and reality.

[HarthorneWingo]

Meh. He'll be all right. Just a bad shooting night.

His net rating was -2 in the 2nd quarter, which indicates his minutes that quarter weren't catastrophic as you say, despite his "tunnel vision". Only Donte had a better net rating that quarter.

No idea what Grimes was doing out there but he somehow clocked a -16 in the 2nd.

Grimes was just getting his wind sprints in. I don't think he saw the ball once thanks to your boy. Like I said, RJ single-handedly ruined the entire 2nd quarter. If Grimes touched the ball once that quarter, I'd be shocked.

We'll just slide that -16 from Grimes's column over into RJ's column, thank you very much!

Mmmm let's just live in reality.

Grimes had 0's all across the board in the 2nd. All stats, advanced and traditional, actually point to Grimes as ruining that quarter. He had a 160 def rating .....but Of course we won't let facts get in the way of narratives.

RJ attempted 5 FG in the 2nd, grabbed 4 boards and had an assist.

RJ's 5 FGA were:

1 missed wide open spot up 3 off of a potential assist by J.Hart

1 missed bad iso fadeaway in the paint.

1 missed fast break dunk off of a pass from Grimes

1 made on-the-move drive for a layup off of an assist by Brunson.

1 missed open spot up 3 off of potential assist by Brunson

He had 1 bad shot, no turnovers, and played defense.... there's no stats, advanced or traditional, to support the idea that he ruined the 2nd quarter. Hate is a powerful drug.


I just deal in truth, facts, and reality.

No one liked your post. I got 2 Likes. I win!

[Iron Mantis]

Grimes was just getting his wind sprints in. I don't think he saw the ball once thanks to your boy. Like I said, RJ single-handedly ruined the entire 2nd quarter. If Grimes touched the ball once that quarter, I'd be shocked.

We'll just slide that -16 from Grimes's column over into RJ's column, thank you very much!

Mmmm let's just live in reality.

Grimes had 0's all across the board in the 2nd. All stats, advanced and traditional, actually point to Grimes as ruining that quarter. He had a 160 def rating .....but Of course we won't let facts get in the way of narratives.

RJ attempted 5 FG in the 2nd, grabbed 4 boards and had an assist.

RJ's 5 FGA were:

1 missed wide open spot up 3 off of a potential assist by J.Hart

1 missed bad iso fadeaway in the paint.

1 missed fast break dunk off of a pass from Grimes

1 made on-the-move drive for a layup off of an assist by Brunson.

1 missed open spot up 3 off of potential assist by Brunson

He had 1 bad shot, no turnovers, and played defense.... there's no stats, advanced or traditional, to support the idea that he ruined the 2nd quarter. Hate is a powerful drug.


I just deal in truth, facts, and reality.

No one liked your post. I got 2 Likes. I win!

The court of public opinion mustn’t be confused with the actual legal system which enables the rendering of a true and just verdict.

The facts and evidence have been considered.

Through due process, in accord with this nations’ laws and statutes, RJ has been found innocent on the charges of 2nd quarter murder.

Case closed

[8516knicks]

No, it's his decision making with the ball. He gets tunnel vision and takes his teammates out of the game. No flow. My point stands. And it's not like it's the first time or anything like that. He's shown that he's prone to doing this.

I saw him be so creative to start the season only to see him now put on his blinders. Very disappointing

He’s a veteran now so he should know the way to handle his slump is to find other ways to contribute instead of forcing his shots

There’s no excuse for his play last night

All joking and ribbing aside, I really was happy to see what appeared to be RJ turning the corner but now this. His FTs shooting has definitely improved but that doesn't involve any decision making. His shooting mechanics are also better (hence, the improved FT shooting). But if you not taking good shots, if you're not giving up the ball to your teammates at the right times, etc., it almost makes no difference that his shot is improved. If Brunson, Randle, IQ, Hart or Grimes takes bad shots or makes the wrong play, same result. That's how tough the NBA is today. And they're required to make split second decisions.

With RJ, it's like you can tell when he gets that look in his eyes and you know he's going to plough and spin his way into the lane for either a blocked shot or a turnover.

Wish I could find that video from earlier this year where another semi-star player's on a Podcast laughing about how (unlike most players) RJ's rep is to keep shooting no matter if he's zero for a ton some nights. If the league knows he's a shameless serial chucker its gotta figure into their D on us.

[HarthorneWingo]

I saw him be so creative to start the season only to see him now put on his blinders. Very disappointing

He’s a veteran now so he should know the way to handle his slump is to find other ways to contribute instead of forcing his shots

There’s no excuse for his play last night

All joking and ribbing aside, I really was happy to see what appeared to be RJ turning the corner but now this. His FTs shooting has definitely improved but that doesn't involve any decision making. His shooting mechanics are also better (hence, the improved FT shooting). But if you not taking good shots, if you're not giving up the ball to your teammates at the right times, etc., it almost makes no difference that his shot is improved. If Brunson, Randle, IQ, Hart or Grimes takes bad shots or makes the wrong play, same result. That's how tough the NBA is today. And they're required to make split second decisions.

With RJ, it's like you can tell when he gets that look in his eyes and you know he's going to plough and spin his way into the lane for either a blocked shot or a turnover.

Wish I could find that video from earlier this year where another semi-star player's on a Podcast laughing about how (unlike most players) RJ's rep is to keep shooting no matter if he's zero for a ton some nights. If the league knows he's a shameless serial chucker its gotta figure into their D on us.

Yeah, that's true. It's Coach K's fault. I've heard RJ tell the story how despite RJ was shooting 4-40 FGs on jumpshots, HE HAD FAITH IN RJ!!!!!! "Keep shooting, RJ. Keep shooting!!!!!!"

Thanks coach.