2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 2

[cgf]

My suspicion is that no one wants Zach Lavine.


When you have a guy that has the 30 or 35% max contract and then the 8% increases it makes them super hard to trade. Look at beal, a lot of people were quite surprised by how little he went for (nothing). and I suspect a very similar thing could happen to Lavine. Maybe the best offer is something like 1frp + salary match, but the point is that when u got a guy making 30% + 8% and he isn't a top 10 player, you're probably in for a rude awakening on his actual value.

and I suspect the exact same thing will happen with Minnesota when they decide that they have to trade KAT for the exact same reasons.

It doesn't help that the Bulls FO reportedly asked for multiple FRPs for Lavine. It's why nobody in Chicago thinks that the FO actually wants to sell anyone. Lavine has been pressuring them to sell him for a year now, so they have to pretend like they're fielding calls, but they set absurd asking prices for all of their guys...2 FRPs for Caruso, multiple FRPs for Lavine, etc.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Anyone continuing to push the Frank Stans narrative looks stupid. Leave me out of these dumb games

Funny how you're the only one here getting so agitated! Exactly how you used to get when someone criticized your guy so what does that tell you? And sorry but you're going to be known as a Frank stan forever and ever and ever.

The people who troll like you're doing now would call someone a stan simply for supporting a player they hated. You don't see me targeting Rob because they love Randle. I say the negative things I've got to say about Randle without targeting another poster in retaliation for disagreeing with me. That concept seems alien to you.

I supported Frank because he was a young Knick with good defense and I hoped he'd turn the corner on offense. He never got good enough to fall in love with, but it was fun to pump up his few good nights when they rarely occurred.

What I fought back against was the idiocy of resident trolls who couldn't live with anyone supporting a player they thought sucked. It takes a really stupid person to latch on to that push back as proof you're a stan which is how infantile minds work. Now you say I was having a period for calling out their trolling. Take your crap and keep it to yourself.

No need to explain! It's not that serious and you're doing too much. Take your loss and move on! Everyone has been dead wrong about a player. Myself included. To let it bother you this much is troubling. Get help and try to have a good day.

[NoLayupRule]

LaVine is a classic old CBA player

big contract
incapable of staying healthy and doing more than the one thing on the floor

sure teams like Miami might take a gamble on him for a win now run or even Philly but hes not seen as worth his contract or worth assets

Id bet the lakers could get him for matching salary but wont

[Clyde_Style]

Funny how you're the only one here getting so agitated! Exactly how you used to get when someone criticized your guy so what does that tell you? And sorry but you're going to be known as a Frank stan forever and ever and ever.

The people who troll like you're doing now would call someone a stan simply for supporting a player they hated. You don't see me targeting Rob because they love Randle. I say the negative things I've got to say about Randle without targeting another poster in retaliation for disagreeing with me. That concept seems alien to you.

I supported Frank because he was a young Knick with good defense and I hoped he'd turn the corner on offense. He never got good enough to fall in love with, but it was fun to pump up his few good nights when they rarely occurred.

What I fought back against was the idiocy of resident trolls who couldn't live with anyone supporting a player they thought sucked. It takes a really stupid person to latch on to that push back as proof you're a stan which is how infantile minds work. Now you say I was having a period for calling out their trolling. Take your crap and keep it to yourself.

No need to explain! It's not that serious and you're doing too much. Take your loss and move on! Everyone has been dead wrong about a player. Myself included. To let it bother you this much is troubling. Get help and try to have a good day.

I've always been honest about a player's trajectory. Which is why the Frank narrative is obnoxious BS. I don't defend a player's failures. I acknowledge them. I always have and I always will. Please take note and yes, let's move on now.

[cgf]

Can't combine Achiuwa with other players in a trade right now but the above could be split into two trades and still work with some filler added by NYK (Like Ryan A.). If it's one protected 1st (DET?) and one 2024 pick (Dallas?) then I would consider it. Murray and Capela help solve our two biggest needs. Sounds like a win-win deal as ATL gets more defensive role-players around Trade and some picks to restock their cupboard.

Wouldn't even need any filler, we would just organize the Achiuwa for Griffin part as a separate trade. Mitch, Grimes, & Fournier would be enough to match for Capela & Murray.

Just seems like bad value. Nobody is offering Atlanta the 2 FRPs they're asking for for Murray, so why give them 2 FRPs AND Grimes? Even if our FO thinks they can fix Murray, there's no need to overpay.

Yes that is the trade idea I posted

We must continue to execute order 66 and like the Knicks executives said and get rid of the softies. street clothes McGee, mr. scared to shoot a ball and the fraudulent frenchman need to be handed their walking papers. For the culcha

The FO knows things I don't and I trust them, so if they did pursue Murray I'd root for it to work out. I'm just saying why overpay? If the reports say that nobody is even offering them 2 FRPs, then fine, offer them our 2 FRPs this spring and call it a day. There's no need to include Grimes or eat Capela's contract when Fournier + picks would already make us the top bid.

[NoLayupRule]

for us I think a player like russell might be interesting

hes got plenty left in the tank and could be the 6th man we need

if we facilitate a trade with LA and CHI Id be willing to take him and give up lesser assets

Rui and D-Russ from LA
Fournier from NY
Lavine from Chi

LA gets Lavine and
NY gets Russell
Chi gets Rui and Fournier

its not a lot for Chi but they get out of the Lavine contract
LA gets a top level scorer which they kinda need more than anything and they can pretend they are favorites again
NY gets a 2nd playmaker and shot taker to help take pressure off Brunson and hes expiring next year. Solid trade asset and roster upgrade

[FrozenEnvelope]

for us I think a player like russell might be interesting

hes got plenty left in the tank and could be the 6th man we need

if we facilitate a trade with LA and CHI Id be willing to take him and give up lesser assets

Rui and D-Russ from LA
Fournier from NY
Lavine from Chi

LA gets Lavine and
NY gets Russell
Chi gets Rui and Fournier

its not a lot for Chi but they get out of the Lavine contract
LA gets a top level scorer which they kinda need more than anything and they can pretend they are favorites again
NY gets a 2nd playmaker and shot taker to help take pressure off Brunson and hes expiring next year. Solid trade asset and roster upgrade

Speaking of stanning for a player, I was a huge DLo stan at Ohio State. Thought he'd be a multiple time All-Star.

His defensive numbers are shockingly good this season. I wouldn't mind him in that trade. He'd be a good 6th man and he's only 27.

[cgf]

LaVine is a classic old CBA player

big contract
incapable of staying healthy and doing more than the one thing on the floor

sure teams like Miami might take a gamble on him for a win now run or even Philly but hes not seen as worth his contract or worth assets

Id bet the lakers could get him for matching salary but wont

Lavine's contract makes him hard to acquire, but people need to stop repeating these myths about his game. Lavine misses just a few more games than Brunson, he's dangerous both on-ball & off-ball, his playmaking is on par with Brundle's, and his defense is just as good as Brunson / Booker / Randle's...even better according to some metrics; IIRC EPM has him as a slight positive defensively.

% games played by year:

2014-15: 94%
2015-16: 100%
2016-17: Torn ACL
2017-18: Recover from torn ACL
2018-19: 77% (sat final 10 games along with other veterans as Bulls looked to secure a higher pick)
2019-20: 92%
2020-21: 80%*
2021-22: 82%*
2022-23: 94%

*He got Covid in both the 2021 & 2022 seasons


The dude is expensive and the Bulls might be even more delusional about their players than the Raptors, but the dude doesn't miss as much time as people pretend. He's not as bad defensively as people like to claim. He's not a ballstopper / ballhog. He's just a 2nd/3rd option who has never gotten to play on a team with someone clearly better than him.