Post game : the **** mid continues...

[Clyde_Style]

I would guess we're actively looking at trades for:

DRose
Cam
IQ
Hart
Toppin
Fournier

As Rhodey insinuated, DRose and Cam (also IQ) are the most likely to be easily moved for value.

That is the trade list though if anyone really wanted either Randle or RJ I think they'd listen

I'm wondering if IQ's recent strong play will make him a more valuable trade piece in their eyes or more likely to be kept. Wondering if his agent wants a trade because he knows he won't start, because I can see the value in keeping him as our sixth man.

The "listen" list should be everyone except Brunson and maybe Grimes.

I think they are the two who won't be in talks.

Also, I doubt there are many options out there to replace Mitch though so he might be safe. I know some folks say big men are easy to find, but I beg to differ. I value Mitch as much for his very defined role as some may minimize him for it.

He really does seal the interior many games and lately we've been seeing how quite a few clubs don't have anyone to match up to him and then he dominates them on the boards. Probably due to the league emphasizing the three point game so much, but Mitch does give us an edge against quite a few teams already.

[Clyde_Style]

I think ideally you start both alongside Brunson. That makes you small on the wings, but they've shown more commitment on defense anyway. Not that it's going to happen. I sort of like Grimes but I don't think he's proven more than IQ has. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day.

Oh not what I expected. So you'd bring RJ off the bench to do that. Well it certainly would be a better defensive first unit with both of them. If you could get Randle to play like he did two years ago Brunson would be the only weak link defensively.

As a Grimestan I think he'll end up better in the long run, but I think IQ is playing pretty well lately. The issue for all of them is their long ball. Nobody on the squad is particularly good from deep this year. YET. I think both Grimes and IQ can improve their 3% over the course of the season. I'd like to see Deuce achieve that too if he's going to get minutes now.

Yes I would do that because - while they're not hitting jumpshots either - at least they are playing defense. And with Brunson in the line-up, the team doesn't need an aggressive driver playing alongside him, especially since the efficiency doesn't justify it.

The Knicks have been horrible from 3, including Grimes and IQ. I'm a bit worried about Grimes because his FT% - traditionally a pretty strong predictor for 3-point shooting - has always been mediocre. With IQ, the FT% is there, and he clearly can hit pull-up 3s, but the C&S numbers are worrying (26.6% this year, 32.7% last year, but 46.7% as a rookie). They suggest an off-ball role might not be best for him, and is he good enough to be an on-ball player as a starter? I don't think so at this stage.

Of all our young players, Grimes probably fits a starter's archetype the most. But if he can't hit his 3s, that point is moot. We just have too many flawed players at the end of the day.

I think Grimes will be fine as a shooter. He has barely gotten into a groove yet. He's already showing penetration and superior finishing skills. He has been putting on some John Starks moves in his increasing forays to the rim so he may become a multi-faceted scorer. Dude has thick legs with more juice in them than I thought. He can catch some air and do over and under moves with actual skill (basically what we've been wanting RJ to do).

But most all I think Grimes is the best glue guy already. He just knows what to do the ball most of the time. Add in a little seasoning, some aggression and repetitions on his jumper and he should get to what you'd want from him as a starter. I think he should start so he gets those reps.

[TheGreenArrow]

That is the trade list though if anyone really wanted either Randle or RJ I think they'd listen

I'm wondering if IQ's recent strong play will make him a more valuable trade piece in their eyes or more likely to be kept. Wondering if his agent wants a trade because he knows he won't start, because I can see the value in keeping him as our sixth man.

The "listen" list should be everyone except Brunson and maybe Grimes.

I think they are the two who won't be in talks.

Also, I doubt there are many options out there to replace Mitch though so he might be safe. I know some folks say big men are easy to find, but I beg to differ. I value Mitch as much for his very defined role as some may minimize him for it.

He really does seal the interior many games and lately we've been seeing how quite a few clubs don't have anyone to match up to him and then he dominates them on the boards. Probably due to the league emphasizing the three point game so much, but Mitch does give us an edge against quite a few teams already.

Rightfully so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brunson and Grimes and (possibly) duece and sims are the only keeper’s that can contribute to a winning team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[moocow007]

This front office isn't about to do a 180. So I would expect that they will make another attempt to trade for a top 10-15 player. In that regard I doubt anyone would be safe (as it should be IF the goal is to do whatever it takes to win now). Safest would probably be Brunson, especially since he appears to be the biggest positive influence for this team to even be where it is now AND because they basically traded away a lottery pick to be able to sign him. But I would expect that they would prefer to keep everyone in their current starting lineup. The give would likely be either Randle or Barrett if that's needed to land one of those top tier players. Who would be more desirable for another team? Honestly? I would think Randle would be. Had the Knicks not foolishly extended Barrett he'd definitely be more valuable but with that contract extension making RJ potentially the higher paid player? Both guys have their warts (especially on the defensive end) but IMO Julius Randle is significantly more talented than Barrett and I don't think there's much more of a ceiling with Barrett from a talent standpoint.

[Clyde_Style]

The "listen" list should be everyone except Brunson and maybe Grimes.

I think they are the two who won't be in talks.

Also, I doubt there are many options out there to replace Mitch though so he might be safe. I know some folks say big men are easy to find, but I beg to differ. I value Mitch as much for his very defined role as some may minimize him for it.

He really does seal the interior many games and lately we've been seeing how quite a few clubs don't have anyone to match up to him and then he dominates them on the boards. Probably due to the league emphasizing the three point game so much, but Mitch does give us an edge against quite a few teams already.

Rightfully so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brunson and Grimes and (possibly) duece and sims are the only keeper’s that can contribute to a winning team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this is how it begins .......

"On December 6, 2022 The Deuce Fan Club!!!!!!!!!!!!!! was formed by a Knicks fan that goes by the moniker of Green Arrow ......"

[Clyde_Style]

This front office isn't about to do a 180. So I would expect that they will make another attempt to trade for a top 10-15 player. In that regard I doubt anyone would be safe (as it should be IF the goal is to do whatever it takes to win now). Safest would probably be Brunson, especially since he appears to be the biggest positive influence for this team to even be where it is now AND because they basically traded away a lottery pick to be able to sign him. But I would expect that they would prefer to keep everyone in their current starting lineup. The give would likely be either Randle or Barrett if that's needed to land one of those top tier players. Who would be more desirable for another team? Honestly? I would think Randle would be. Had the Knicks not foolishly extended Barrett he'd definitely be more valuable but with that contract extension making RJ potentially the higher paid player? Both guys have their warts (especially on the defensive end) but IMO Julius Randle is significantly more talented than Barrett and I don't think there's much more of a ceiling with Barrett from a talent standpoint.

I've seen stats here ranking Randle among the worst players in the league, but he's had a handful of good games (on offense) lately.

If clubs do their due diligence though and they watch the tapes they'll see him standing around the basket with his hands down watching guys drive right past him to score. He is an embarrassment on defense right now. Even RJ tries (most of the time) though his defense has gotten worse this year as well. But Randle? Dude really DGAF about playing D any more.

So the only way he gets traded is (a) somebody didn't do their homework or (b) they don't care about his defense and just want a big guy who can do some scoring for them

[Chanel Bomber]

Oh not what I expected. So you'd bring RJ off the bench to do that. Well it certainly would be a better defensive first unit with both of them. If you could get Randle to play like he did two years ago Brunson would be the only weak link defensively.

As a Grimestan I think he'll end up better in the long run, but I think IQ is playing pretty well lately. The issue for all of them is their long ball. Nobody on the squad is particularly good from deep this year. YET. I think both Grimes and IQ can improve their 3% over the course of the season. I'd like to see Deuce achieve that too if he's going to get minutes now.

Yes I would do that because - while they're not hitting jumpshots either - at least they are playing defense. And with Brunson in the line-up, the team doesn't need an aggressive driver playing alongside him, especially since the efficiency doesn't justify it.

The Knicks have been horrible from 3, including Grimes and IQ. I'm a bit worried about Grimes because his FT% - traditionally a pretty strong predictor for 3-point shooting - has always been mediocre. With IQ, the FT% is there, and he clearly can hit pull-up 3s, but the C&S numbers are worrying (26.6% this year, 32.7% last year, but 46.7% as a rookie). They suggest an off-ball role might not be best for him, and is he good enough to be an on-ball player as a starter? I don't think so at this stage.

Of all our young players, Grimes probably fits a starter's archetype the most. But if he can't hit his 3s, that point is moot. We just have too many flawed players at the end of the day.

I think Grimes will be fine as a shooter. He has barely gotten into a groove yet. He's already showing penetration and superior finishing skills. He has been putting on some John Starks moves in his increasing forays to the rim so he may become a multi-faceted scorer. Dude has thick legs with more juice in them than I thought. He can catch some air and do over and under moves with actual skill (basically what we've been wanting RJ to do).

But most all I think Grimes is the best glue guy already. He just knows what to do the ball most of the time. Add in a little seasoning, some aggression and repetitions on his jumper and he should get to what you'd want from him as a starter. I think he should start so he gets those reps.

Him not forcing the issue for the most part is definitely a quality. He also has a better natural handle than RJ, for instance, which you hope is something he can build on, as he expands his skill set. But he needs to make shots.

The sample size is still quite small for a second-year player, and he's dealt with injuries, so I'm willing to cut him some slack and re-evaluate him later in the season. I didn't expect too much from a late first-round pick anyway. But it'd be nice to know we have at least one starter next to Brunson. I need to see more to be confident in that. But there are some things to like about his profile.

[bearadonisdna]

You might want to get used to Mitch. After Brunson, he is the least likely player to be moved in a trade. It doesn't matter if you like him or not. He is not going anywhere

Well get used to sucking
Because any team building around him as a player is working backwards.
It doesn’t matter if I like him ,
He has historically been a tank commander which is why the team needs to move on .
ASAP

I'm loving this pattern of u being wrong on just about everything we discuss

Mitch
Grimes
Sims
Deuce

Claimed Isiah would overtake Mitch as a starter like it was EVER going to happen or if it actually made us a better team in any sense.

Called Grimes a G-leaguer
Called Sims a G-leaguer
Called Deuce a G-leaguer

Nooootorious! spit yo claim, talk yo ish, grab yo L cause a fit!

Ok dog I told you what it was


It took one of the luckiest Knicks wins in modern history , for you to try come at me like this . Well it was 1 game I’m bout to put you back in your place.

You ain’t been right on really nothing this season .
1. As you can recall I never asked for Mitch to be bench . But he was minimized to a point where Hart was taking most his minutes AND being more productive.
Hart even won the little Center poll you made .
So you straight up holding that L.

2. Grimes continuously starting out there with 8.3 PER. Which actually would be insulting to a G-league player .
In Knicks signature victory had 4 points in 40 minutes on 25%.

3. Sims a gleaguer.
That man fresh out the gleague . OUT of the 9 man rotation collecting Dnps. Hold that L.

4. Deuce a gleaguer.
That man fresh out the gleague. Not even good enough to play his position . O points yesterday .
So many DNPs can’t even count.

[KnixtapeH20]

Well get used to sucking
Because any team building around him as a player is working backwards.
It doesn’t matter if I like him ,
He has historically been a tank commander which is why the team needs to move on .
ASAP

I'm loving this pattern of u being wrong on just about everything we discuss

Mitch
Grimes
Sims
Deuce

Claimed Isiah would overtake Mitch as a starter like it was EVER going to happen or if it actually made us a better team in any sense.

Called Grimes a G-leaguer
Called Sims a G-leaguer
Called Deuce a G-leaguer

Nooootorious! spit yo claim, talk yo ish, grab yo L cause a fit!

Ok dog I told you what it was


It took one of the luckiest Knicks wins in modern history , for you to try come at me like this . Well it was 1 game I’m bout to put you back in your place.

You ain’t been right on really nothing this season .
1. As you can recall I never asked for Mitch to be bench . But he was minimized to a point where Hart was taking most his minutes AND being more productive.
Hart even won the little Center poll you made .
So you straight up holding that L.

2. Grimes continuously starting out there with 8.3 PER. Which actually would be insulting to a G-league player .
In Knicks signature victory had 4 points in 40 minutes on 25%.

3. Sims a gleaguer.
That man fresh out the gleague . OUT of the 9 man rotation collecting Dnps. Hold that L.

4. Deuce a gleaguer.
That man fresh out the gleague. Not even good enough to play his position . O points yesterday .
So many DNPs can’t even count.

LMAOOO imma give u a and1 for the gif


Wins/losses has nothing to do w my stances. U can't judge these players based on wins n losses when there's no fit on this team w Randle or Thibs

Who gives a **** about PER look at the eye test Grimes is going to be a STUD period. Wait till his conditioning gets better after the break he's going to be a problem as a two way player.

Your boy Thibs BENCHED Isiah for Sims, Sims made him look correct on that front n now there's talk Isiah might be shopped at the deadline. So nah that L all u n Thibs homie


Deuce the best on ball defender on the team I been touting it since last season, Thibs finally starting to give him minutes n this is a "defensive coach" ....


I been right about Mitch, Grimes, Obi, Deuce, Sims.. The only thing I haven't been right about so far was RJ. Obi still not being given a real opportunity or put in the right situations so I'm not even gona go there

[Clyde_Style]

The hockey GIF is pretty funny

[bearadonisdna]

I'm loving this pattern of u being wrong on just about everything we discuss

Mitch
Grimes
Sims
Deuce

Claimed Isiah would overtake Mitch as a starter like it was EVER going to happen or if it actually made us a better team in any sense.

Called Grimes a G-leaguer
Called Sims a G-leaguer
Called Deuce a G-leaguer

Nooootorious! spit yo claim, talk yo ish, grab yo L cause a fit!

Ok dog I told you what it was


It took one of the luckiest Knicks wins in modern history , for you to try come at me like this . Well it was 1 game I’m bout to put you back in your place.

You ain’t been right on really nothing this season .
1. As you can recall I never asked for Mitch to be bench . But he was minimized to a point where Hart was taking most his minutes AND being more productive.
Hart even won the little Center poll you made .
So you straight up holding that L.

2. Grimes continuously starting out there with 8.3 PER. Which actually would be insulting to a G-league player .
In Knicks signature victory had 4 points in 40 minutes on 25%.

3. Sims a gleaguer.
That man fresh out the gleague . OUT of the 9 man rotation collecting Dnps. Hold that L.

4. Deuce a gleaguer.
That man fresh out the gleague. Not even good enough to play his position . O points yesterday .
So many DNPs can’t even count.

LMAOOO imma give u a and1 for the gif


Wins/losses has nothing to do w my stances. U can't judge these players based on wins n losses when there's no fit on this team w Randle or Thibs

Who gives a **** about PER look at the eye test Grimes is going to be a STUD period. Wait till his conditioning gets better after the break he's going to be a problem as a two way player.

Your boy Thibs BENCHED Isiah for Sims, Sims made him look correct on that front n now there's talk Isiah might be shopped at the deadline. So nah that L all u n Thibs homie


Deuce the best on ball defender on the team I been touting it since last season, Thibs finally starting to give him minutes n this is a "defensive coach" ....


I been right about Mitch, Grimes, Obi, Deuce, Sims.. The only thing I haven't been right about so far was RJ. Obi still not being given a real opportunity or put in the right situations so I'm not even gona go there

There’s the disconnect .
You celebrate losses as if they are wins.
You whole evaluation process is skewed because you don’t even know if your players production produces wins.

Wins are how normal fans root for their team.
If you live in bizarro land where bad is good,
Then maybe you are right.

[KnixtapeH20]

Ok dog I told you what it was


It took one of the luckiest Knicks wins in modern history , for you to try come at me like this . Well it was 1 game I’m bout to put you back in your place.

You ain’t been right on really nothing this season .
1. As you can recall I never asked for Mitch to be bench . But he was minimized to a point where Hart was taking most his minutes AND being more productive.
Hart even won the little Center poll you made .
So you straight up holding that L.

2. Grimes continuously starting out there with 8.3 PER. Which actually would be insulting to a G-league player .
In Knicks signature victory had 4 points in 40 minutes on 25%.

3. Sims a gleaguer.
That man fresh out the gleague . OUT of the 9 man rotation collecting Dnps. Hold that L.

4. Deuce a gleaguer.
That man fresh out the gleague. Not even good enough to play his position . O points yesterday .
So many DNPs can’t even count.

LMAOOO imma give u a and1 for the gif


Wins/losses has nothing to do w my stances. U can't judge these players based on wins n losses when there's no fit on this team w Randle or Thibs

Who gives a **** about PER look at the eye test Grimes is going to be a STUD period. Wait till his conditioning gets better after the break he's going to be a problem as a two way player.

Your boy Thibs BENCHED Isiah for Sims, Sims made him look correct on that front n now there's talk Isiah might be shopped at the deadline. So nah that L all u n Thibs homie


Deuce the best on ball defender on the team I been touting it since last season, Thibs finally starting to give him minutes n this is a "defensive coach" ....


I been right about Mitch, Grimes, Obi, Deuce, Sims.. The only thing I haven't been right about so far was RJ. Obi still not being given a real opportunity or put in the right situations so I'm not even gona go there

There’s the disconnect .
You celebrate losses as if they are wins.
You whole evaluation process is skewed because you don’t even know if your players production produces wins.

Wins are how normal fans root for their team.
If you live in bizarro land where bad is good,
Then maybe you are right.

Yea right now my ****, u think I like not being able to root for wins. It sucks it feels ****. If I want this coach sent to the grave I need to root for losses. Until then this team won't develop players properly, get the most of our asset management or be able to see what we actually have bc all players do is stand on the corners n watch Randle try to be Kobe

So tired of all of it

But I can still see who is helping n who is not. I been telling yall since last season Grimes is gona be a Klay Thompson clone n mad ppl laughed.

I been right about a lot of points on this team, more right than wrong. Just need RJ to turn it around now

[KnicksNext]

Jesus

that escalated quickly

[NYKat]

Why is this playing out publicly?

I dunno man, I just saw a comment about an character being attractive and made a funny response to it pointing out that said character is technically underage

I thought we were all gonna have a laugh about it, but I guess I shouldn't have said anything.

I mean… I had a laugh about it

[HarthorneWingo]

Jesus

No.

Well damn.

[HarthorneWingo]

YOU ARE THE ONLY MOD ON THIS BOARD WHO HOLDS GRUDGES AND HARASSES BOARD MEMBERS

This is true.

[Iron Mantis]

How's that a foul. Clarkson just plowing into defenders and falling

[Galvationknicks]

How's that a foul. Clarkson just plowing into defenders and falling

F this Mid team lol
Knicks will continue to be mid until new years. I just traveled to the past to make this post