NewYorkPride85 wrote: moocow007 wrote:
At 13 he would be a steal. The more I thought about the hiring of Payne the more I started to look at Wiseman the more I asked myself why he couldn't play the 4 along side with Mitch. From the articles I have read they have his comparison as AD lite but doesnt AD prefer to play the 4 because of his skill set. Why not take him if he is available and have Payne work with him so he can actually reach that potential since AD was coached by Payne in Kentucky. I might be wrong since there isn't a substantial amount of data to prove what type of player he will be since he didn't play much last year much like Mitch didn't play college ball at all. If we cant land any of the top two players, I'd be more than happy with Wiseman. If he were to actually drop to that range (Which I highly doubt) I would package our first round pick from the Clippers and absorb some salary to help get us in that range.
Not sure about the AD lite thing but Wiseman without question has the potential to be the best player in this draft...BY FAR. The question isn't about his physical tools or his basketball skills, it's about whether he's closer to a Michael Olowakandi or an Alonzo Mourning from a mindset standpoint. That's his realistic range which is pretty huge. You take Wiseman top of the draft and his mentality doesn't come close to matching the physical tools and basketball skills potential, you could be on the hook for drafting the next Olowakandi which will likely get you fired. I think that's the reason why folks are afraid of taking him at the top of the draft. But at 13? That's way too low IMO. My expectation is that Wiseman will go in the top 5 just based on sheer and utter physical tools and skill set potential. It's interesting that Wiseman has been so hyped that him basically him acting like any of the lesser hyped 19 year olds is actually being viewed as a negative when it should just not be a positive (him being a typical 19 year old). It's a real weird double standard that folks for whatever reason are just buying into hook, line and sinker. I still have Ball, Edwards, Wiseman and Okongwu as the 4 top guys (in no particular order) from an overall big board standpoint. All 4 of these guys have tremendous upside (people keep pidgeon holing Okongwu either hasn't watched him play or doesn't understand what he can become and instead is just assuming he's a "defensive shortish big") AND can contribute right away in some manner. Everyone else either isn't ready to contribute or doesn't have the realistic upside (or both).
Can't deny anything you're saying. It really is a crap shoot. If he does have the mentality of RJ and he was still on the board then I'd run to the podium to announce him as our pick myself. We knew nothing about Mitch or his mindset and even if he acts like a goof at times, he still has desire which you can see in his game. On the flipside you have Knox who has all the physical attributes to be great but the desire is clearly not there. Hopefully we can get some inside knowledge about him from RJ since they are really close.
I think the weaker the front office the crappier the shoot basically is. With the guys that Rose has brought in, there's a good track record of being able to ID the value guys at any draft spot so I'm very positive heading into the upcoming draft. Definitely more so in previous years.
I mean the scary thing is that the best drafting front office the Knicks have had in the nearly the past 4 decades has probably been the one lead by this man...
Part of it is that Thomas' one front office skill appeared to be drafting guys, especially guys in the 2nd half of the 1st round when it's not so obvious. But part of it is just a stark reality that the Knicks have squandered A LOT of possible avenues to correct this franchise (between trading away picks and making the wrong picks).
I think having the new regime, Thibs and Payne will help the young guys, especially the young guys that have been struggling a lot (Knox, DSJr). Let's put it this way, I don't think there will be as much wasted time as there has been in the past. Either they will be able to get the best out of all these guys or they won't, but it will be quick and to the point. Both Thibs and Payne are to the point guys with the personalities to both get a lot of respect but also to let players know that they won't take any gump. Plus having Payne who does connect real well apparently with guys that may be lost, should expedite whatever future these guys have.
So I expect finality (one way or another) with most of these guys coming sooner rather than later. And that's a good thing. Hard for a franchise to move on or know where to go if there's a lot of uncertainty and unanswered questions flying around. Either these guys will be able to handle Thibs and Payne and excel, or they won't and likely be jettisoned (no one is locked into long term deals). Then whoever remains, you move forward with under a much better front office.