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Post#1222 » by cgmw » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:10 pm

Knox gets killed on this board, but dude has gotten a raw deal playing behind Randle, Portis, and Mook with Fizdale playing him at SG at one point.

I’m really hoping the Kentucky contingent rolls with Knox this year for better or worse. Feature the kid and see what happens. What’s the downside?

Would love to see some minutes for a small lineup of Obi, Knox, RJ, Quickley, Frank.
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Post#1223 » by mpharris36 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:11 pm

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berman basically saying, don't fall for the okie doke. they just couldn't get anybody to take their money. well damn.

The Knicks entered free agency with a league-high $40 million in cap space and with heady visions. They wanted to be a major playoff threat in coach Tom Thibodeau’s first season and bring glamour back to the Garden – even if it might be empty for the 36-game home schedule.

That is why they drafted a more ready-made forward in native New Yorker Obi Toppin, age 22, over Israeli project forward Deni Avdija, 19, when both surprisingly dropped to No. 8.

Avdija, a playmaking forward, could be the next…Gordon Hayward. The Israeli had his fans in the Knicks organization.

The Knicks acted like a title contender on Wednesday’s draft night when they wanted to keep open a roster spot for free agency and decided to hastily trade the 33rd pick in the draft – which most executives covet – for a 2023 second-round pick. They had little time to wheel as all their targets came off the board, including Duke center Vernon Carey Jr. at 32.

Those are not the actions of a rebuilding team, but one looking to turn around its miserable fortunes right away in a hurried, chaotic 2020-21 season. They wanted to give star-caliber coach Thibodeau, who usually doesn’t covet rookies, the best chance.

As it unfolded on Blue Saturday, the Knicks went from potentially being a legit playoff contender (10 teams qualify in each conference) to competing for the No. 1 lottery seed in the 2021 draft with a chance at 6-7 combo guard Cade Cunningham of Oklahoma State. He’s the NBA’s Trevor Lawrence.

Things can change, of course, if Russell Westbrook happens. Suddenly, the three years, $131 million left on his contract doesn’t look so unappealing for the 32-year-old point guard. If the Knicks decide to go after it, they’d only execute a trade for a big discount.

The dreamboat scenario for Rose’s squad was using much of their cap space to sign DJ Augustin to start at point guard and Gordon Hayward and Carmelo Anthony to plug in as the forwards.

The Post has learned once the Knicks found out recently that point guard Fred VanVleet only had eyes on staying in Toronto to continue his close bond with backcourt mate Kyle Lowry, Augustin became their top priority at PG.

Don’t believe a published report the Knicks were not willing to give VanVleet the four years, $85 million the Raptors offered. Sources say they would have done it in a heartbeat.

But that’s irrelevant. VanVleet wanted to stay. The bigger issue is why they couldn’t land Augustin. Knicks GM Scott Perry, according to sources, adored Augustin when he had him in Orlando. Augustin is not a Creative Artists Agency client and Rose did not have the edge.


Augustin signed with the powerful Milwaukee Bucks for three years, $21 million. The Knicks would have had to massively overpay.

Thibodeau considered his former Minnesota PG, Jeff Teague, as a possibility but he wasn’t too high on the list and they let him sign with Boston for one year.

Ultimately, the staff didn’t think it was too much of an upgrade over CAA-controlled Elfrid Payton, their starting point guard in 2019-20, who inked a new one-year, $5 million deal.

Yes, Perry still is in love with Payton, whom he drafted in Orlando.

The biggest downer was not being able to get Hayward to New York. They were not willing to risk Hayward’s injury history by coming close to matching Charlotte’s four-year, $120 million offer.

The Knicks entered free agency feeling they could sign Hayward for two years. Hayward’s pact was a major overpay by Charlotte. Plus, Hayward had some interest but it didn’t seem the former Butler forward really wanted to be here. His hometown Pacers were his top choice.



So far, the Knicks just haven’t bolstered the roster in a significant way on the first two days of free agency, What does it say when even Anthony preferred to be on a playoff team in Portland and repay the Blazers for resuscitating his career than New York? Anthony had to say no to his beloved former agent. So did former Rose client Chris Paul, whose addition originally was Plan A-plus before he was traded to the Suns.

Those events actually might be the best two things not to happen. On Blue Saturday. Rose got saved from himself. Tank on.



Basically. They didn't expect no one to be interest in NY. No one is until they get into the position and realize they have to pay just as much as small market teams because they stink.

The only thing they did slightly better is they didn't panic yet. They only signed small expiring deals instead of deals like randle, portis...but they do still have 30mm left so they could still do something stupid I suppose but there is really no difference maker left on the market to pay.

Outside of maybe Bogdan which I wouldn't have an issue with signing. He's a good player.
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Post#1224 » by god shammgod » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:12 pm

obi & knox together in the frontcourt. jesus. why not just sit on the floor when the other team has the ball.
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Post#1225 » by Capn'O » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:12 pm

snadler wrote:So if you believe Berman the plan was to compete and nobody wanted the Knicks money even Augustin..like ive been saying having cap space and winning 20 games continually and nobody is taking the money, you have to start putting a winning product on the floor and change the perception of being the laughing stock of the nba


The way out of it is not by throwing bags at the Hardaways and the Randles of the worlds. It comes through the draft and trades and identifying smaller future assets in free agency. Unless something dramatic is coming, we at least kept our cap this year to facilitate such moves.
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Post#1226 » by Jeffrey » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:13 pm

snadler wrote:So if you believe Berman the plan was to compete and nobody wanted the Knicks money even Augustin..like ive been saying having cap space and winning 20 games continually and nobody is taking the money, you have to start putting a winning product on the floor and change the perception of being the laughing stock of the nba


Agree, tell that to tank commanders. The team needs to take some sort of step and I don't know if this is a good time to do that but w need to do it at some point.
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Post#1227 » by Ray Williams » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:13 pm

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SARGO127 wrote:Randle would be good as a 4th or 5th option. He can't be a top option.

He thinks he’s the best player on the team. Wait until he sees how easily And efficiently Obi scores. He’s not passing to him either.


If Obi destroys Randle in practice, how can Thibs not start him?
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Post#1228 » by GONYK » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:14 pm

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god shammgod wrote:
Triple C wrote:
Read on Twitter


berman basically saying, don't fall for the okie doke. they just couldn't get anybody to take their money. well damn.

The Knicks entered free agency with a league-high $40 million in cap space and with heady visions. They wanted to be a major playoff threat in coach Tom Thibodeau’s first season and bring glamour back to the Garden – even if it might be empty for the 36-game home schedule.

That is why they drafted a more ready-made forward in native New Yorker Obi Toppin, age 22, over Israeli project forward Deni Avdija, 19, when both surprisingly dropped to No. 8.

Avdija, a playmaking forward, could be the next…Gordon Hayward. The Israeli had his fans in the Knicks organization.

The Knicks acted like a title contender on Wednesday’s draft night when they wanted to keep open a roster spot for free agency and decided to hastily trade the 33rd pick in the draft – which most executives covet – for a 2023 second-round pick. They had little time to wheel as all their targets came off the board, including Duke center Vernon Carey Jr. at 32.

Those are not the actions of a rebuilding team, but one looking to turn around its miserable fortunes right away in a hurried, chaotic 2020-21 season. They wanted to give star-caliber coach Thibodeau, who usually doesn’t covet rookies, the best chance.

As it unfolded on Blue Saturday, the Knicks went from potentially being a legit playoff contender (10 teams qualify in each conference) to competing for the No. 1 lottery seed in the 2021 draft with a chance at 6-7 combo guard Cade Cunningham of Oklahoma State. He’s the NBA’s Trevor Lawrence.

Things can change, of course, if Russell Westbrook happens. Suddenly, the three years, $131 million left on his contract doesn’t look so unappealing for the 32-year-old point guard. If the Knicks decide to go after it, they’d only execute a trade for a big discount.

The dreamboat scenario for Rose’s squad was using much of their cap space to sign DJ Augustin to start at point guard and Gordon Hayward and Carmelo Anthony to plug in as the forwards.

The Post has learned once the Knicks found out recently that point guard Fred VanVleet only had eyes on staying in Toronto to continue his close bond with backcourt mate Kyle Lowry, Augustin became their top priority at PG.

Don’t believe a published report the Knicks were not willing to give VanVleet the four years, $85 million the Raptors offered. Sources say they would have done it in a heartbeat.

But that’s irrelevant. VanVleet wanted to stay. The bigger issue is why they couldn’t land Augustin. Knicks GM Scott Perry, according to sources, adored Augustin when he had him in Orlando. Augustin is not a Creative Artists Agency client and Rose did not have the edge.


Augustin signed with the powerful Milwaukee Bucks for three years, $21 million. The Knicks would have had to massively overpay.

Thibodeau considered his former Minnesota PG, Jeff Teague, as a possibility but he wasn’t too high on the list and they let him sign with Boston for one year.

Ultimately, the staff didn’t think it was too much of an upgrade over CAA-controlled Elfrid Payton, their starting point guard in 2019-20, who inked a new one-year, $5 million deal.

Yes, Perry still is in love with Payton, whom he drafted in Orlando.

The biggest downer was not being able to get Hayward to New York. They were not willing to risk Hayward’s injury history by coming close to matching Charlotte’s four-year, $120 million offer.

The Knicks entered free agency feeling they could sign Hayward for two years. Hayward’s pact was a major overpay by Charlotte. Plus, Hayward had some interest but it didn’t seem the former Butler forward really wanted to be here. His hometown Pacers were his top choice.



So far, the Knicks just haven’t bolstered the roster in a significant way on the first two days of free agency, What does it say when even Anthony preferred to be on a playoff team in Portland and repay the Blazers for resuscitating his career than New York? Anthony had to say no to his beloved former agent. So did former Rose client Chris Paul, whose addition originally was Plan A-plus before he was traded to the Suns.

Those events actually might be the best two things not to happen. On Blue Saturday. Rose got saved from himself. Tank on.



Basically. They didn't expect no one to be interest in NY. No one is until they get into the position and realize they have to pay just as much as small market teams because they stink.

The only thing they did slightly better is they didn't panic yet. They only signed small expiring deals instead of deals like randle, portis...but they do still have 30mm left so they could still do something stupid I suppose but there is really no difference maker left on the market to pay.

Outside of maybe Bogdan which I wouldn't have an issue with signing. He's a good player.
Sitting on your hands and doing nothing doesn't require competence though.

Trading away the the 33rd pick to preserve a roster spot for all the FAs you thought you were going to sign is straight up embarrassing.

Where is the creativity? The vision?
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Post#1229 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:15 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:Don't even bother signing the last spot. Leave it open until all of the teams looking to do S&T deals to get their guy. We could help out for assets.

I really hope Thibs doesn't run all of the vets all of the time. He is known for short rotations and grinding players into dust. I really can't be optimistic at this point because...well... I'm not a sucker. I usually go in with patience and hope. Elfrid Payton really took all of that out of me. THE worst!!!

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Knicks should be cutting Davis and/or trading Randle with Frank or DSJr and opening up 2 more roster spots, since I'm assuming Randle/Frank or DSJr are moved for one player.

Payton is a PG. Frank or DSJr are a PG. Quickly is a combo guard. Burks has combo guard skills. Knicks have 1 PG too many right now, for no reason.
Moving one rationalizes the minutes for those that are left/possibly opens up some minutes at PG for Quickly, though I'd rather see him be the backup SG, and start eventually, though it might take 40 games.
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Post#1230 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:15 pm

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Dantares wrote:Randle for Bogdanovic sign and trade please. Randle played well for Luke Walton.


Serious question.

Do you want Bogdanovic on your cap for 3 or 4 years at roughly 20 million per?

Because he's 28 years old. He's got this one chance to really get paid in the NBA. He's not taking 10 million, and based on what guys like Bertans or Woods got, at about 14 and 16, I think Bogs tries hard to exceed that as he's a little older/proven better.

Folks were balking at FVV for 24/25 million even though it solved PG for a while, as the price was "too high" for what he brought. And while Bogs IS good, he's sort of an all around skilled glue guy. Does a rebuilding team "solve" SG for 4 years and 20 million with that player?

I can see a case for yes and no.

It would certainly feel EMOTIONALLY better that the Knicks came away in FA with a player who is an actual part of the future instead another year of placeholders, even if this group of placeholders makes more sense fit and $ wise.

I vote "yes".

At the moment this seems to be an almost identical re-run of last year without the team options. All of the vets need selfish playing time as the all have to find new contracts next year. People have fantasies about trading them for picks to contenders at the trade deadline. Only Marcus Morris evinced any interest at all out of the seven-nine players in that situation last year. And to put those players in the shop window means emphasising their playing time over the people on rookie contracts - some of whom at least may have some kind of future with the Knicks past summer 2021. Seems like an utterly abysmal strategy to me. But, hey.

Signing Bogdan would at least allow some stability for the likes of RJ and Obi. And he's levels better than Burks and Bullock.
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Post#1231 » by god shammgod » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:15 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
Triple C wrote:
Read on Twitter


berman basically saying, don't fall for the okie doke. they just couldn't get anybody to take their money. well damn.

The Knicks entered free agency with a league-high $40 million in cap space and with heady visions. They wanted to be a major playoff threat in coach Tom Thibodeau’s first season and bring glamour back to the Garden – even if it might be empty for the 36-game home schedule.

That is why they drafted a more ready-made forward in native New Yorker Obi Toppin, age 22, over Israeli project forward Deni Avdija, 19, when both surprisingly dropped to No. 8.

Avdija, a playmaking forward, could be the next…Gordon Hayward. The Israeli had his fans in the Knicks organization.

The Knicks acted like a title contender on Wednesday’s draft night when they wanted to keep open a roster spot for free agency and decided to hastily trade the 33rd pick in the draft – which most executives covet – for a 2023 second-round pick. They had little time to wheel as all their targets came off the board, including Duke center Vernon Carey Jr. at 32.

Those are not the actions of a rebuilding team, but one looking to turn around its miserable fortunes right away in a hurried, chaotic 2020-21 season. They wanted to give star-caliber coach Thibodeau, who usually doesn’t covet rookies, the best chance.

As it unfolded on Blue Saturday, the Knicks went from potentially being a legit playoff contender (10 teams qualify in each conference) to competing for the No. 1 lottery seed in the 2021 draft with a chance at 6-7 combo guard Cade Cunningham of Oklahoma State. He’s the NBA’s Trevor Lawrence.

Things can change, of course, if Russell Westbrook happens. Suddenly, the three years, $131 million left on his contract doesn’t look so unappealing for the 32-year-old point guard. If the Knicks decide to go after it, they’d only execute a trade for a big discount.

The dreamboat scenario for Rose’s squad was using much of their cap space to sign DJ Augustin to start at point guard and Gordon Hayward and Carmelo Anthony to plug in as the forwards.

The Post has learned once the Knicks found out recently that point guard Fred VanVleet only had eyes on staying in Toronto to continue his close bond with backcourt mate Kyle Lowry, Augustin became their top priority at PG.

Don’t believe a published report the Knicks were not willing to give VanVleet the four years, $85 million the Raptors offered. Sources say they would have done it in a heartbeat.

But that’s irrelevant. VanVleet wanted to stay. The bigger issue is why they couldn’t land Augustin. Knicks GM Scott Perry, according to sources, adored Augustin when he had him in Orlando. Augustin is not a Creative Artists Agency client and Rose did not have the edge.


Augustin signed with the powerful Milwaukee Bucks for three years, $21 million. The Knicks would have had to massively overpay.

Thibodeau considered his former Minnesota PG, Jeff Teague, as a possibility but he wasn’t too high on the list and they let him sign with Boston for one year.

Ultimately, the staff didn’t think it was too much of an upgrade over CAA-controlled Elfrid Payton, their starting point guard in 2019-20, who inked a new one-year, $5 million deal.

Yes, Perry still is in love with Payton, whom he drafted in Orlando.

The biggest downer was not being able to get Hayward to New York. They were not willing to risk Hayward’s injury history by coming close to matching Charlotte’s four-year, $120 million offer.

The Knicks entered free agency feeling they could sign Hayward for two years. Hayward’s pact was a major overpay by Charlotte. Plus, Hayward had some interest but it didn’t seem the former Butler forward really wanted to be here. His hometown Pacers were his top choice.



So far, the Knicks just haven’t bolstered the roster in a significant way on the first two days of free agency, What does it say when even Anthony preferred to be on a playoff team in Portland and repay the Blazers for resuscitating his career than New York? Anthony had to say no to his beloved former agent. So did former Rose client Chris Paul, whose addition originally was Plan A-plus before he was traded to the Suns.

Those events actually might be the best two things not to happen. On Blue Saturday. Rose got saved from himself. Tank on.



Basically. They didn't expect no one to be interest in NY. No one is until they get into the position and realize they have to pay just as much as small market teams because they stink.

The only thing they did slightly better is they didn't panic yet. They only signed small expiring deals instead of deals like randle, portis...but they do still have 30mm left so they could still do something stupid I suppose but there is really no difference maker left on the market to pay.

Outside of maybe Bogdan which I wouldn't have an issue with signing. He's a good player.


so what ? it's pointless now. this isn't a playoff team with him or without him. he can only hurt us.
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Post#1232 » by Dantares » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:16 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Dantares wrote:Randle for Bogdanovic sign and trade please. Randle played well for Luke Walton.


Serious question.

Do you want Bogdanovic on your cap for 3 or 4 years at roughly 20 million per?

Because he's 28 years old. He's got this one chance to really get paid in the NBA. He's not taking 10 million, and based on what guys like Bertans or Woods got, at about 14 and 16, I think Bogs tries hard to exceed that as he's a little older/proven better.

Folks were balking at FVV for 24/25 million even though it solved PG for a while, as the price was "too high" for what he brought. And while Bogs IS good, he's sort of an all around skilled glue guy. Does a rebuilding team "solve" SG for 4 years and 20 million with that player?

I can see a case for yes and no.

It would certainly feel EMOTIONALLY better that the Knicks came away in FA with a player who is an actual part of the future instead another year of placeholders, even if this group of placeholders makes more sense fit and $ wise.


Yes because he fits with RJ. High IQ, versatile, can handle the ball and takes and makes 3's on volume. Hawks are rumored to be offering 72/4 yrs, Knicks could beat that offer. Knicks offering 75/4 yrs seems reasonable. especially when you can make the contract decline by 8% every yr

Year 1: 21 million
Year 2: 19.32 million
Year 3: 17.77 million
Year 4: 16.35 million

Very move-able deal in years 3 and 4 given his fit and talent in the modern NBA.
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Post#1233 » by GONYK » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:17 pm

god shammgod wrote:obi & knox together in the frontcourt. jesus. why not just sit on the floor when the other team has the ball.
I remember a few years back, Vivek Ranadive said that the analytics made sense to have only 4 players on defense and leaving one to exclusively cherry pick.

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Post#1234 » by snadler » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:18 pm

So rose thibs and world wide despite many giving them credit for not doing anything, tried and failed like everyone before them..so nothing has changed with this franchise except who’s getting Dolan’s money
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Post#1235 » by 30andoverclub » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:19 pm

snadler wrote:So if you believe Berman the plan was to compete and nobody wanted the Knicks money even Augustin..like ive been saying having cap space and winning 20 games continually and nobody is taking the money, you have to start putting a winning product on the floor and change the perception of being the laughing stock of the nba

Too bad what Berman said (and your conclusion) is nonsense.

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Post#1236 » by KnicksFan7 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:19 pm

This year will go down as a "flop" in free agency, but I don't look at it that way. Payton aside, which honestly, I don't even really consider that as an end of the world signing, we did alright.

As for the major players in FA, I think NY did try to get these free agents, and once they saw the value of the contracts that were being dealt, they pulled the plug on their own. We'd be roasted if we gave out $120/4 to Hayward. We weren't going to overpay for FVV either. Remember, up until the FA period, it was being said that he may not be the guy to lead a team. He needs others around him to be effective. We didn't have those pieces.

Everyone is saying get rid of Randle, but let's be real with ourselves, he has no trade value. It's easy for us to say Randle for X or Randle for Y. But if there's no value, nobody will take him.

All of this is an indictment of the previous regime. Not Rose and Company. We won't get a full picture of the new FO until 2021.

That's just my take.
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Post#1237 » by snadler » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:19 pm

They are tanking not by choice..but as a result of failure
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Post#1238 » by Are We Ther Yet » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:19 pm

god shammgod wrote:so knicks wanted -

mitch
melo
hayward
rj
augustin

with obi off the bench


No. Berman did.
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Post#1239 » by god shammgod » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:20 pm

GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
berman basically saying, don't fall for the okie doke. they just couldn't get anybody to take their money. well damn.




Basically. They didn't expect no one to be interest in NY. No one is until they get into the position and realize they have to pay just as much as small market teams because they stink.

The only thing they did slightly better is they didn't panic yet. They only signed small expiring deals instead of deals like randle, portis...but they do still have 30mm left so they could still do something stupid I suppose but there is really no difference maker left on the market to pay.

Outside of maybe Bogdan which I wouldn't have an issue with signing. He's a good player.
Sitting on your hands and doing nothing doesn't require competence though.

Trading away the the 33rd pick to preserve a roster spot for all the FAs you thought you were going to sign is straight up embarrassing.

Where is the creativity? The vision?


worst than that may be drafting based on guys who are ready to play now. even the undrafted kid they picked up wasn't some raw talent who they thought they could maybe develop for a few years in the g-league. he's 23.
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Re: Rumors and Discussion Thread (NYK and NBA) V - Elfrid Payton Sucks 

Post#1240 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:21 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:Still no tables on this site :sigh: , so here are the rosters for last year and this year (as currently is) 'matched up'

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Dennis Smith        PG      Dennis Smith       PG
Frank Ntilikina     PG      Frank Ntilikina    PG
Elfrid Payton       PG      Elfrid Payton      PG
   
Reggie Bullock      SG      Reggie Bullock     SG
Wayne Ellington     SG      Alec Burks         SG
Allonzo Trier       SG      Immanuel Quickley  SG/PG(?)
Damyean Dotson      SG      ---
   
RJ Barrett          SG/SF   RJ Barrett         SG/SF
Ignas Brazdeikis    SF      Ignas Brazdeikis   SF
M.Morris/M.Harkless SF      ---
   
---                         Obi Toppin         PF
Kevin Knox          SF/PF   Kevin Knox         SF/PF
Julius Randle       PF      Julius Randle      PF
   
Bobby Portis        PF/C    Nerlens Noel       C
Taj Gibson          C/PF    Ed Davis           C/PF
Mitchell Robinson   C       Mitchell Robinson  C


Knicks absolutely upgraded the SG position, even if it's in a low key way.
All Ellington did was race around curls like a cat on fire and then shoot bricks. Burks is an all round combo guard who plays within the team concept.
Trier is a more talented all around scorer than Quickly, but Quickly seems to project as a much better shooter, with possible better PG skills and again, that Kentucky thing of "I'll do what I have to for the team". Also, not a chucklehead like Trier.

SF needs work. Even though Bullocks is healthy and provides SF depth and some SG depth with Burks, I think the most LOGICAL kinds of moves are either trading Randle and one PG for a better PG - like Westbrook or MAYBE Rozier or for a SG, ideally in a S&T for Bogdan, though I'm not sure he's worth the 20 million per he'll wind up getting. Or not that he's not worth it, but should the Knicks do it. See THJr, only not as awful.

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