Thibs needs to go

[mpharris36]

If they switch out Thibs....KAT and/or Bridges staying go up a decent amount. Not 100% certainty but more than if Thibs stayed.

Leon Rose was KAT's agent.

Leon Rose traded a lot of draft capital for Bridges.

I just don't think he pulls the plug year one into this. Its far easy to shake up coaching if you need that but he is also close with Thibs.

An organization that relies on relationships might have some difficult decisions ahead.

Now they did trade Donte who obviously has the nova connections but not the CAA connection which is very prominent around the Knicks.

[mpharris36]

Unless it’s a slam dunk coaching hire, I wouldn’t fire Thibs.

whats your version of a slam dunk hire? I actually would lean more younger and analytically driven...because that is the way the modern NBA is going.

For example I'm not firing thibs to hire Mike Malone...that is some cutting off one's nose to spite one's face type move.

If your going away from Thibs you want a coach that is completely opposite of him.

[Jay10]

There’s no way Thibs comes back after how he ignored the bench players throughout the season to have them ready for the playoffs. A lot of our starters were running on fumes and his stubbornness and adjusting to a 8-10 players rotation caused him to win the ECF. Even at the start of the Detroit series, he was pushing a 6-7 man rotation. He needs to go.

Someone in the front office definitely told him to extend the bench to more guys, and then we suddenly see Shamet and Wright get minutes.

This was the nail in the coffin if he's fired.

If he was instructed to play those guys that's worst case for him because the strategy worked.

And whomever the person or people were that told him to use the bench, they can now say playing Shamet and Wright earlier in the series could've been the difference in the series.

TJ McConnell was too physical for Deuce and the moment Shamet and Wright started defending him, he was non-existent on the offensive end.

[god shammgod]

I could get behind Bryant.

he's a complete unknown as a head coach. it's risky.

[Adelheid]

I'm still trusting that Rose will be aggressive trying to improve our weaknesses. If he brings Thibs back I will assume they agreed on a lot of changes for next year, using a deeper rotation, new offensive sets, ways to hold everyone accountable on defense, etc. But I do think the simpler answer will be a new coach rather than forcing an old dog to do new tricks.

There’s no way Thibs comes back after how he ignored the bench players throughout the season to have them ready for the playoffs. A lot of our starters were running on fumes and his stubbornness and adjusting to a 8-10 players rotation caused him to win the ECF. Even at the start of the Detroit series, he was pushing a 6-7 man rotation. He needs to go.

Someone in the front office definitely told him to extend the bench to more guys, and then we suddenly see Shamet and Wright get minutes.

This was the nail in the coffin if he's fired.

that is something a coach is not supposed to be reminded of -- because that is part of his job

[The KnicksFix]

Fanchise said it wasnt speculation and Thibs is very much on thin ice. Lets see if that in fact is the case.

This has a real chance of happening. Begley normally gives a strong vote if confidence to Thibs.

Johnnie Bryant on short list?

Will the HC hired have strong connections to any certain guys either currently on team or guys that may want to come here?

Very interesting indeed.

I just called into today’s pod with CP
we talked for a while and I picked his brain
It looks like Thibs is really being evaluated and the game 2 of the pacer series is what woke up a lot of heads
He mentions Chris Quinn being someone they might look at Implying they’re not just looking within the CAA connect and there’s a real possibility they are looking outside of it

[Capn'O]

I could get behind Bryant.

he's a complete unknown as a head coach. it's risky.

Right, but sometimes after putting in years of sweat as an assistant a coach is ready to take the reins. Just look at Thibs!

Spoiler:

Totally agree but it's even harder to evaluate the risk from the spectator seat.

[Jeff Van Gully]

For the last time. His coaching philosophy isn’t enough to put you over the top. Don’t believe me ? Have a look at this. And next time try to come back with facts or stats, and try not to live up to your name no stats guy

Watch on YouTube

...

Furthermore it seems as though you actually listen to KFTV so you would see that I actually go toe to toe with him. And in my last call argued that we do not run offensive sets including floppy, horns, double drag screen or Spain pick and roll.

these might not have enough screaming, but...

floppy - https://youtu.be/AYUR5WkEaRQ?si=QfMNuDYzwEhrf_nV&t=70

spain - https://youtu.be/AYUR5WkEaRQ?si=MjPcb5MJp4MMggr0&t=442

boston got horned to death

Watch on YouTube

speaking of boston, knicks ate Celtics 77 (double drag screen) for breakfast. so they probably not too interested in running it.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Unless it’s a slam dunk coaching hire, I wouldn’t fire Thibs.

whats your version of a slam dunk hire? I actually would lean more younger and analytically driven...because that is the way the modern NBA is going.

For example I'm not firing thibs to hire Mike Malone...that is some cutting off one's nose to spite one's face type move.

If your going away from Thibs you want a coach that is completely opposite of him.

i think okc did it right. they hired a young coach in mark daigneault while the team was rebuilding so he can learn and grow into the role because realistically, coaches that young would have much less experience so they'd need some time and some meaningless and pressureless games to experiment around and power through some of the growing pains involved.

i'd say we have about a 3-4 year window to do anything with our current core, so assuming we get the right coach and chalk up the first year or 2 to coach inexperience and learning, it could work but it could also massively backfire. it's a high risk and high reward affair

[WargamesX]

For the last time. His coaching philosophy isn’t enough to put you over the top. Don’t believe me ? Have a look at this. And next time try to come back with facts or stats, and try not to live up to your name no stats guy

Watch on YouTube

...

Furthermore it seems as though you actually listen to KFTV so you would see that I actually go toe to toe with him. And in my last call argued that we do not run offensive sets including floppy, horns, double drag screen or Spain pick and roll.

these might not have enough screaming, but...

floppy - https://youtu.be/AYUR5WkEaRQ?si=QfMNuDYzwEhrf_nV&t=70

spain - https://youtu.be/AYUR5WkEaRQ?si=MjPcb5MJp4MMggr0&t=442

boston got horned to death

Watch on YouTube

speaking of boston, knicks ate Celtics 77 (double drag screen) for breakfast. so they probably not too interested in running it.

Yeah the amount of plays they ran in the playoffs…. Thibs opened up the playbook late and it worked. The complaint about him not coaching isn’t really relevant. Especially after the Boston series where he really opened up the playbook. The pacers was almost all bad defense and the lack of a secondary creator on the roster.

[The KnicksFix]

For the last time. His coaching philosophy isn’t enough to put you over the top. Don’t believe me ? Have a look at this. And next time try to come back with facts or stats, and try not to live up to your name no stats guy

Watch on YouTube

...

Furthermore it seems as though you actually listen to KFTV so you would see that I actually go toe to toe with him. And in my last call argued that we do not run offensive sets including floppy, horns, double drag screen or Spain pick and roll.

these might not have enough screaming, but...

floppy - https://youtu.be/AYUR5WkEaRQ?si=QfMNuDYzwEhrf_nV&t=70

spain - https://youtu.be/AYUR5WkEaRQ?si=MjPcb5MJp4MMggr0&t=442

boston got horned to death

Watch on YouTube

speaking of boston, knicks ate Celtics 77 (double drag screen) for breakfast. so they probably not too interested in running it.

AYOOOOO
yea JVG I def agree with you on this
But my gripe is, when it’s crunch time or money time in the fourth, we go away from all these sets. If you look at these actions we are running them in the first half or early 3rd quarter, when we really need easy buckets in crunch time of the 4th

[KnixinSix]

If they switch out Thibs....KAT and/or Bridges staying go up a decent amount. Not 100% certainty but more than if Thibs stayed.

Leon Rose was KAT's agent.

Leon Rose traded a lot of draft capital for Bridges.

I just don't think he pulls the plug year one into this. Its far easy to shake up coaching if you need that but he is also close with Thibs.

An organization that relies on relationships might have some difficult decisions ahead.

Now they did trade Donte who obviously has the nova connections but not the CAA connection which is very prominent around the Knicks.

I think if you get a similar talent back for Bridges it could be done. If you keep KAT, you desperately need a defensive 4/5 guy like JJJ who happens also to be on CAA, is in the last year of his deal AND didn't qualify for a supermax (so other teams can make more competitive offers for him).

If he threatens to leave Memphis, trading them some package centered around Bridges while keeping KAT is an intriguing scenario.

Then trade McBride, Kolek , Tucker (salary filler) for Divo

JJJ/Mitch/KAT
KAT/JJJ/OG
OG/Hart
Divo/Hart/ Wright
Brunson/Wright/ Divo

[mpharris36]

I could get behind Bryant.

he's a complete unknown as a head coach. it's risky.

unless your hiring a coach with some experience who has been fired I guess anything can be considered risky.

I think its far less risky since he was in the organization last year and for whatever reason with less talent I thought we were a far better coached team last year than this.

He has also had a ton of success wherever he went in Utah, NY, and now CLE.

Now how much of that success he directly impacted? Yes that is risky. But I'm not interested in retreads either just because they have " head coaching experience".

[Context]

Watch on YouTube

About an hour in they start talking Knicks Pacers. They eventually get into how the Pacers beat the Knicks. If you can listen to former NBA players
dissect why we lost-- and, still want Thibs to be our coach...I will let you be

[Jeff Van Gully]

Someone in the front office definitely told him to extend the bench to more guys, and then we suddenly see Shamet and Wright get minutes.

This was the nail in the coffin if he's fired.

If he was instructed to play those guys that's worst case for him because the strategy worked.

And whomever the person or people were that told him to use the bench, they can now say playing Shamet and Wright earlier in the series could've been the difference in the series.

TJ McConnell was too physical for Deuce and the moment Shamet and Wright started defending him, he was non-existent on the offensive end.

so deuce and payne weren't supposed to get a chance in their roles? or would we call that an adjustment?

speaking of shamet, he was in the 9-man rotation in the detroit series but not in boston because...

wait for it...

boston went 8 guys instead of 9 and the knicks scaled down for the matchups. 9th/situational guy was precious for size reasons. same argument being made for the shamet adjustment to mcconnell.

[sol537]

I can't wait until I wake up one morning soon and we get the Shambomb that Thibs is out as our coach. What a glorious day that will be.

Also, gimme Dan Hurley at 5+ years.

[Jeff Van Gully]

For the last time. His coaching philosophy isn’t enough to put you over the top. Don’t believe me ? Have a look at this. And next time try to come back with facts or stats, and try not to live up to your name no stats guy

Watch on YouTube

...

Furthermore it seems as though you actually listen to KFTV so you would see that I actually go toe to toe with him. And in my last call argued that we do not run offensive sets including floppy, horns, double drag screen or Spain pick and roll.

these might not have enough screaming, but...

floppy - https://youtu.be/AYUR5WkEaRQ?si=QfMNuDYzwEhrf_nV&t=70

spain - https://youtu.be/AYUR5WkEaRQ?si=MjPcb5MJp4MMggr0&t=442

boston got horned to death

Watch on YouTube

speaking of boston, knicks ate Celtics 77 (double drag screen) for breakfast. so they probably not too interested in running it.

AYOOOOO
yea JVG I def agree with you on this
But my gripe is, when it’s crunch time or money time in the fourth, we go away from all these sets. If you look at these actions we are running them in the first half or early 4th quarter, when we really need easy buckets in crunch time

i mean, we use spain a lot to free brunson up to isolate. because he's brunson. kinda need that late games.

and i'm not trying to convince you to like thibs. but we can't just be saying whatever.

[Jay10]

If he was instructed to play those guys that's worst case for him because the strategy worked.

And whomever the person or people were that told him to use the bench, they can now say playing Shamet and Wright earlier in the series could've been the difference in the series.

TJ McConnell was too physical for Deuce and the moment Shamet and Wright started defending him, he was non-existent on the offensive end.

so deuce and payne weren't supposed to get a chance in their roles? or would we call that an adjustment?

speaking of shamet, he was in the 9-man rotation in the detroit series but not in boston because...

wait for it...

boston went 8 guys instead of 9 and the knicks scaled down for the matchups. 9th/situational guy was precious for size reasons. same argument being made for the shamet adjustment to mcconnell.

When it comes to McConnell I was saying Thibodeau could've tried using Shamet from the beginning of the series, because McConnell did the same thing to Deuce in the series last season, and Shamet and Wright's height looked to be the difference this time around.

[spree8]

Fanchise said it wasnt speculation and Thibs is very much on thin ice. Lets see if that in fact is the case.

This has a real chance of happening. Begley normally gives a strong vote if confidence to Thibs.

Johnnie Bryant on short list?

Will the HC hired have strong connections to any certain guys either currently on team or guys that may want to come here?

Very interesting indeed.

I just called into today’s pod with CP
we talked for a while and I picked his brain
It looks like Thibs is really being evaluated and the game 2 of the pacer series is what woke up a lot of heads
He mentions Chris Quinn being someone they might look at Implying they’re not just looking within the CAA connect and there’s a real possibility they are looking outside of it

Damn, we’re actually lookin at other coaching options? Happy to hear Spo’s right hand man who’s loved by all the players is getting some recognition. Him n Bryant would be at the top of my list of people I know. FO would have to do interviews n all that to really understand their philosophy n vision for the team. But good news, even tho I doubt they’ll fire Thibs

[Context]

I can't wait until I wake up one morning soon and we get the Shambomb that Thibs is out as our coach. What a glorious day that will be.

Also, gimme Dan Hurley at 5+ years.

I think one of the main problems with Thibs and our group is- our group are "young" vets who, can not coach themselves at this point. They havent even mastered clock management. Why cant Thibs recognize that? Game 5 toward the end Brunson was getting lulled into running with the pacers when we had the lead. I witnessed him catch himself and slow it down. Clock management should be imbedded in your mind by now.

And even Thibs...he's been coaching all his life but didnt have a plan for Carlisle... Does he not know what type of strategist Carlisle was?
How can you be in the ECF and not have a plan against a champion coach?!