Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

SelbyCobra · Post #401 » by **SelbyCobra** » Mon May 27, 2019 11:32 pm

F N 11 wrote:Same people talking about Barrett shooting give Mitchell, Trae and Luka sloppy top all day long I bet.

Let me guess those guys can’t get better huh?

TruthBeTold · Post #402 » by **TruthBeTold** » Mon May 27, 2019 11:41 pm

Tron Carter wrote:

Read on Twitter

don’t get too attached

I guess they will bring him in for the Kevin Knox workout. :lol:

If this is true, I bet the Lakers are

Oscirus · Post #403 » by **Oscirus** » Mon May 27, 2019 11:44 pm

Tron Carter wrote:

Read on Twitter

don’t get too attached

I aint worried about smoke screens. Unless we getting Davis and the Pelicans want somebody else in particular or the grizz change their mind, we getting RJ

Phish Tank · Post #404 » by **Phish Tank** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:05 am

welcome back Moo

Garbagelo · Post #405 » by **Garbagelo** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:12 am

3rd + DSJ for 4th + Lonzo

Grab Culver at 4

Lonzo/Culver/KD/Kawhi/Mitch

A man can dream

TheGreenArrow · Post #406 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Tue May 28, 2019 12:34 am

Read on Twitter

Beautiful read...

taj2133 · Post #407 » by **taj2133** » Tue May 28, 2019 1:42 am

Read on Twitter

knickstape4ever · Post #408 » by **knickstape4ever** » Tue May 28, 2019 1:58 am

Garbagelo wrote:3rd + DSJ for 4th + Lonzo

Grab Culver at 4

Lonzo/Culver/KD/Kawhi/Mitch

A man can dream

hard pass (on the trade...would love to get Kawhi/KD)

whocares1 · Post #409 » by **whocares1** » Tue May 28, 2019 2:18 am

SelbyCobra wrote:
F N 11 wrote:Same people talking about Barrett shooting give Mitchell, Trae and Luka sloppy top all day long I bet.

Let me guess those guys can’t get better huh?

Mechanically they’re all better. Barrett was also a bad free throw shooter which is usually not a good sign as well.

nyk2017 · Post #410 » by **nyk2017** » Tue May 28, 2019 3:15 am

Garbagelo wrote:3rd + DSJ for 4th + Lonzo

Grab Culver at 4

Lonzo/Culver/KD/Kawhi/Mitch

A man can dream

I like the way you think. Although, Lonzo's value is low right now and there is a perception that there is huge talent drop from 3. We would be better off offering Frank + #3 for #4, Lonzo and another pick. We can then use DSJr for another draft pick.

Post #411 » by **GONYK** » Tue May 28, 2019 3:22 am

whocares1 wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:
F N 11 wrote:Same people talking about Barrett shooting give Mitchell, Trae and Luka sloppy top all day long I bet.

Let me guess those guys can’t get better huh?

Mechanically they’re all better. Barrett was also a bad free throw shooter which is usually not a good sign as well.

Luka and Trae were just flat out more skilled prospects.

Post #412 » by **dakomish23** » Tue May 28, 2019 3:36 am

Windhorst knows nothing about the draft but even he was talking about how many GMs are intrigued by Culver.

Maybe he just meant CLE b/c he might still have a sauce with that franchise?

Post #413 » by **moocow007** » Tue May 28, 2019 3:56 am

GONYK wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
GONYK wrote:I would think that a lot of Barrett's physical advantages are mitigated when you move him to the 3 though.
Potentially but he can also gain some matchup advantages as a result. IMO Barrett is better suited for the NBA game. He's more explosive, he's got a much better all around offensive NBA game (he doesn't have to be an elite 3 point shooter) and I think his demeanor is better suited for being an alpha in the area of what he's best at in the NBA than Culver. Culver imo has to have the ball in his hands for longer periods of time and with his kinda shaky handles I just don't see Frontline star.

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I do think that Barrett is more explosive. I don't think Barrett is an elite athlete though. Not functionally, in the halfcourt. Open court is a different story. RJ is a killer there.

I think they were put into similar roles in their respective schools, and Culver showed much better IQ, footwork/craftiness, and defense.

RJ has better scoring instincts, more physicality, and a better raw athletic profile, but I don't see a very large gap between them as prospects.

RJ was pretty limited by his jumper and his absence of a right hand. He came by his stats on volume. Those things can improve, but they can improve for Culver as well.

I do think RJ has more of an alpha mentality than Culver, but I'm not sure that matters much if we are potentially slotting them behind 2 all stars.

This is a good article that I found about why Culver should NOT be the guy to take at 3. Found this after I had already determined Barrett is the guy to take. But it explains it pretty much with the same reasons as me.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/3-reasons-drafting-jarrett-culver-at-no-3-would-be-a-mistake-for-the-knicks/amp/

As far as Barrett with KD and Kyrie...IF the Knicks are really confident that they will land the two it still really doesn't change things one bit. Barrett is still without question the better asset to have in a trade.

IF KD and Kyrie gave Perry and Mills their commitment then neither Barrett nor Culver would be a fit. From a pure fit standpoint in this scenario, DeAndre Hunter would be the best fit...if we want to draft for fit.

But if the Knicks land KD and Kyrie they should be putting all the cards on the table and looking to deal for AD. And by all indications Barrett would be the most desirable piece of any trade for Davis.

If the goal is to move down from 3 Barrett still is the better option as Barrett is the more desirable asset for the teams following the Knicks in the draft. The Lakers would immediately look to include Barrett in a trade for AD themselves (which in and if itself would be reason enough to draft Barrett at 3). Barrett would be the perfect player for the Cavs. Barrett and Trae Young would be a potentially scary and exciting duo in Atlanta.

From a style of play standpoint, it's pretty clear that Fizdale wants to play uptempo. If they don't land KD, Barrett is the better player for uptempo compared to the less athletic, slower footed Culver. If they do land KD and Kyrie they would still logically want to play uptempo considering that it'll be even more difficult to defend KD if you're pushing the ball. And Kyrie? You unleash him in an uptempo system and he can be truly scary. So again, Barrett would be a better fit as both a finisher as well as shot creator than Culver.

I just don't see any scenario where Culver makes sense over Barrett for the Knicks at 3.

Folks are getting carried away with his wingspan measurement at the combine. You still have to be able to create your shots in the NBA and I'm dubious Culver can do that (poor handles, not explosive). His showing against DeAndre Hunter in the title game imo is a foreshadowing of what he'll be able to go in the NBA against NBA defenders.

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Post #414 » by **moocow007** » Tue May 28, 2019 3:57 am

Phish Tank wrote:welcome back Moo

Thanks! Glad to be back.

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blueNorange · Post #415 » by **blueNorange** » Tue May 28, 2019 3:59 am

Tron Carter wrote:

Read on Twitter

don’t get too attached

you mean knicks are considering drafting the 3rd best prospect with the #3 pick?

Post #416 » by **moocow007** » Tue May 28, 2019 4:04 am

dakomish23 wrote:Windhorst knows nothing about the draft but even he was talking about how many GMs are intrigued by Culver.

Maybe he just meant CLE b/c he might still have a sauce with that franchise?

He's probably trying to help the Cavs who, above any other team drafting in the lottery, really need Barrett most..by throwing shade. The notion that Culver is their guy above all is just silly. The Cavs are looking for relevance. They are looking for an alpha. They are looking for a top tier offensive talent. They are looking for someone they can make the face of their franchise and eject energy, explosiveness and excitement into their grossly dull roster. And someone that they can dress up as the Batman to their Robin (Colin Sexton). Other than Zion Williamson, RJ Barrett is ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY the next best thing for that organization (one that can't attract top tier free agents and who lack the assets to trade for what they need most).

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Garbagelo · Post #417 » by **Garbagelo** » Tue May 28, 2019 4:08 am

nyk2017 wrote:
Garbagelo wrote:3rd + DSJ for 4th + Lonzo

Grab Culver at 4

Lonzo/Culver/KD/Kawhi/Mitch

A man can dream

I like the way you think. Although, Lonzo's value is low right now and there is a perception that there is huge talent drop from 3. We would be better off offering Frank + #3 for #4, Lonzo and another pick. We can then use DSJr for another draft pick.

the basic premise of this offer is that Lebron loves DSJ and feuding with the Ball family thus allowing us to fleece them in this manner

I am not high on Barrett whatsoever

Post #418 » by **dakomish23** » Tue May 28, 2019 5:01 am

moocow007 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:Windhorst knows nothing about the draft but even he was talking about how many GMs are intrigued by Culver.

Maybe he just meant CLE b/c he might still have a sauce with that franchise?
He's probably trying to help the Cavs who, above any other team drafting in the lottery, really need Barrett most..by throwing shade. The notion that Culver is their guy above all is just silly. The Cavs are looking for relevance. They are looking for an alpha. They are looking for a top tier offensive talent. They are looking for someone they can make the face of their franchise and eject energy, explosiveness and excitement into their grossly dull roster. And someone that they can dress up as the Batman to their Robin (Colin Sexton). Other than Zion Williamson, RJ Barrett is ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY the next best thing for that organization (one that can't attract top tier free agents and who lack the assets to trade for what they need most).

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We’ll see. Wouldn’t have been the first time they took a leap and drafted someone higher than the mocks had them.

Who knows where they would have been if instead of Waiters they took Barnes or Drummond, or instead of Bennett they took Oladipo.

HarthorneWingo · Post #419 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue May 28, 2019 6:41 am

From a long time Duke fan:

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Celo · Post #420 » by **Celo** » Tue May 28, 2019 10:14 am

moocow007 wrote:This is a good article that I found about why Culver should NOT be the guy to take at 3. Found this after I had already determined Barrett is the guy to take. But it explains it pretty much with the same reasons as me.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/3-reasons-drafting-jarrett-culver-at-no-3-would-be-a-mistake-for-the-knicks/amp/

Don't want to hate on you, and neither on RJ. But this article is wrong in so many ways.

Yes, RJ is the better scorer, and yes, he has more alpha in him than Culver has. But there are so many other wrong assumptions imo.

he projects fairly well as a shooter in the league with more spacing and options in the wing.

Why does he project well as a shooter? His FT% does not necessarily indicate this. Culver has funky shooting mechanics, but it's not like RJ has picture perfect mechanics himself.

Sometimes it is rather awkward, but Barrett’s superb body control and strength allow him to finish from anywhere.

Not true, either. Barrett can't finish with his right, he even prefers using his left hand while going right, which causes some awkward misses.

Alternatively, Barrett showed the ability to work through double teams and create for himself throughout the collegiate season.

Is that true? I mean, Barrett had extremely problems creating some separation between him and his defender. I'll give him the benefit of doubt because of Duke's not-existent spacing, but it's not like he showed that much more shot-creation ability than Culver.

Texas Tech was also more of a half-court offense, and given their personnel, the Knicks are more likely to play up-tempo and look to get out in transition so athletic guys like Dennis Smith Jr. can make plays in the open court.

I don't think that this will be the plan if we get KD + any other FA. Not gonna hate on this tho, Barrett's the better player in transition.

Whether in the open floor or in half-court sets, Barrett is the more proven playmaker from a scoring standpoint

How do they determine this? Their assist number are fairly similar. Both are secondary playmakers at this stage. I wonder how their synergy stats compare, maybe then a general assumption could be made.

Again, not trying to hate on anybody, neither a poster nor a player. I just think this article makes bold assumptions without proving them. I do hope we trade the pick for AD if KD's coming. Not because I wouldn't like to rebuild properly, far from it! I just don't like any player in this draft that much besides Zion, that I'd be comfortable picking with this high.

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