PG: Knicks vs. Thunder: BELT-TO-ASS GAME

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I agree that guys like Payne and Shamet are who they could get for cheap and probably the bottom of the barrel Thibs type guys but they are still the type of guys he wants. I'm sure Thibs has input on the guys being brought in. When it succeeds he deserves some credit but he also deserves some blame when it fails. Burks looks like the typical Thibs retread just like Rose, Gibson, Butler, Deng and even Aaron Brooks were before throughout his career. It worked out incredibly well for half a season here with Rose. It didn't work out so well last season with Burks.

Unfortunately the team will only have access to vet min signings in free agency or possibly the taxpayer mid-level exception that was around $5.2M this year and I believe only Dario Saric received it. As a team above the 1st apron they can't sign anyone bought out making more than non-taxpayer MLE (around $12.9M) and I can't imagine there will be many quality players making less than that being bought out. The buyout signing last year was Shake Milton.

I don't know if you can expect to bring in more than the Payne, Shamet, Saric, Milton level players in free agency especially when Thibs is being voted the coach players least want to play for the last few years. I don't think he is doing himself any favors with his reputation by the way he is handling minutes and the rotation this year.

If they want to add another IQ level player to their playable depth they will likely have to develop one unless you think someone will trade that level of player for guys you consider to be unplayable late picks from a weak draft, the teams remaining collection of 2nd round picks or their other weak end of rotation players. I don't know. Anything is possible. I never thought the Wolves would voluntarily pair Randle with Edwards, McDaniels and Gobert.

If any of the rookies we have has IQ level talent it would take years to develop them. i dont know if you guys ever watch other NBA teams but their players this raw usually take years in g-league to develop that not a Thibs thing. And most dont make it, we only hear about the ones that do. If you believe the rookies are already great players then I'd have to disagree.

I was saying we don't have the assets to acquire an IQ level player if teams look at the players we have as lowly as you do. No one is giving you a high quality rotational piece for guys that you believe would have to develop in the G-League for years just for them to have the possibility of reaching IQ's level somewhere down the road. We didn't trade IQ for that. Toronto wouldn't trade IQ for that. You are not getting IQ for the vet min either.

So if you don't like the vet min guys we can acquire and don't like the rookies what exactly is your plan other than to play the top guys as much as possible and hope for the best? Hope someone gives you value for the things you don't value at all? Hope the pieces that you don't value start to gain value by sitting on the bench?

See if there is another trade they can make with the rookies, mitch, or any picks they have left. We really dont know what they can or cant do and what their next move is.

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If any of the rookies we have has IQ level talent it would take years to develop them. i dont know if you guys ever watch other NBA teams but their players this raw usually take years in g-league to develop that not a Thibs thing. And most dont make it, we only hear about the ones that do. If you believe the rookies are already great players then I'd have to disagree.

I was saying we don't have the assets to acquire an IQ level player if teams look at the players we have as lowly as you do. No one is giving you a high quality rotational piece for guys that you believe would have to develop in the G-League for years just for them to have the possibility of reaching IQ's level somewhere down the road. We didn't trade IQ for that. Toronto wouldn't trade IQ for that. You are not getting IQ for the vet min either.

So if you don't like the vet min guys we can acquire and don't like the rookies what exactly is your plan other than to play the top guys as much as possible and hope for the best? Hope someone gives you value for the things you don't value at all? Hope the pieces that you don't value start to gain value by sitting on the bench?

See if there is another trade they can make with the rookies, mitch, or any picks they have left. We really dont know what they can or cant do and what their next move is.

I think we can get a decent rotational piece for our assets but I value the players we have more than you. I'm also not expecting to get an IQ level player back. I honestly wish I could hear the type of player you we think we could get that meets your standards of a good bench piece for the guys you don't value highly, 2nd round picks to get more guys on that level and an injured Mitch.

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I was saying we don't have the assets to acquire an IQ level player if teams look at the players we have as lowly as you do. No one is giving you a high quality rotational piece for guys that you believe would have to develop in the G-League for years just for them to have the possibility of reaching IQ's level somewhere down the road. We didn't trade IQ for that. Toronto wouldn't trade IQ for that. You are not getting IQ for the vet min either.

So if you don't like the vet min guys we can acquire and don't like the rookies what exactly is your plan other than to play the top guys as much as possible and hope for the best? Hope someone gives you value for the things you don't value at all? Hope the pieces that you don't value start to gain value by sitting on the bench?

See if there is another trade they can make with the rookies, mitch, or any picks they have left. We really dont know what they can or cant do and what their next move is.

I think we can get a decent rotational piece for our assets but I value the players we have more than you. I'm also not expecting to get an IQ level player back. I honestly wish I could hear the type of player you we think we could get that meets your standards of a good bench piece for the guys you don't value highly, 2nd round picks to get more guys on that level and an injured Mitch.

I have not seen much from these rookies to believe they will be that helpful in a tough playoff series this season. They get routinely destroyed by other teams garbage squads and are the reason the starters play so many minutes because they constantly need to be staggered with the bench.

I wish I could give you a name so I'll throw out Donte. We already had him and he knows the system.