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Re: PG: Knicks almost lose the huge lead, Brunson goes down with an ankle injury, but they win. 

Post#281 » by Capn'O » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:40 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:I would just say - now we don't really have a bench. It's really 6 rotation players and end-of-the-bench, G-League-caliber guys. I find it muddies the conversation a bit. Nevertheless, I think it'd be wise to manage Brunson and iHart in the coming weeks, as we wait for other guys to come back. I think Thibs and the coaching staff need to accept that they'll take some losses in the short term. They shouldn't overreact to it.


For sure. I said it earlier in the thread but last night seemed like a perfect time to give Brown and Toppin some run with Deuce and God knows who else. Maybe Taj and Flynn. See if that group can hold the line for a few. Look at who the Grizz had to run out there.
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Re: PG: Knicks almost lose the huge lead, Brunson goes down with an ankle injury, but they win. 

Post#282 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:43 pm

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Before Mitch got hurt, iHart was playing 20mpg some nights 24 at best. Then he went to 38-40mpg nightly. With a condition that is aggravated by overuse. Now he is hurting again. So there's one simple fact that points to Thibs being a madman. Why wasn't he splitting minutes with anyone else?

Jalen was out for a few games with a leg injury. Thibs plays him 80 minutes in his first two games back. More proof. Breen and Clyde begging Thibs to take Jalen out a few games ago. Hmm. Yeah. The fans here make things up.

RJ tweaking his ankle in a blow out last year is another example of lousy minutes distribution. Countless blow out games Thibs has the starters in to the end. Then the bench guys get a minute of GT? Way to go.

Precious going from 7 mpg to 42 mpg? OG playing 44mpg before he got hurt with an injury caused by overuse?. 6-7 man rotations? Playing 5 guys an entire 2nd half of a game? Hart having jumpers knee and playing 42mpg. Even HE commented about his minutes a week ago.

Anyone denying Thibs is awful at this is high. Stop looking at avgs because like everything else stats related, it doesn't come close to telling the whole story. This was just off the top of my head. He clearly doesn't use the bench enough during the regular season until everyone else gets hurt. Even then he tends to shorten the rotation instead. This cannot be denied. When players and announcers are commenting on it...there's an issue.


it's not a simple fact. but a fair point that hartenstein may struggle with starter's minutes. i've never argued that, but thanks.

i was right there calling thibs a madman in that same game. these are not zero sum discussions. like i said, the situations matter.

precious is young and doesn't have miles or injury concerns that i know of. we literally use him to help eat innings. he's growing in an opportunity that's been presented. i don't think his minutes boost is inappropriate.

the rotations themselves are a very fair point of discussion. if the argument is that he shoud be going 10 deep or even a meaningful 9, fine. in this modern game, that's probably right.

josh hart is exhausted and needs rest. i even read an article about it. i agree with it fully. there are likely adjustments that can be made to address this. but we are also down useful/winning players. this is one of those tough stretches. prior to some of these injuries, some of which maybe can be attributed to overuse, some of which seem preposterous to (contact injuries we watched happen), hart was playing minutes that probably made more sense for him.

6-7-man rotations is one of those not real things. you can be up on your points without the hyperbole. they hurt.

and another fact remains that the mpg argument has been a real one. so to address it is not inappropriate. if the shoe doesn't fit your argument, why take it on? not talking to you then. but you have taken on an anti-thibs persona lately, so everything feels like your issue.

you can keep all the rest of that borderline personal attack if you don't agree with me you must be [x] bs. that's not productive or good faith discussion. it takes away from the validity you could have. we've discussed things like this before.


Oh...right. 7 man rotation. Not six. Point made though.

What's wrong with being high? Sensitive much? Personal attack? Please calm down. I don't wanna get banned!!! :lol: j/k obviously but really?

You basically do agree with me though and this has been my biggest complaint with him. I give him his credit that what we do is ugly but gets results. Doesn't mean I can't have complaints. Some extremely valid and others more emotional bursts. That's a message board. That's a fan.

What are you, high?


not at the moment. and i don't stigmatize getting high.

but no need to throw the stone and hide hands. stand on it. you trying to belittle those who don't agree. that's what i'm drawing attention to.
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Re: PG: Knicks almost lose the huge lead, Brunson goes down with an ankle injury, but they win. 

Post#283 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Feb 7, 2024 8:51 pm

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it's not a simple fact. but a fair point that hartenstein may struggle with starter's minutes. i've never argued that, but thanks.

i was right there calling thibs a madman in that same game. these are not zero sum discussions. like i said, the situations matter.

precious is young and doesn't have miles or injury concerns that i know of. we literally use him to help eat innings. he's growing in an opportunity that's been presented. i don't think his minutes boost is inappropriate.

the rotations themselves are a very fair point of discussion. if the argument is that he shoud be going 10 deep or even a meaningful 9, fine. in this modern game, that's probably right.

josh hart is exhausted and needs rest. i even read an article about it. i agree with it fully. there are likely adjustments that can be made to address this. but we are also down useful/winning players. this is one of those tough stretches. prior to some of these injuries, some of which maybe can be attributed to overuse, some of which seem preposterous to (contact injuries we watched happen), hart was playing minutes that probably made more sense for him.

6-7-man rotations is one of those not real things. you can be up on your points without the hyperbole. they hurt.

and another fact remains that the mpg argument has been a real one. so to address it is not inappropriate. if the shoe doesn't fit your argument, why take it on? not talking to you then. but you have taken on an anti-thibs persona lately, so everything feels like your issue.

you can keep all the rest of that borderline personal attack if you don't agree with me you must be [x] bs. that's not productive or good faith discussion. it takes away from the validity you could have. we've discussed things like this before.


Oh...right. 7 man rotation. Not six. Point made though.

What's wrong with being high? Sensitive much? Personal attack? Please calm down. I don't wanna get banned!!! :lol: j/k obviously but really?

You basically do agree with me though and this has been my biggest complaint with him. I give him his credit that what we do is ugly but gets results. Doesn't mean I can't have complaints. Some extremely valid and others more emotional bursts. That's a message board. That's a fan.

What are you, high?


not at the moment. and i don't stigmatize getting high.

but no need to throw the stone and hide hands. stand on it. you trying to belittle those who don't agree. that's what i'm drawing attention to.


What? It's better than saying they are FOS isn't it? It is IRRELEVANT to the actual points made. Are you really picking through a fact/example laden post and looking for the joke as of it's an insult to people? Micromod to the rescue?

Calm down man. It's not serious at all. If you are looking for a fight we can step outside right now bro! :lol: Like, WTF man.

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Re: PG: Knicks almost lose the huge lead, Brunson goes down with an ankle injury, but they win. 

Post#284 » by K_ick_God » Wed Feb 7, 2024 9:18 pm

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KnicksGod wrote:On this subject, perhaps, RJ is in and out of the Raptors' lineup


Sorry thought you were talking about IQs finishing and mid range jumper


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Re: PG: Knicks almost lose the huge lead, Brunson goes down with an ankle injury, but they win. 

Post#285 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Feb 7, 2024 9:35 pm

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Oh...right. 7 man rotation. Not six. Point made though.

What's wrong with being high? Sensitive much? Personal attack? Please calm down. I don't wanna get banned!!! :lol: j/k obviously but really?

You basically do agree with me though and this has been my biggest complaint with him. I give him his credit that what we do is ugly but gets results. Doesn't mean I can't have complaints. Some extremely valid and others more emotional bursts. That's a message board. That's a fan.

What are you, high?


not at the moment. and i don't stigmatize getting high.

but no need to throw the stone and hide hands. stand on it. you trying to belittle those who don't agree. that's what i'm drawing attention to.


What? It's better than saying they are FOS isn't it? It is IRRELEVANT to the actual points made. Are you really picking through a fact/example laden post and looking for the joke as of it's an insult to people? Micromod to the rescue?

Calm down man. It's not serious at all. If you are looking for a fight we can step outside right now bro! :lol: Like, WTF man.

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Enough derailing!!! :o

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Re: PG: Knicks almost lose the huge lead, Brunson goes down with an ankle injury, but they win. 

Post#286 » by The Lamma » Wed Feb 7, 2024 9:52 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:I would just say - now we don't really have a bench. It's really 6 rotation players and end-of-the-bench, G-League-caliber guys. I find it muddies the conversation a bit. Nevertheless, I think it'd be wise to manage Brunson and iHart in the coming weeks, as we wait for other guys to come back. I think Thibs and the coaching staff need to accept that they'll take some losses in the short term. They shouldn't overreact to it.


For sure. I said it earlier in the thread but last night seemed like a perfect time to give Brown and Toppin some run with Deuce and God knows who else. Maybe Taj and Flynn. See if that group can hold the line for a few. Look at who the Grizz had to run out there.


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Re: PG: Knicks almost lose the huge lead, Brunson goes down with an ankle injury, but they win. 

Post#287 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Feb 7, 2024 9:54 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
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Jeff Van Gully wrote:
not at the moment. and i don't stigmatize getting high.

but no need to throw the stone and hide hands. stand on it. you trying to belittle those who don't agree. that's what i'm drawing attention to.


What? It's better than saying they are FOS isn't it? It is IRRELEVANT to the actual points made. Are you really picking through a fact/example laden post and looking for the joke as of it's an insult to people? Micromod to the rescue?

Calm down man. It's not serious at all. If you are looking for a fight we can step outside right now bro! :lol: Like, WTF man.

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Enough derailing!!! :o

:lol:

Your whole style:

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No. Facts don't derail threads. 8-) This BS does. :o

Thibs does insane things with minutes and short rotations. Period.
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Post#288 » by stuporman » Wed Feb 7, 2024 10:14 pm

Who had Taj guarding Rose on the perimeter on their bingo card for the game? You can mark it off...
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Re: PG: Knicks almost lose the huge lead, Brunson goes down with an ankle injury, but they win. 

Post#289 » by stuporman » Wed Feb 7, 2024 10:16 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:I would just say - now we don't really have a bench. It's really 6 rotation players and end-of-the-bench, G-League-caliber guys. I find it muddies the conversation a bit. Nevertheless, I think it'd be wise to manage Brunson and iHart in the coming weeks, as we wait for other guys to come back. I think Thibs and the coaching staff need to accept that they'll take some losses in the short term. They shouldn't overreact to it.


For sure. I said it earlier in the thread but last night seemed like a perfect time to give Brown and Toppin some run with Deuce and God knows who else. Maybe Taj and Flynn. See if that group can hold the line for a few. Look at who the Grizz had to run out there.


At some point, lesser much fresher players will outperform superior players that are gassed

A Ford Pinto with a full tank of gas will take you further than a Ferrari that is running on empty


Terrible analogy....because a Pinto will explode before the Ferrari runs out of gas...check mate. :lol:
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Post#290 » by The Lamma » Wed Feb 7, 2024 10:23 pm

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For sure. I said it earlier in the thread but last night seemed like a perfect time to give Brown and Toppin some run with Deuce and God knows who else. Maybe Taj and Flynn. See if that group can hold the line for a few. Look at who the Grizz had to run out there.


At some point, lesser much fresher players will outperform superior players that are gassed

A Ford Pinto with a full tank of gas will take you further than a Ferrari that is running on empty


Terrible analogy....because a Pinto will explode before the Ferrari runs out of gas...check mate. :lol:


That was quite a distinction with those thangs.

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Post#291 » by Fat Kat » Wed Feb 7, 2024 10:37 pm

Just listened to the putback with Popper and Begley. They said that the Knicks don’t practice anymore so that the players can rest. Take that for what it’s worth
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Post#292 » by robillionaire » Wed Feb 7, 2024 11:24 pm

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9 straight threes taking no more than 12 seconds per possession? (60-48=12) . If you think the Grizz can do that, why is their home record 5-18?


I’m just telling you what actually did happen they made 9 3s in the last 9 minutes of the game plus 2s and free throws they cut a 26 point lead to 4 this is what actually happened and you think taking 24 second violations on every possession stops this? Is this actually a serious suggestion? Any coach who intentionally takes 24 second violations with 9 minutes left in a game should be fired during the game. The owner should call a timeout and send them home in a cab


So if a coach could win a game but elects to follow a strategy that loses the game instead, that is preferable to winning? Have you never seen an NFL game where Coaches routinely run out the clock to win?


But we did win and this isn’t the nfl so the comparison is pretty wild it’s not even the same sport
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Post#293 » by stuporman » Wed Feb 7, 2024 11:42 pm

Fat Kat wrote:Just listened to the putback with Popper and Begley. They said that the Knicks don’t practice anymore so that the players can rest. Take that for what it’s worth


Practice? We talkin about practice? :lol:
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Post#294 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Feb 7, 2024 11:44 pm

Fat Kat wrote:Just listened to the putback with Popper and Begley. They said that the Knicks don’t practice anymore so that the players can rest. Take that for what it’s worth


Wow. :lol:
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Post#295 » by 8516knicks » Wed Feb 7, 2024 11:47 pm

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I’m just telling you what actually did happen they made 9 3s in the last 9 minutes of the game plus 2s and free throws they cut a 26 point lead to 4 this is what actually happened and you think taking 24 second violations on every possession stops this? Is this actually a serious suggestion? Any coach who intentionally takes 24 second violations with 9 minutes left in a game should be fired during the game. The owner should call a timeout and send them home in a cab


So if a coach could win a game but elects to follow a strategy that loses the game instead, that is preferable to winning? Have you never seen an NFL game where Coaches routinely run out the clock to win?


But we did win and this isn’t the nfl so the comparison is pretty wild it’s not even the same sport


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Post#296 » by robillionaire » Wed Feb 7, 2024 11:50 pm

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So if a coach could win a game but elects to follow a strategy that loses the game instead, that is preferable to winning? Have you never seen an NFL game where Coaches routinely run out the clock to win?


But we did win and this isn’t the nfl so the comparison is pretty wild it’s not even the same sport


Chillax.


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Post#297 » by 8516knicks » Thu Feb 8, 2024 12:06 am

robillionaire wrote:
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But we did win and this isn’t the nfl so the comparison is pretty wild it’s not even the same sport


Chillax.


I’m pretty chillaxed I’m making a pizza


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Post#298 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Feb 8, 2024 1:57 am

robillionaire wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
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But we did win and this isn’t the nfl so the comparison is pretty wild it’s not even the same sport


Chillax.


I’m pretty chillaxed I’m making a pizza


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Post#299 » by K_ick_God » Thu Feb 8, 2024 3:31 am

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Forget the injuries for a second. A reason the game was even close was because our team was gassed going against 10 hungry players with fresh legs.

It would have been a perfect game to play Toppin or anyone else....else what's even the point if the 4 or 5 guys left on them bench can't even get in a game against a G-league roster? 7 man rotation + Taj is not a good look


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