Knicks 2yr Rebuild..

[spree8]

I posted this on the Trade Board, but I always like to get Knick fan opinions. I've never ruled out the possibility of Isiah swallowing his pride and admitting this plan failed. He would get the respect of people out there if he changed things..



1st Trade-


Knicks:

Eddy Curry
Jamal Crawford


Get:

Kurt Thomas
Eric Snow
2008 1st rd pick from Seattle (via Phoenix)


Sonics:

Kurt Thomas
Earl Watson
2008 1st rd pick from Phoenix

Get:

Eddy Curry
Jamal Crawford


Cavs:

Eric Snow

Get:

Earl Watson



-Seattle does this IMO because they get a low post threat who would do wonders for Durant's game. Having a post guy to command double teams would help Kev get many open looks not to mention Wally and the hometown new guy Crawford. Sonics also have plenty of defensive bigs and perimeter guys to hide Curry's weakness on that end. I also think a coach like PJ is better for Crawford the way Brown was better for him than Isiah...he needs a tough coach. They don't give up a great pick...somewhere around #27 or so while still having their lotto pick...top 3 and their 2nd rd pick. They draft let's say..Beasley and they have...

Ridnour/Crawford
Durant/Wally/Wilkins
Beasley/Green
Wilcox/Collison
Curry/Petro/Sene

They can then either let Swift, West and Gelebale walk or re-sign or even sign and trade for picks instead of adding more salary.


-Cleveland takes on an additional year, but at a cheaper cost for a nice upgrade. Watson would be a nice push to a team that is starting to get back to their old form especially as the playoffs near.




2nd Trade-


Knicks:

Zach Randolph

Get:

Raef LaFrentz


Sixers:

Dre Miller
Reggie Evans

Get:

Jarret Jack
Zach Randolph


Blazers:

Jarret Jack
Raef LaFrentz

Get:

Dre Miller
Reggie Evans



-Philidelphia would make this move IMo because Iggy has been asking for changes and this move certainly makes them a better team. They get younger and more effective with a bigtime post scorer who would fit perfectly with Dalembert watching his back and a pg who is on his way up in this league and dispite being a nice spark off the bench in Portland, he would be better starting for a young up and coming team like Philly.

Jack/Ollie
Green/Carney
Iggy/Young
Zach/S.Randolph
Dalembert/Smith

...plus a lotto pick.

-Portland gets a good deal here because they have shown they are a legit playoff team. They have an excellent system based around team ball and adding a pg like Miller would help them a lot. I think he would do wonders for this team...

Miller/Blake
Roy/Jones
Webster/Outlaw
Aldridge/Frye
Przybilla/Oden



-I think that if Zeke came out and admitted that this team wasn't working out at around the deadline(if things don't change) he could quite possibly redeem himself and even keep his job provided he promises to go the real rebuilding route and start by shedding salary and saving Dolan some money and giving the fans their franchise player they have been waiting for since Ewing by not trading the pick.

Far fetched I know, but at this point how much longer can he sugarcoat things? The Knicks would be lucky to get deals like these, but they are out there..teams could benefit from having those traded players.


Let's say the Knicks Draft -Derrick Rose with a top 3 pick, and Billy Walker from Kansas St. (reminds me of a young Artest) with the Seattle pick, and Joey Dorsey with their high 2nd rounder...

Buyout Stephon Marbury, and have Jerome James retire from injury so it can come off the cap sooner and he keeps his money and doesn't have to play(which is what he's happy with)

Release Fred Jones+Randolph Morris+Kurt Thomas

Isiah puts out...

Snow/Rose
Nate/Collins
QRich/Chandler/Walker
Jeffries/Balkman/Dorsey
Lee/Rose/LaFrentz


With that squad Knicks are going straight to the lotto again but would at least put fans in the seats by playing their favorites more. They put out an entertaining product, and only improve it with their expirings(which give more pt to the younger cats) as well as draft picks...

Let's say they get another top 3 pick and pick up that Compton kid DeRozen- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I-ywLk3860 , waive Snow, Malik, LaFrentz and buyout the last year of QRich's contract...

D.Rose/Robinson
DeRozen/Collins
Balkman/Walker
Lee/Chandler
Dorsey/Jeffries

...with a ton of cap space to go after a bigtime FA such as Melo...after that they can extend guys like Nate and Lee then Balk and Mardy the year after. All of this could happen in just 1 year..after this season. I know this exact plan won't happen, but I hope Isiah will eventually do something similar and if not, I hope the person who replaces him does.

[blueNorange]

Jamal Crawful and Kevin Durant ... a combined weight of 279 pounds.

[Brooklyn718]

Jamal Crawful and Kevin Durant ... a combined weight of 279 pounds.

That cold

[Det the Threat]

Sonics:

Kurt Thomas
Earl Watson
2008 1st rd pick from Phoenix

Get:

Eddy Curry
Jamal Crawford

Are we allowed to change that pick from the Suns one, to our own....

[spree8]

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Are we allowed to change that pick from the Suns one, to our own....

You made your point in the other thread homie. I don't think it's nearly as bad as you make it out to be, but it's cool. Maybe change it to their 2nd rounder?

[Deeeez Knicks]

I highly doubt the Sonics would want Crawford or Curry and there contracts. They are in a patient rebuild mode so I dont think they are looking for long term contracts in the form of Curry and Crawford

[StutterStep]

I like the concept of both trades.

1st Trade-


Knicks: Eddy Curry Jamal Crawford


Get: Kurt Thomas Eric Snow 2008 1st rd pick from Seattle (via Phoenix)


Sonics: Kurt Thomas Earl Watson 2008 1st rd pick from Phoenix

Get: Eddy Curry Jamal Crawford


Cavs: Eric Snow

Get:Earl Watson

Any trade that brings us back Eric Snow while we still have Steph, Nate and Mardy is not a good one because our main problem is finding a SG with size, especially when we're sending out Crawford.

Take out the pick and Seattle might do it, but I am not sure if they would be sold on Jamal running the point for them.

The Cavs would do it or simply make a direct trade with Seattle around the same players.

2nd Trade-


Knicks: Zach Randolph

Get: Raef LaFrentz


Sixers: Dre Miller Reggie Evans

Get: Jarret Jack Zach Randolph


Blazers: Jarret Jack Raef LaFrentz

Get: Dre Miller Reggie Evans

I like the concept of this trade for us -- taking away 2 years salaries from Zach so I can't argue with this too much

Sixers would want to dump not Reggie Evans but Dalembert in this trade, so that when they pay Iguodola, Dalembert's salary slot is not there next to Zach. They would need more incentive.

Blazers: I am not sure why they need Miller and Evans in their rotation. They have Blake (backed by Rodriguez) and Przybilla (backed by Frye).

[Det the Threat]

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You made your point in the other thread homie. I don't think it's nearly as bad as you make it out to be, but it's cool. Maybe change it to their 2nd rounder?

It's not about Thomas or the pick, it's about us not having any need for Curry or Crawford and, especially, their contracts.

The Sonics hired their GM from the San Antonio Spurs and also hired another FO guy from the Detroit Pistons and Presti already said, that we want to build a team with a defensive identity.

Eddie Curry is a 6'11, 300+ pound guy that can't play a lick of defense and doesn't knows how to grab a rebound.
Jamal Crawford is a 6th man in this league, but he's paid like a starter(over the next 3 1/2 years) and the Sonics surely aren't one of those few teams that could stomach bringing a guy like him off the bench. His defense is also suspect and not what we(or any other team) would want at the sg position.

So, no, not even changing it from a 1st to a 2nd rounder would change our minds about this one, as we don't have a need for those 2 guys and their contracts are the icing on the cake that makes us decline faster then anyone could say Eddie.