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[TerrenceClarke]

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wouldn't hurt to have another QB in the draft to evaluate.

this is bs.

its pandering cause the giants have the 3rd pick.

if the giants had the 5th pick the quote would read top 5.


most people that like Allar think 3 would be way to for him.

all that could be true...not saying it is or isn't but who am I to judge...I thought Bo Nix went a lot higher then I would have taken him...thought he was a Round 2 QB. But he has proven otherwise. Penix I also didn't peg for a top 10 pick but he showed promise late in the season so ATL and DEN certainly could be right about "reaching" at the time.

Not saying our evaluation process should be good with Schoen and Daboll making the call but he's 20 years old and he has measurables and strong arm. I have said before he's a tougher evaluation than Ward and Sanders because he simply isn't asked to do the same for his offense and they have a greater track record. They have a great o-line but they basically have no legit WR either.

I just assumed he was always staying in school because he was young and more raw. But we will be picking some kind of QB whether thats in round 1 or later...probably have to pair the young QB with a vet as well because this winning mandate Mara has which seems like it will be a disaster.

a reach at 12 is not a reach at 3 tho (nix). At reach at 8 is not the same reach at 3 (penix)

Giants dont have the balls to trade down. So if Ward or SS is there at 3. They picking him.

Also Nix and Penix are on the older side for QBs.

Both were like 4 years older than him entering... so while they came in more ready that people thought. They also both was on the older end of QBs entering the draft.

Not sure a QB can come in this late and validate a top 3 pick. Espically when the majority of his college career was underwhelming.


If Ward or SS fails people can live with it. Allar Fails? and its Daniel Jones all over again cause people will be like why did you pick him so high, when most dont think he is that level.

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Milroe is probably going to shoot up once the combine starts

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The big issue and of course its been mentioned, is we shouldnt be having our GM and coach on the hot seat being responsible for selecting our QB of the future....especially when its likely they are both gone, and we wont have any idea what this QB can do. Plus I doubt anyone really trusts Schoen to reach for a QB. Being on the hot seat, I am not sure if he even would make that type of pick.

Its just a messed up situation that wont end well.

[TerrenceClarke]

The big issue and of course its been mentioned, is we shouldnt be having our GM and coach on the hot seat being responsible for selecting our QB of the future....especially when its likely they are both gone, and we wont have any idea what this QB can do. Plus I doubt anyone really trusts Schoen to reach for a QB. Being on the hot seat, I am not sure if he even would make that type of pick.

Its just a messed up situation that wont end well.

A hot seat GM will def make the safer pick at QB vs the risky one. Which is why I dont see Allar being in play. Allar can be that dude, but at 3 ....is asking alot for a hot seat GM.


Ward or SS busts and its like "well it didnt work out". It happens....

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wouldn't hurt to have another QB in the draft to evaluate.

this is bs.

its pandering cause the giants have the 3rd pick.

if the giants had the 5th pick the quote would read top 5.


most people that like Allar think 3 would be way to for him.

all that could be true...not saying it is or isn't but who am I to judge...I thought Bo Nix went a lot higher then I would have taken him...thought he was a Round 2 QB. But he has proven otherwise. Penix I also didn't peg for a top 10 pick but he showed promise late in the season so ATL and DEN certainly could be right about "reaching" at the time.

Not saying our evaluation process should be good with Schoen and Daboll making the call but he's 20 years old and he has measurables and strong arm. I have said before he's a tougher evaluation than Ward and Sanders because he simply isn't asked to do the same for his offense and they have a greater track record. They have a great o-line but they basically have no legit WR either.

I just assumed he was always staying in school because he was young and more raw. But we will be picking some kind of QB whether thats in round 1 or later...probably have to pair the young QB with a vet as well because this winning mandate Mara has which seems like it will be a disaster.

their TE is expected to be a 1st round pick so in combination with a great o-line, he's had enough to be successful imo

he's just like jalen milroe, another project that could take a year or 2 to develop

the chart below is interesting though. it shows that they weren't really manufacturing easy completions and offense for him, and they've been asking him to run a normal offense

[mpharris36]

this is bs.

its pandering cause the giants have the 3rd pick.

if the giants had the 5th pick the quote would read top 5.


most people that like Allar think 3 would be way to for him.

all that could be true...not saying it is or isn't but who am I to judge...I thought Bo Nix went a lot higher then I would have taken him...thought he was a Round 2 QB. But he has proven otherwise. Penix I also didn't peg for a top 10 pick but he showed promise late in the season so ATL and DEN certainly could be right about "reaching" at the time.

Not saying our evaluation process should be good with Schoen and Daboll making the call but he's 20 years old and he has measurables and strong arm. I have said before he's a tougher evaluation than Ward and Sanders because he simply isn't asked to do the same for his offense and they have a greater track record. They have a great o-line but they basically have no legit WR either.

I just assumed he was always staying in school because he was young and more raw. But we will be picking some kind of QB whether thats in round 1 or later...probably have to pair the young QB with a vet as well because this winning mandate Mara has which seems like it will be a disaster.

a reach at 12 is not a reach at 3 tho (nix). At reach at 8 is not the same reach at 3 (penix)

Giants dont have the balls to trade down. So if Ward or SS is there at 3. They picking him.

Also Nix and Penix are on the older side for QBs.

Both were like 4 years older than him entering... so while they came in more ready that people thought. They also both was on the older end of QBs entering the draft.

Not sure a QB can come in this late and validate a top 3 pick. Espically when the majority of his college career was underwhelming.


If Ward or SS fails people can live with it. Allar Fails? and its Daniel Jones all over again cause people will be like why did you pick him so high, when most dont think he is that level.

Oh I wholeheartedly agree...picking 3rd and say 12th its different risk factor. But this is the world we live in with a GM and HC on the hot seat. They are going to sell a QB to the owner and fanbase somehow...they are in job survival mode.

At this point we just have to assume Schoen and Daboll are going to take a risk because if they fail they are gone anyway.

The only thing I will say is Allar is def more of a project. He's 20 years old. So he doesn't have the seasoning or same trajectory as sa a Nix who was 24 or Sanders/Ward who are older prospects as well. So they in theory should be more refined and thats why Allar was always projected to probably stay another year.

But in theory if the Giants like his skill set and think they can develop him behind a vet QB I wouldn't rule it out. Again not saying I agree I'm just pointing out that is why he's kinda came out of nowhere because he is a younger prospect.

I'm also not saying pick Allar over either Ward or Sanders I'm saying there is a scenario right now that both Ward and Sanders will be off the board...and in that scenario I still think this regime is going to have to sell a QB to the owner...not saying I agree but that is the unfortunate world we live in. Mara in his press conference said getting the QB of the future is the #1 priority...they kinda aren't hiding it at this point.

[mpharris36]

The big issue and of course its been mentioned, is we shouldnt be having our GM and coach on the hot seat being responsible for selecting our QB of the future....especially when its likely they are both gone, and we wont have any idea what this QB can do. Plus I doubt anyone really trusts Schoen to reach for a QB. Being on the hot seat, I am not sure if he even would make that type of pick.

Its just a messed up situation that wont end well.

A hot seat GM will def make the safer pick at QB vs the risky one. Which is why I dont see Allar being in play. Allar can be that dude, but at 3 ....is asking alot for a hot seat GM.


Ward or SS busts and its like "well it didnt work out". It happens....

yeah but he's fired in either situation regardless.

They probably bring in a vet QB to start anyway because Mara said they need to win next year. So whoever they are drafting probably doesn't start right away.

Our schedule is absolutely brutal.

The whole situation is backwards...because they are letting the GM/HC pick the QB...but if we aren't good they are going to be fired and now a new GM is going to not have his pick of QB he basically has to use whoever the past regime evaluated and picked.

And thats how Mara is going to select his GM...whoever says hey I can make it work with this young QB that I didn't pick even if its not the best GM candidate it will be the one to placate to him.

[mpharris36]

this is bs.

its pandering cause the giants have the 3rd pick.

if the giants had the 5th pick the quote would read top 5.


most people that like Allar think 3 would be way to for him.

all that could be true...not saying it is or isn't but who am I to judge...I thought Bo Nix went a lot higher then I would have taken him...thought he was a Round 2 QB. But he has proven otherwise. Penix I also didn't peg for a top 10 pick but he showed promise late in the season so ATL and DEN certainly could be right about "reaching" at the time.

Not saying our evaluation process should be good with Schoen and Daboll making the call but he's 20 years old and he has measurables and strong arm. I have said before he's a tougher evaluation than Ward and Sanders because he simply isn't asked to do the same for his offense and they have a greater track record. They have a great o-line but they basically have no legit WR either.

I just assumed he was always staying in school because he was young and more raw. But we will be picking some kind of QB whether thats in round 1 or later...probably have to pair the young QB with a vet as well because this winning mandate Mara has which seems like it will be a disaster.

their TE is expected to be a 1st round pick so in combination with a great o-line, he's had enough to be successful imo

he's just like jalen milroe, another project that could take a year or 2 to develop

the chart below is interesting though. it shows that they weren't really manufacturing easy completions and offense for him, and they've been asking him to run a normal offense

Yes his TE is very good..and there oline and running game is very good. He is in a pro style offense which is good, not living off RPO type stuff. But he certainly hasn't been asked to carry the offense like some older QBs.

Recently whether its the Oregon game or the Boise State game he has made some throws where you like this kid has a lot of talent. Is that a risk worth taking...he has more reps to put on tape in the playoffs which should help if he's coming out or not.

[GONYK]

FWIW

Schoen, despite some financial flexibility (an estimated $54 million on a $272.5 million cap for 2025) said he won’t mortgage the future for a quick fix.

“I would never do that. I understand we’re going to build this thing the right way. I’m not going to do a Hail Mary for self-preservation or anything like that,” Schoen said. “We have a plan in place that we believe in and we’re going to stick with that. Again, I’ve got a tremendous amount of respect for ownership and what they believe in. We have really good communication with them. They understand where we are and where we’re trying to go. There will be no Hail Mary’s.”

Does Schoen believe he and coach Brian Daboll are under a “make the playoffs or else?” mandate from ownership?

“No. Again, we’ve got to continue to build it the right way. If we have a really good roster and you get close and… I think John (Mara) said it to you guys earlier, it’s about progress. We’re at three wins. We didn’t make progress in the direction we wanted to this year and it’s not good enough. It starts with me and I understand that,” Schoen said. “But, to have an ultimatum, ‘You make the playoffs or you don’t,’ that changes things. But, that’s not it. John believes in the people in the building and Steve [Tisch] and they’re giving us the ability to build it the right way.”

Drafting a QB is a 3 yr commitment. Maybe Mara has given them more rope than we think.

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all that could be true...not saying it is or isn't but who am I to judge...I thought Bo Nix went a lot higher then I would have taken him...thought he was a Round 2 QB. But he has proven otherwise. Penix I also didn't peg for a top 10 pick but he showed promise late in the season so ATL and DEN certainly could be right about "reaching" at the time.

Not saying our evaluation process should be good with Schoen and Daboll making the call but he's 20 years old and he has measurables and strong arm. I have said before he's a tougher evaluation than Ward and Sanders because he simply isn't asked to do the same for his offense and they have a greater track record. They have a great o-line but they basically have no legit WR either.

I just assumed he was always staying in school because he was young and more raw. But we will be picking some kind of QB whether thats in round 1 or later...probably have to pair the young QB with a vet as well because this winning mandate Mara has which seems like it will be a disaster.

their TE is expected to be a 1st round pick so in combination with a great o-line, he's had enough to be successful imo

he's just like jalen milroe, another project that could take a year or 2 to develop

the chart below is interesting though. it shows that they weren't really manufacturing easy completions and offense for him, and they've been asking him to run a normal offense

Yes his TE is very good..and there oline and running game is very good. He is in a pro style offense which is good, not living off RPO type stuff. But he certainly hasn't been asked to carry the offense like some older QBs.

Recently whether its the Oregon game or the Boise State game he has made some throws where you like this kid has a lot of talent. Is that a risk worth taking...he has more reps to put on tape in the playoffs which should help if he's coming out or not.

if drew allar didn't have josh allen size, i don't think he gets looked at this way.

josh allen has been getting a lot of big, athletic, strong arm QBs with weak accuracy and processors drafted high these days and most of them ain't working out. it's too big of a risk and i'd think he needs at least half a season or more to just sit behind a vet QB

[mpharris36]

FWIW

Schoen, despite some financial flexibility (an estimated $54 million on a $272.5 million cap for 2025) said he won’t mortgage the future for a quick fix.

“I would never do that. I understand we’re going to build this thing the right way. I’m not going to do a Hail Mary for self-preservation or anything like that,” Schoen said. “We have a plan in place that we believe in and we’re going to stick with that. Again, I’ve got a tremendous amount of respect for ownership and what they believe in. We have really good communication with them. They understand where we are and where we’re trying to go. There will be no Hail Mary’s.”

Drafting a QB is a 3 yr commitment. Maybe Mara has given them more rope than we think.

In theory that is what Mara should have done...be damn the outside noise if you believe in them give them time. But he didn't really do that in his pressure. He basically said he doesn't have much patience left and they need to win now.

So its backwards. He could have said f the fans...I believe in these guys and we are going to build this with them and at least I could live with that.

He's like playing a dangerous game putting a winning mandate on a team that really isn't ready to win.

[TerrenceClarke]

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Schoen, despite some financial flexibility (an estimated $54 million on a $272.5 million cap for 2025) said he won’t mortgage the future for a quick fix.

“I would never do that. I understand we’re going to build this thing the right way. I’m not going to do a Hail Mary for self-preservation or anything like that,” Schoen said. “We have a plan in place that we believe in and we’re going to stick with that. Again, I’ve got a tremendous amount of respect for ownership and what they believe in. We have really good communication with them. They understand where we are and where we’re trying to go. There will be no Hail Mary’s.”

Does Schoen believe he and coach Brian Daboll are under a “make the playoffs or else?” mandate from ownership?

“No. Again, we’ve got to continue to build it the right way. If we have a really good roster and you get close and… I think John (Mara) said it to you guys earlier, it’s about progress. We’re at three wins. We didn’t make progress in the direction we wanted to this year and it’s not good enough. It starts with me and I understand that,” Schoen said. “But, to have an ultimatum, ‘You make the playoffs or you don’t,’ that changes things. But, that’s not it. John believes in the people in the building and Steve [Tisch] and they’re giving us the ability to build it the right way.”

Drafting a QB is a 3 yr commitment. Maybe Mara has given them more rope than we think.

I agree based on this comment.

If they are above 500 next year. They will stay.

[mpharris36]

their TE is expected to be a 1st round pick so in combination with a great o-line, he's had enough to be successful imo

he's just like jalen milroe, another project that could take a year or 2 to develop

the chart below is interesting though. it shows that they weren't really manufacturing easy completions and offense for him, and they've been asking him to run a normal offense

Yes his TE is very good..and there oline and running game is very good. He is in a pro style offense which is good, not living off RPO type stuff. But he certainly hasn't been asked to carry the offense like some older QBs.

Recently whether its the Oregon game or the Boise State game he has made some throws where you like this kid has a lot of talent. Is that a risk worth taking...he has more reps to put on tape in the playoffs which should help if he's coming out or not.

if drew allar didn't have josh allen size, i don't think he gets looked at this way.

josh allen has been getting a lot of big, athletic, strong arm QBs with weak accuracy and processors drafted high these days and most of them ain't working out. it's too big of a risk and i'd think he needs at least half a season or more to just sit behind a vet QB

Honestly I'm fine with him sitting half the year if he's the right guy. Mahomes sat, Rodgers sat. Just get the right kid in here.

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some of the throws he's made recently are really eye popping impressive. Like you said he has tentalizing size and arm stregth. Does he have it between the ears though....he has some decent mobility. So yes you certainly can get wrapped up in the Allen measurables talk. But sometimes you have to take shots.

As long as your not mortgaging future picks you can continue to take shots at QB if it doesn't work. I have just come to the realization the org is going to pick a QB...they will also sign a vet QB as well. Just depends if they have a pick at a top QB or will they have to go more developmental route later.

[mpharris36]

FWIW

Schoen, despite some financial flexibility (an estimated $54 million on a $272.5 million cap for 2025) said he won’t mortgage the future for a quick fix.

“I would never do that. I understand we’re going to build this thing the right way. I’m not going to do a Hail Mary for self-preservation or anything like that,” Schoen said. “We have a plan in place that we believe in and we’re going to stick with that. Again, I’ve got a tremendous amount of respect for ownership and what they believe in. We have really good communication with them. They understand where we are and where we’re trying to go. There will be no Hail Mary’s.”

Does Schoen believe he and coach Brian Daboll are under a “make the playoffs or else?” mandate from ownership?

“No. Again, we’ve got to continue to build it the right way. If we have a really good roster and you get close and… I think John (Mara) said it to you guys earlier, it’s about progress. We’re at three wins. We didn’t make progress in the direction we wanted to this year and it’s not good enough. It starts with me and I understand that,” Schoen said. “But, to have an ultimatum, ‘You make the playoffs or you don’t,’ that changes things. But, that’s not it. John believes in the people in the building and Steve [Tisch] and they’re giving us the ability to build it the right way.”

Drafting a QB is a 3 yr commitment. Maybe Mara has given them more rope than we think.

I agree based on this comment.

If they are above 500 next year. They will stay.

Agreed I just see no way with that schedule they sniff .500...that home schedule is beyond brutal.

I think there pathway to staying is show the team is competitive and improving and hopefully whatever young QB they draft starts playing at the end of the year and he shows signs of being good...that will probably be enough to keep there job even if the record isn't there.

[mpharris36]

FWIW

Schoen, despite some financial flexibility (an estimated $54 million on a $272.5 million cap for 2025) said he won’t mortgage the future for a quick fix.

“I would never do that. I understand we’re going to build this thing the right way. I’m not going to do a Hail Mary for self-preservation or anything like that,” Schoen said. “We have a plan in place that we believe in and we’re going to stick with that. Again, I’ve got a tremendous amount of respect for ownership and what they believe in. We have really good communication with them. They understand where we are and where we’re trying to go. There will be no Hail Mary’s.”

Does Schoen believe he and coach Brian Daboll are under a “make the playoffs or else?” mandate from ownership?

“No. Again, we’ve got to continue to build it the right way. If we have a really good roster and you get close and… I think John (Mara) said it to you guys earlier, it’s about progress. We’re at three wins. We didn’t make progress in the direction we wanted to this year and it’s not good enough. It starts with me and I understand that,” Schoen said. “But, to have an ultimatum, ‘You make the playoffs or you don’t,’ that changes things. But, that’s not it. John believes in the people in the building and Steve [Tisch] and they’re giving us the ability to build it the right way.”

Drafting a QB is a 3 yr commitment. Maybe Mara has given them more rope than we think.

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Mara got killed on ESPN and rightfully so because his pressure had a bunch of mix messages in it.

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Yes his TE is very good..and there oline and running game is very good. He is in a pro style offense which is good, not living off RPO type stuff. But he certainly hasn't been asked to carry the offense like some older QBs.

Recently whether its the Oregon game or the Boise State game he has made some throws where you like this kid has a lot of talent. Is that a risk worth taking...he has more reps to put on tape in the playoffs which should help if he's coming out or not.

if drew allar didn't have josh allen size, i don't think he gets looked at this way.

josh allen has been getting a lot of big, athletic, strong arm QBs with weak accuracy and processors drafted high these days and most of them ain't working out. it's too big of a risk and i'd think he needs at least half a season or more to just sit behind a vet QB

Honestly I'm fine with him sitting half the year if he's the right guy. Mahomes sat, Rodgers sat. Just get the right kid in here.

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some of the throws he's made recently are really eye popping impressive. Like you said he has tentalizing size and arm stregth. Does he have it between the ears though....he has some decent mobility. So yes you certainly can get wrapped up in the Allen measurables talk. But sometimes you have to take shots.

As long as your not mortgaging future picks you can continue to take shots at QB if it doesn't work. I have just come to the realization the org is going to pick a QB...they will also sign a vet QB as well. Just depends if they have a pick at a top QB or will they have to go more developmental route later.

i understand the flash throws but let's not forget who made the best throw in the NFL this season.

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consistency in making these throws is much more important than making a crazy throw once in a while which is where drew allar is at. i get that he can develop it but none of these josh allen types have been making it. crazy risky

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if drew allar didn't have josh allen size, i don't think he gets looked at this way.

josh allen has been getting a lot of big, athletic, strong arm QBs with weak accuracy and processors drafted high these days and most of them ain't working out. it's too big of a risk and i'd think he needs at least half a season or more to just sit behind a vet QB

Honestly I'm fine with him sitting half the year if he's the right guy. Mahomes sat, Rodgers sat. Just get the right kid in here.

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some of the throws he's made recently are really eye popping impressive. Like you said he has tentalizing size and arm stregth. Does he have it between the ears though....he has some decent mobility. So yes you certainly can get wrapped up in the Allen measurables talk. But sometimes you have to take shots.

As long as your not mortgaging future picks you can continue to take shots at QB if it doesn't work. I have just come to the realization the org is going to pick a QB...they will also sign a vet QB as well. Just depends if they have a pick at a top QB or will they have to go more developmental route later.

i understand the flash throws but let's not forget who made the best throw in the NFL this season.

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consistency in making these throws is much more important than making a crazy throw once in a while which is where drew allar is at. i get that he can develop it but none of these josh allen types have been making it. crazy risky

All points taken. I think Anthony Richards is more on the Milroe type where they are athletes that you need to teach the QB position. I think Allar is raw and young but I think he is far more impressive passer than those guys. Allar improved to over 67 completion % compared to Richardson who was in the low 50's his final year in college. So they are def different.

There certainly would be a lot of risk.

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Honestly I'm fine with him sitting half the year if he's the right guy. Mahomes sat, Rodgers sat. Just get the right kid in here.

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some of the throws he's made recently are really eye popping impressive. Like you said he has tentalizing size and arm stregth. Does he have it between the ears though....he has some decent mobility. So yes you certainly can get wrapped up in the Allen measurables talk. But sometimes you have to take shots.

As long as your not mortgaging future picks you can continue to take shots at QB if it doesn't work. I have just come to the realization the org is going to pick a QB...they will also sign a vet QB as well. Just depends if they have a pick at a top QB or will they have to go more developmental route later.

i understand the flash throws but let's not forget who made the best throw in the NFL this season.

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consistency in making these throws is much more important than making a crazy throw once in a while which is where drew allar is at. i get that he can develop it but none of these josh allen types have been making it. crazy risky

All points taken. I think Anthony Richards is more on the Milroe type where they are athletes that you need to teach the QB position. I think Allar is raw and young but I think he is far more impressive passer than those guys. Allar improved to over 67 completion % compared to Richardson who was in the low 50's his final year in college. So they are def different.

There certainly would be a lot of risk.

fair enough though josh allen was also in the 50's in college, but maybe disconnecting drew allar from josh allen makes more sense? though it seems that's what everyone's been going with

looking at his game log against the ranked teams, his games look kind of weak which is concerning

the more i'm reading up on him, it seems like he's daniel jones with a better arm and that's turning me off of him tbh

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i understand the flash throws but let's not forget who made the best throw in the NFL this season.

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consistency in making these throws is much more important than making a crazy throw once in a while which is where drew allar is at. i get that he can develop it but none of these josh allen types have been making it. crazy risky

All points taken. I think Anthony Richards is more on the Milroe type where they are athletes that you need to teach the QB position. I think Allar is raw and young but I think he is far more impressive passer than those guys. Allar improved to over 67 completion % compared to Richardson who was in the low 50's his final year in college. So they are def different.

There certainly would be a lot of risk.

fair enough though josh allen was also in the 50's in college, but maybe disconnecting drew allar from josh allen makes more sense? though it seems that's what everyone's been going with

looking at his game log against the ranked teams, his games look kind of weak which is concerning

the more i'm reading up on him, it seems like he's daniel jones with a better arm and that's turning me off of him tbh

I think you are pigeon holing into comparisons. He just needs to be evaluated separately. I think Daniel Jones was a 2 star recruit out of high school. Allar was a 5 star and the #1 QB recruit out of high school. So I feel like it night and day in terms of potential.

Yes you see the 6'5 240 frame and think Allen type. And yes I think the Ohio State game wasn't good. But he played well in the Oregon #1 team at the time in the country. And he played well vs Boise State. He's got another test vs Notre Dame. Penn State just isn't a drop back and pass 40 times type of team typically so it will be a different evaluation process.

Again these guys aren't going to be finish products...my whole point way it would hurt to have another QB put in the draft that has potential. Whether he is the pick or not...give me more options instead of less.

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All points taken. I think Anthony Richards is more on the Milroe type where they are athletes that you need to teach the QB position. I think Allar is raw and young but I think he is far more impressive passer than those guys. Allar improved to over 67 completion % compared to Richardson who was in the low 50's his final year in college. So they are def different.

There certainly would be a lot of risk.

fair enough though josh allen was also in the 50's in college, but maybe disconnecting drew allar from josh allen makes more sense? though it seems that's what everyone's been going with

looking at his game log against the ranked teams, his games look kind of weak which is concerning

the more i'm reading up on him, it seems like he's daniel jones with a better arm and that's turning me off of him tbh

I think you are pigeon holing into comparisons. He just needs to be evaluated separately. I think Daniel Jones was a 2 star recruit out of high school. Allar was a 5 star and the #1 QB recruit out of high school. So I feel like it night and day in terms of potential.

Yes you see the 6'5 240 frame and think Allen type. And yes I think the Ohio State game wasn't good. But he played well in the Oregon #1 team at the time in the country. And he played well vs Boise State. He's got another test vs Notre Dame. Penn State just isn't a drop back and pass 40 times type of team typically so it will be a different evaluation process.

Again these guys aren't going to be finish products...my whole point way it would hurt to have another QB put in the draft that has potential. Whether he is the pick or not...give me more options instead of less.

yeah i am pigeon holing but it's mostly because i'm not really doing any scouting. i'm kind of just reading player comparisons to get a starting point then reading strengths/weaknesses and the weaknesses that i'm seeing right now are are erratic accuracy and slow processing/decision making which is really troubling at the moment for obvious reasons.

he had 2 picks and 50% completion against oregon, i'm not sure i'd label that as playing well.

the good thing if he does come out is he is an ohio kid so that might tempt cleveland to pick him