Knicks sign MarJon Beauchamp to 2way

[Knicksfan1992]

Dadiet hasn't even been replacement level in the G League (12ppg on 39/25/78 splits) and was not super impressive in his short stints in the rotation IMO. Might just be a bad pick but everyone knew he was raw and a project and if he's to hit a good outcome it will be in year 3 or 4. I don't think he'd change our fortunes much nor do I even think he's ready to be an "innings eater" tbh. Maybe just as a warm body to put out there.

Kolek has looked more of the part but if there's a position we haven't been thin at is combo guard. Payne has been mostly solid. Obviously Deuce has been good and Kolek is not really a guy you can play with another small guard because of his defense. He's a nice to have if one of Deuce or Payne gets hurt but I think his time will come next year which is fine.

Huk got his time and unfortunately was cut short.

[thebuzzardman]

Dadiet hasn't even been replacement level in the G League (12ppg on 39/25/78 splits) and was not super impressive in his short stints in the rotation IMO. Might just be a bad pick but everyone knew he was raw and a project and if he's to hit a good outcome it will be in year 3 or 4. I don't think he'd change our fortunes much nor do I even think he's ready to be an "innings eater" tbh. Maybe just as a warm body to put out there.

Kolek has looked more of the part but if there's a position we haven't been thin at is combo guard. Payne has been mostly solid. Obviously Deuce has been good and Kolek is not really a guy you can play with another small guard because of his defense. He's a nice to have if one of Deuce or Payne gets hurt but I think his time will come next year which is fine.

Huk got his time and unfortunately was cut short.

Waste of a pick. Knicks knew their roster would be top heavy and have the maniac Thibs as coach. So their draft plan was to grab FOUR projects - Dadiet, Kolek, Huporti and McCullars, yet rely on, who, to be their wing backup? Undersized Deuce? Scrub Shamet?

Knicks should have drafted an at least potentially NBA ready wing instead of Dadiet.

And I dont' want to hear they needed to save $50,000 or whatever. They have Brock freakin' Aller on the FO staff. They could have figured it out.

[Knicksfan1992]

Dadiet hasn't even been replacement level in the G League (12ppg on 39/25/78 splits) and was not super impressive in his short stints in the rotation IMO. Might just be a bad pick but everyone knew he was raw and a project and if he's to hit a good outcome it will be in year 3 or 4. I don't think he'd change our fortunes much nor do I even think he's ready to be an "innings eater" tbh. Maybe just as a warm body to put out there.

Kolek has looked more of the part but if there's a position we haven't been thin at is combo guard. Payne has been mostly solid. Obviously Deuce has been good and Kolek is not really a guy you can play with another small guard because of his defense. He's a nice to have if one of Deuce or Payne gets hurt but I think his time will come next year which is fine.

Huk got his time and unfortunately was cut short.

Waste of a pick. Knicks knew their roster would be top heavy and have the maniac Thibs as coach. So their draft plan was to grab FOUR projects - Dadiet, Kolek, Huporti and McCullars, yet rely on, who, to be their wing backup? Undersized Deuce? Scrub Shamet?

Knicks should have drafted an at least potentially NBA ready wing instead of Dadiet.

And I dont' want to hear they needed to save $50,000 or whatever. They have Brock freakin' Aller on the FO staff. They could have figured it out.

I mean given what their draft positions were I don't know if we could really expect them to draft anyone who could be ready year 1 for a good team.

Looking at the board maybe Dunn and Shannon would have been better options? Shannon has a very small sample size but he's been decent I guess. Dunn has been as bad as advertised on offense so IDK how much he actually helps. Jaylen Wells is probably the biggest miss on who was actually available but he didn't go until pick 39 so IDK how much I can hold it against them that they didn't pick him with the 1st round pick.

Knicks have been pretty good with their late 1st/2nd round picks under Leon so it's hard to hold it against them if they finally truly whiffed on one.

[Jalen Bluntson]

It has more to do with these kids earning the minutes than Thibs not playing rookies.

I'm glad you're winning an argument with yourself. Nothing you have said means anything in response to my original post. You're going all in on a point I never even made.

We won't see ANY of the guys I listed play this year. Garbage time doesn't count as seeing them play. It has nothing to do with being rookies. Not sure why you keep going on about that.

I don't care how many minutes 3 rookies played 5 years ago.

In two replies to me, you used the LOL emogi (that one) - 5 times.

But, you're not arguing or even, debating with me (I prefer the terms debate or disagree over argue. Argue has a negative conatation). But, you claim you weren't trying to engage me in discourse, you were just laughing at my posts.

If that floats your banana, but it looked like you were disagreeing with me.

And it's not just you. EVERYBODY says Thibs doesn't play rookies, but it's not really true. The Knicks rookies right now aren't very good. They're not NBA level. That's the problem. Unless you think that Thibs has changed since his coaching 4 years ago, he absolutely plays rookies, when they earn it.

We'll probably see more of Kolek in the coming weeks with Brunson out. I'm curious to see how he does. He showed a little bit earlier this year. I don't know if he'll outperform Cam Payne PG, which is the only way he gets minutes when Brunson returns. My guess is he doesn't, but there's a chance.

I'm just saying we won't see these guys play. That's all brother. Rookies. Two ways. Precious is only getting minutes because of injuries now that Mitch is back.

[JayTWill]

Dadiet hasn't even been replacement level in the G League (12ppg on 39/25/78 splits) and was not super impressive in his short stints in the rotation IMO. Might just be a bad pick but everyone knew he was raw and a project and if he's to hit a good outcome it will be in year 3 or 4. I don't think he'd change our fortunes much nor do I even think he's ready to be an "innings eater" tbh. Maybe just as a warm body to put out there.

Kolek has looked more of the part but if there's a position we haven't been thin at is combo guard. Payne has been mostly solid. Obviously Deuce has been good and Kolek is not really a guy you can play with another small guard because of his defense. He's a nice to have if one of Deuce or Payne gets hurt but I think his time will come next year which is fine.

Huk got his time and unfortunately was cut short.

Waste of a pick. Knicks knew their roster would be top heavy and have the maniac Thibs as coach. So their draft plan was to grab FOUR projects - Dadiet, Kolek, Huporti and McCullars, yet rely on, who, to be their wing backup? Undersized Deuce? Scrub Shamet?

Knicks should have drafted an at least potentially NBA ready wing instead of Dadiet.

And I dont' want to hear they needed to save $50,000 or whatever. They have Brock freakin' Aller on the FO staff. They could have figured it out.

I mean given what their draft positions were I don't know if we could really expect them to draft anyone who could be ready year 1 for a good team.

Looking at the board maybe Dunn and Shannon would have been better options? Shannon has a very small sample size but he's been decent I guess. Dunn has been as bad as advertised on offense so IDK how much he actually helps. Jaylen Wells is probably the biggest miss on who was actually available but he didn't go until pick 39 so IDK how much I can hold it against them that they didn't pick him with the 1st round pick.

Knicks have been pretty good with their late 1st/2nd round picks under Leon so it's hard to hold it against them if they finally truly whiffed on one.

I don't know how Dadiet's career will play out but how much have we seen him play?

He has only entered into the first half of a game 5 times for limited minutes with some odd lineups from Thibs including all 3 rookies on the court at the same time. I couldn't take much good or bad from that short stretch against some pretty bad teams early on in the season. I didn't see anything that jumped off the screen to make me think he was a bad player.

His G-League numbers don't look good but I know I haven't seen a single minute of a G-League game in years. I can't even find a YouTube highlight package for him or a full G-League game. I have no idea how he actually looks on the court. Has anyone here seen his G-League games?

Maybe they could have drafted someone more NBA ready but they also drafted Kolek who will be turning 24 this month and he can't crack the rotation. Kolek barely played even with Payne out. He is not someone you draft for his upside and untapped potential. I'm not sure Thibs would have played any rookie they could have drafted this year. It's hard for me to even judge Kolek since it felt like he was spending so much time off ball running corner to corner like a 3 and D player with Hart or Deuce playing on-ball.

[thebuzzardman]

Beauchamp > Dadiet

[WargamesX]

Beauchamp > Dadiet

If one or both of them actually become good roleplayers the knicks might be able to get over the depth issue that is haunting them right now

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Not much to say about him, other than it looks like he moves well

[HarthorneWingo]

Beauchamp > Dadiet

If one or both of them actually become good roleplayers the knicks might be able to get over the depth issue that is haunting them right now

I say we make them and Watson go round robin one-on-one until there’s one left standing

[Luv those Knicks]

Not much to say about him, other than it looks like he moves well

That's something. I have more faith in Beauchamp figuring things out than Jacob Toppin.

As for Watson. Maybe he was hurt or playing with a cramp in his leg or something, but people said he looked really bad out there.

Beauchamp > Dadiet

If one or both of them actually become good roleplayers the knicks might be able to get over the depth issue that is haunting them right now

Beauchamp is 24 years, 5 months old. Dadiet is 19 years, 7 months, so, he gets an asterisk. I don't know if Dadiet will work out, but he's got 2 more years guaranteed, so he's got time. Beauchamp will have to get better pretty quickly or he's just another Jacob Toppin. IMHO.

Edit - upon checking, Dadiet has one more guaranteed year, just next year. not two. But that year, 2 years out is set at a pretty reasonable 2.9 million. He'll be 21 at the time, so still young.

[Luv those Knicks]

Waste of a pick. Knicks knew their roster would be top heavy and have the maniac Thibs as coach. So their draft plan was to grab FOUR projects - Dadiet, Kolek, Huporti and McCullars, yet rely on, who, to be their wing backup? Undersized Deuce? Scrub Shamet?

Knicks should have drafted an at least potentially NBA ready wing instead of Dadiet.

And I don't want to hear they needed to save $50,000 or whatever. They have Brock freakin' Aller on the FO staff. They could have figured it out.

There's no way to know what was going on inside the office at the time of the pick. My guess (and it's just a guess, because I have no way of knowing), but my guess is NY wanted to trade the #25 pick. They like trading picks, but when they didn't get any takers, they drafted a player they hoped they could convince to stay in Europe.

When Dadiet refused, the Knicks explained that money was really tight and that they could only offer him 80% of the slot value for the 25th pick. 120% is standard. If they'd signed a player like Dunn, and if Dunn's agent had played hardball, instead of Dadiet's 1.808, Dunn would have gotten 2.712, or $904 thousand more.

Would that $900 K have made a difference? It might have. It might have been enough to make the KAT trade unworkable. But again, this is just speculations and maybes. Maybe they believed Dadiet was the guy to pick.

Nobody gets the draft right every time. It's not possible, even for the best talent scout and best GM.

[WaltFrazier]

Dadiet hasn't even been replacement level in the G League (12ppg on 39/25/78 splits) and was not super impressive in his short stints in the rotation IMO. Might just be a bad pick but everyone knew he was raw and a project and if he's to hit a good outcome it will be in year 3 or 4. I don't think he'd change our fortunes much nor do I even think he's ready to be an "innings eater" tbh. Maybe just as a warm body to put out there.

Kolek has looked more of the part but if there's a position we haven't been thin at is combo guard. Payne has been mostly solid. Obviously Deuce has been good and Kolek is not really a guy you can play with another small guard because of his defense. He's a nice to have if one of Deuce or Payne gets hurt but I think his time will come next year which is fine.

Huk got his time and unfortunately was cut short.

I hope Dadiet can get some time with the French national team this summer,, might speed his development. No idea if that's in the cards though.

And Summer League

[WaltFrazier]

Beauchamp > Dadiet

If one or both of them actually become good roleplayers the knicks might be able to get over the depth issue that is haunting them right now

Maybe a new coach can bring that out and next year we're saying how deep the team is

[WargamesX]

Beauchamp > Dadiet

If one or both of them actually become good roleplayers the knicks might be able to get over the depth issue that is haunting them right now

I say we make them and Watson go round robin one-on-one until there’s one left standing

You mean the Kevin Knox special!

[HarthorneWingo]

If one or both of them actually become good roleplayers the knicks might be able to get over the depth issue that is haunting them right now

I say we make them and Watson go round robin one-on-one until there’s one left standing

You mean the Kevin Knox special!

[El Poochio]

Beauchamp > Dadiet

Longchamp > Dadiet

[thebuzzardman]

Beauchamp > Dadiet

Longchamp > Dadiet

Ntilikina > Dadiet

[WargamesX]

Beauchamp > Dadiet

Longchamp > Dadiet

Ntilikina > Dadiet

One of these days one of these french players will work out for the knicks..... just watch

[thebuzzardman]

Longchamp > Dadiet

Ntilikina > Dadiet

One of these days one of these french players will work out for the knicks..... just watch

Other teams get good French players. The Knicks just get the scrubs.

[Luv those Knicks]

They make things unnecessarily complicated. Should be able to sign or release these players without all the weird day counts.

That's the new CBA. The 2nd apron is how we got KAT, because Minnesota wanted to shed salary and after adding a bit of salary in that trade, NY was right up against their spending limit. They valued KAT over flexibility and I think they made the right call.

They did, but still seems like something the league should do away with.

I didn't put this together right away, but you're right. About some of it, anyway.

The league won't get rid of the aprons. They're too effective, though the players union might not like them, but some kind of provision where a team can sign G-league players to fill up their roster should be written in.

10 day contracts are fine. It gives a team a chance to look at a player and 2-way contracts are fine. Teams can essentially keep up to 3 g-league players on the extended roster to call up when injuries create openings.

What I think the league needs to fix is the hard ceiling where teams can't fill roster spots. As bad as it was for the Knicks, having to wait till March 1st to sign a vet (PJ Tucker), the Mavs are in an even worse spot. They had to waive Moses Brown and they're playing short. A game a while back they were down to 5 players in the 4th quarter after 2 players ran into each other and had to sit. G-league replacement players should be allowed even if a team goes over the apron and I think that's something that gets changed in the next bargaining agreement, along with not using those types of players in sign & trade like the Knicks did. (hehe).