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[mpharris36]

If we move Mitch we need to find a suitable defensive minded center that can bang. I don't think we get by the sixers without Mitch's minutes. He was carving up ihart all series.

His health is a major concern...and also after we invest long term with OG...and with thibs as our coach we need to invest in some depth (maybe more so than most teams).

Can I interest you in a Zach Edey?

I think he will take a bit too long to develop. Imagine him trying to guard the P&R...he's got stone feet.

[Knicksfan1992]

If we move Mitch we need to find a suitable defensive minded center that can bang. I don't think we get by the sixers without Mitch's minutes. He was carving up ihart all series.

His health is a major concern...and also after we invest long term with OG...and with thibs as our coach we need to invest in some depth (maybe more so than most teams).

Can I interest you in a Zach Edey?

I think he will take a bit too long to develop. Imagine him trying to guard the P&R...he's got stone feet.

Yeah I initially was out on Edey because of those kinds of glaring weaknesses but I'm starting to warm up to him a bit specifically for the Knicks and Thibs. Maybe in Sims spot for a year or 2 to develop. I could see him transitioning into a Brook Lopez type over time. Worth a late 1st flier IMO.

My guess is if they move Mitch they'll commit to Precious /Sims situationally at the 5 to start the year and then look for a Gafford type move at the deadline. Kind of like how they treated the backup 4 last year after they sent Obi packing.

[KnixinSix]

Bobby Marks was on with CP.... think the biggest thing Marks said was Bojan is basically useless as a contract once OG and Ihart are signed and the draft picks are used...

Basically reiterating the Knicks have to make a move if they want to before OG and Ihart become official..

Knicks can wait to make them official to buy them some time to use Bojan, if he agrees to push back the guarantee date..

Another thing, they basically have to make a decision on trading Mitch BEFORE coming to an agreement with Ihart, now he is CAA so that should help..

Next 3 weeks are going to be interesting. Its likely going to heat up quickly right after finals.

[KnixinSix]

Going off the main rumors we've heard so far...

Mitchell Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard (Kennard has actually ball handled and played point for Memphis)

McBride, Bogdanovic and 9th pick, 24th pick this year and 1-2 additional FRPs for Markenen

Randle, Achiwa , rights to Rokas and 1-2FRPs for Bridges

Minutes rough distribution....
IHart(30), Markenen(15), Sims(3)
Markenen(18), OG(30)
Bridges(15), OG(5), Hart(28)
Divo(27), Bridges(18), Hart (3)
Brunson(33), Kennard(15)

Salaries:
Markenen 18M
Bridges 24M
OG on an escalating contract 33-35M first year
IHart 22M first year on escalating contract
Brunson 25M
Hart 18M
Donte 11M
Kennard 15M

166M total

Love to see an NBA executive poll to see in what world they would trade Randle, 2 other players, and picks for Bridges.

ngl this team is worse than the one we have now imo.. it’s just reshuffling the deck to reshuffle it

THat's borderline insane if you think this team is not significantly better.

Bridges is a two way player who plays excellent defense , fits this system extremely well and adds significant height when playing the 2 spot.

Markenen is an elite shooter with great height and adds an element we have been missing, a great shooting frontcourt big that can complement and add better spacing for Brunson.

The roster construction is markedly better, more versatile and complementary.

Arguing it may not happen is one thing and thats fine because trades a lo have to go right for them to happen. But that team is considerably better.

[SuperflyKnick]

Going off the main rumors we've heard so far...


Mitchell Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard (Kennard has actually ball handled and played point for Memphis)

McBride, Bogdanovic and 9th pick, 24th pick this year and 1-2 additional FRPs for Markenen

Randle, Achiwa , rights to Rokas and 1-2FRPs for Bridges

Minutes rough distribution....
IHart(30), Markenen(15), Sims(3)
Markenen(18), OG(30)
Bridges(15), OG(5), Hart(28)
Divo(27), Bridges(18), Hart (3)
Brunson(33), Kennard(15)

Salaries:
Markenen 18M
Bridges 24M
OG on an escalating contract 33-35M first year
IHart 22M first year on escalating contract
Brunson 25M
Hart 18M
Donte 11M
Kennard 15M

166M total

Why are we trading Randle a better player with assets attached to get bridges ??? And you lost all credibility when your listing OG as a backup and thus paying him $35 mil a year off the bench ???

[mpharris36]

Can I interest you in a Zach Edey?

I think he will take a bit too long to develop. Imagine him trying to guard the P&R...he's got stone feet.

Yeah I initially was out on Edey because of those kinds of glaring weaknesses but I'm starting to warm up to him a bit specifically for the Knicks and Thibs. Maybe in Sims spot for a year or 2 to develop. I could see him transitioning into a Brook Lopez type over time. Worth a late 1st flier IMO.

My guess is if they move Mitch they'll commit to Precious /Sims situationally at the 5 to start the year and then look for a Gafford type move at the deadline. Kind of like how they treated the backup 4 last year after they sent Obi packing.

thats fair...knicks need to nuke the Sims experiment...dude is buns! All he can do is jump high but does nothing else well. He's a dummy.

[Synciere]

If we go over the 2nd tax apron. I think there is a possibility we go over the 2nd arpon if we resign OG and Ihart to large deals and keep everyone else.

cap is $144 mil tax is $172 mil, first apron is $178, second apron is $188

6 players who are guaranteed for next season make $103, add in $54mil for OG + ihart, lets say that 8 players make $157

with bogs($19), precious ($6), draft picks #25/#26 ($6), that's 12 players making $188
fill out the roster and you easily end up over the 2nd apron.

I still believe we can find a way to not waive Bojan and still keep us out of the second apron.

I think we may trade FRPs in a deal using Bojan as a filler.

Another option is trading the FRPs for future FRPs or second rounds.

An alternative is to trade Mitch Robinson for a cheaper backup Center.

I think we may let Precious walk if we can not have him for the minimum (with a promise of a higher contract with bird rights in 2025).

We also can get some red-shirt rookies to complete the roster earning the rookie minimum (1,160M)

Basically it’s if we keep every single player and pick we’re over the second apron. Mind you, iHart might leave for greener pastures and we don’t have to think of it. For that matter the same could happen to OG. Then we don’t have to keep Precious at 6 million. That alone brings us below the line. And you know we’re currently looking to move our picks. If I were a betting man I’d say there’s something like a 1/10 chance we end up over that second apron as currently constructed.

[Synciere]

I think he will take a bit too long to develop. Imagine him trying to guard the P&R...he's got stone feet.

Yeah I initially was out on Edey because of those kinds of glaring weaknesses but I'm starting to warm up to him a bit specifically for the Knicks and Thibs. Maybe in Sims spot for a year or 2 to develop. I could see him transitioning into a Brook Lopez type over time. Worth a late 1st flier IMO.

My guess is if they move Mitch they'll commit to Precious /Sims situationally at the 5 to start the year and then look for a Gafford type move at the deadline. Kind of like how they treated the backup 4 last year after they sent Obi packing.

thats fair...knicks need to nuke the Sims experiment...dude is buns! All he can do is jump high but does nothing else well. He's a dummy.

Damn! He’s basically a fifth big lol..

[mpharris36]

Yeah I initially was out on Edey because of those kinds of glaring weaknesses but I'm starting to warm up to him a bit specifically for the Knicks and Thibs. Maybe in Sims spot for a year or 2 to develop. I could see him transitioning into a Brook Lopez type over time. Worth a late 1st flier IMO.

My guess is if they move Mitch they'll commit to Precious /Sims situationally at the 5 to start the year and then look for a Gafford type move at the deadline. Kind of like how they treated the backup 4 last year after they sent Obi packing.

thats fair...knicks need to nuke the Sims experiment...dude is buns! All he can do is jump high but does nothing else well. He's a dummy.

Damn! He’s basically a fifth big lol..

ihart and mitch with as much as they bang never seem to be healthy. Especially with the way Thibs coaches.

I think it would be nice to get another young big in the fold. We have seen a lot of young active bigs come into the league through the draft and have a pretty nice impact.

[Synciere]

Going off the main rumors we've heard so far...


Mitchell Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard (Kennard has actually ball handled and played point for Memphis)

McBride, Bogdanovic and 9th pick, 24th pick this year and 1-2 additional FRPs for Markenen

Randle, Achiwa , rights to Rokas and 1-2FRPs for Bridges

Minutes rough distribution....
IHart(30), Markenen(15), Sims(3)
Markenen(18), OG(30)
Bridges(15), OG(5), Hart(28)
Divo(27), Bridges(18), Hart (3)
Brunson(33), Kennard(15)

Salaries:
Markenen 18M
Bridges 24M
OG on an escalating contract 33-35M first year
IHart 22M first year on escalating contract
Brunson 25M
Hart 18M
Donte 11M
Kennard 15M

166M total

Why are we trading Randle a better player with assets attached to get bridges ??? And you lost all credibility when your listing OG as a backup and thus paying him $35 mil a year off the bench ???

You have to be gentle with Knicks fans when it comes to picks. We’re not used to having extra. After two decades of giving away picks in trades for flawed players and watching other teams draft cornerstones and franchise players with our picks, now that we have assets it’s like giving a 12 year old ten dollars. Knicks fans just throw the picks in even when they don’t have to. Luckily this front office seems to have some sense.

[Knicksfan1992]

cap is $144 mil tax is $172 mil, first apron is $178, second apron is $188

6 players who are guaranteed for next season make $103, add in $54mil for OG + ihart, lets say that 8 players make $157

with bogs($19), precious ($6), draft picks #25/#26 ($6), that's 12 players making $188
fill out the roster and you easily end up over the 2nd apron.

I still believe we can find a way to not waive Bojan and still keep us out of the second apron.

I think we may trade FRPs in a deal using Bojan as a filler.

Another option is trading the FRPs for future FRPs or second rounds.

An alternative is to trade Mitch Robinson for a cheaper backup Center.

I think we may let Precious walk if we can not have him for the minimum (with a promise of a higher contract with bird rights in 2025).

We also can get some red-shirt rookies to complete the roster earning the rookie minimum (1,160M)

Basically it’s if we keep every single player and pick we’re over the second apron. Mind you, iHart might leave for greener pastures and we don’t have to think of it. For that matter the same could happen to OG. Then we don’t have to keep Precious at 6 million. That alone brings us below the line. And you know we’re currently looking to move our picks. If I were a betting man I’d say there’s something like a 1/10 chance we end up over that second apron as currently constructed.

It's unlikely to happen because OG doesn't seem like the type to push his bag over 1 more year and extend his next chance to hit the market... BUT him doing what Hart did last year and opting in to this year and then extending after that would avoid a lot of our complications

[Synciere]

thats fair...knicks need to nuke the Sims experiment...dude is buns! All he can do is jump high but does nothing else well. He's a dummy.

Damn! He’s basically a fifth big lol..

ihart and mitch with as much as they bang never seem to be healthy. Especially with the way Thibs coaches.

I think it would be nice to get another young big in the fold. We have seen a lot of young active bigs come into the league through the draft and have a pretty nice impact.

True, but even then we have Randle and OG who both play PF well, plus Previous. Sims will always be the LAST big lol. I think what we do with our draft picks will give a big hint into iHarts future. If we draft a big it could mean they know something about him in free agency.

[DOT]

thats fair...knicks need to nuke the Sims experiment...dude is buns! All he can do is jump high but does nothing else well. He's a dummy.

Damn! He’s basically a fifth big lol..

ihart and mitch with as much as they bang never seem to be healthy. Especially with the way Thibs coaches.

I think it would be nice to get another young big in the fold. We have seen a lot of young active bigs come into the league through the draft and have a pretty nice impact.

I think the positive is, if we have everyone healthy and re-sign at least IHart, we don't really have any major holes for next year

Brunson/McBride
DDV/
OG/Hart
Randle/Bogdanovic
IHart/Mitch

If we pick up Jeffires, Sims, and Diakite, that's 12 guys, 9 man rotation. The only real hole would be backup PG (I just don't think Deuce is good enough as a PG to run the offense when Brunson sits), and then obviously you want a 3rd C because Mitch is always injured. Say we can get Rokas over, that just means we need an insurance big in the draft, which you can 100% find in the late 1st

Of course it's not guaranteed they're good, but still. If we're not trading for a big name, the least we could do is shore up potential holes before they open up rather than not addressing them and then having them be a problem later on with no way to fix them.

[Jeffrey]

Lets say it's Randle for Lauri or Bridges... why are we attaching so many picks like he is Tobias Harris. Randle was performing at All-Star level until that freak injury. The disrespect around the NBA, media and fans on Randle is ridiculous.

1. He is a 2x All-NBA player
2. He is averages 25/10
3. He is a willing passer
4. His contract is at a great value especially this offseason where teams need to start to make hard decisions about the aprons

So again... why do we have to drop multiple FRPs and assets?!

[mpharris36]

Damn! He’s basically a fifth big lol..

ihart and mitch with as much as they bang never seem to be healthy. Especially with the way Thibs coaches.

I think it would be nice to get another young big in the fold. We have seen a lot of young active bigs come into the league through the draft and have a pretty nice impact.

True, but even then we have Randle and OG who both play PF well, plus Previous. Sims will always be the LAST big lol. I think what we do with our draft picks will give a big hint into iHarts future. If we draft a big it could mean they know something about him in free agency.

Its unlikely for the long term future we are paying both our centers a combined over 30 MM. So my guess either way it wouldn't hurt to get a developmental big that has some skillset as insurance. Obviously if we hold onto our picks.

For draft purposes I would be looking for 3/D guys and active bigs.

[DaGawd]

The Houston Rockets have discussed trading the third overall pick in the 2024 NBA Draft with both the Brooklyn Nets and Memphis Grizzlies.

The Rockets' target in trade talks with the Nets is Mikal Bridges. However, Brooklyn is seeking players to add around Bridges in any deals they make.

yeah bridges isn’t happening yall

[Synciere]

Also MSG is currently airing the Knicks Jazz game from earlier this year. Markkenen is a nice player, but he’s being treated like a franchise player in some of these trade proposals and he’s not that. Also, on this team he’s basically be a third option at best, as opposed to the numbers he’s put up as Utahs first option. The juice won’t be worth the squeeze.

[douggood]

I still believe we can find a way to not waive Bojan and still keep us out of the second apron.

I think we may trade FRPs in a deal using Bojan as a filler.

Another option is trading the FRPs for future FRPs or second rounds.

An alternative is to trade Mitch Robinson for a cheaper backup Center.

I think we may let Precious walk if we can not have him for the minimum (with a promise of a higher contract with bird rights in 2025).

We also can get some red-shirt rookies to complete the roster earning the rookie minimum (1,160M)

Basically it’s if we keep every single player and pick we’re over the second apron. Mind you, iHart might leave for greener pastures and we don’t have to think of it. For that matter the same could happen to OG. Then we don’t have to keep Precious at 6 million. That alone brings us below the line. And you know we’re currently looking to move our picks. If I were a betting man I’d say there’s something like a 1/10 chance we end up over that second apron as currently constructed.

It's unlikely to happen because OG doesn't seem like the type to push his bag over 1 more year and extend his next chance to hit the market... BUT him doing what Hart did last year and opting in to this year and then extending after that would avoid a lot of our complications

josh hart decision was something like opt in and extend 5 year 94 mil. ($19aav) or opt out and sign for 4 year 81 mil($20aav)

og decision is opt in and extend 5 year 140 mil ($28aav) or opt out and and get 4 year $140(if not more) $35 aav

[dakomish23]

Knicks forum legend Keith Smith

https://youtu.be/

Watch on YouTube

?si=MGYG2VV1S5sjjbKU

32 min mark they dive into Hartenstein

[KnixinSix]

Lets say it's Randle for Lauri or Bridges... why are we attaching so many picks like he is Tobias Harris. Randle was performing at All-Star level until that freak injury. The disrespect around the NBA, media and fans on Randle is ridiculous.

1. He is a 2x All-NBA player
2. He is averages 25/10
3. He is a willing passer
4. His contract is at a great value especially this offseason where teams need to start to make hard decisions about the aprons

So again... why do we have to drop multiple FRPs and assets?!

Agreed!