PG: Tank L Kids W

[Adelheid]

Grizzlies win handily again without Ja. Just OT.

Keeping the OT going

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I see why they still pay Haslem

to guard spoelstra's azz and be an enforcer of the team

[thebuzzardman]

Agree strongly with this post. Particularly the first five words. Also the rest of it is pretty reasonable as well. But .. just as a thought experiment .. why not think about using your players to make the most of them, as a coach? Just an idea.

It's an issue for Thibs and why someone suggested at least one of them should go, since he won't use Randle in his best way.
I think Thibs is a moron, but I think Randle is also pretty allergic to change.
Probably best if both go.

Johnny Bryant promoted to head coach
Mitch S&T'd for Brunson
Randle and picks etc for Zion.

All the rumors into one place.

Brunson/Rose
RJ/Grimes
Cam/Fournier
Zion/MLE vet
Sims/Taj

40 somewhat exciting wins

This is fine as a plan (not quibbling about the details - I think Cam probably goes to Dallas in a Brunson-Mitch double s'n't, but w/e). However, whilst I agree that Randle in the moment doesn't seem particularly flexible I strongly suspect that is mainly down to Thibs with a good side portion of whatever discussions Randle and his agent and the FO had last off season .. about (as speculated by Cohen/Macri) taking less money to be the leader of building something great at the Garden etc etc. Changing direction there is probably somewhat complicated, but I don't think Randle per se would be that against it if anyone with a clue was actually telling/asking him what he should be doing to help the team more. Unfortunately, I just don't see this happening. Thibs will be here again next year and the FO will probably be just doubling down.

Yeah, I'm just having a moment in the euphoria of the fun win.

Knicks will draft a PF, not trade for a PG and use the MLE on another C.

Burks/Rose/McBride
Fournier/IQ/Grimes
RJ/Cam
Randle/Obi/2022 1st round pick
Noel/Mitch/Taj/Sims/MLE vet

Still one roster spot left over.

[F N 11]

Grizzlies win handily again without Ja. Just OT.

Keeping the OT going

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I see why they still pay Haslem

Damnnnn The 2 OG’s Haslem and PJ not rocking with Jimmy on this one and Spo was not having it. Jimmy swear he the only alpha living.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Even though Burks is a SG who can fill in at PG, and Fournier is a SG who can see some time at SF, I still stand by trade one, and really, it should be Burks.

Knicks should trade or draft a point, which makes Burks expendable and get Fournier into a 6th man role where he gets 28-30 minutes a game.

And ... we're back to the Brunson trade. With the double Sign-and-trade with Mitch and then a boat load of salary needs to be added on each side under the CBA .. so it looks something like:

Brunson, Bertans, Burke for Robinson, Burks, Reddish, Kemba and Mavs 2023 pick. Knicks could ask for Dwight Powell and two of Frank, Boban and Chriss instead of Bertans, but that means giving up more draft picks.

Does it have to be a double if Mitch gets 15 million per? Mitch and one player for Brunson and filler. And Knicks send a pick.

Yeah. Sadly it doesn't work like that.

Let's say Brunson will make 20 and Mitch 15.

From the Mavs pov they are taking in 15m and shipping out 10m (the outgoing s'n't counts for half the salary for the team shipping the player out).

From the Knicks pov they are taking in 20m and shipping out 7.5m.

Don't ask me why. It's just the CBA rules. (I mean, there is a historical explanation as to how the rule ended up in place ... but not really relevant.)

Here's the kicker - you have to be in the 80%-125% of salary range in a trade. (Eg, if both teams over the cap - which they would be.) With just Brunson for Mitch, neither side would be kosher - both would be taking in more than 125% of the what counts for the salary they are shipping out.

This is why you need to add plenty of salary on both sides of the trade (which count for 100% of their value both in and out) in order to "water down" the problem.

Ofc, you can choose other players, but those are ball park figures for a legal trade.

(Eg, after the Reddish trade, but before the Bertans-Dinwiddie/KP trade one legal trade I calculated was Brunson + Boban. Frank, Burke, Powell for Robinson + Burke, Reddish, Walker. This gives you some idea of minimal amounts of "side"-salary that need to be added to the trade.)

[K_ick_God]

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Thibs be wilding man

[KnixtapeH20]

Monica calling out how we use Obi

When was the last time this knicks media crew was this excited?

Wally even mentioned that the ball doesn't stop with Obi like it does with Randle. He actually said the word stagnant and sticks when talking about Randle I almost died.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Found Kermit79 & 3tothehead’s Burner acct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

Do they still do the replay? B/C I will be taping it if they do

They have websites for that. They get those games uploaded expeditiously too.

The Knicks game is already up

Play, pause, fast forward, download..whatever

Is there one that has complete games? PM me if so.
I had one a couple of years ago, but they broke the games up by quarter...I think. Something was annoying about the site.

[F N 11]

Thibs going to the front office to trade for Jimmy.

[G_K_F]

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My boy

Anybody could put up numbers on 40 minutes

Ok.

He shot 11 times and was 8-11. 11 rebounds and 6 assists. Efficient. That’s all he needs to be.

[Adelheid]

Monica calling out how we use Obi

When was the last time this knicks media crew was this excited?

Wally even mentioned that the ball doesn't stop with Obi like it does with Randle. He actually said the word stagnant and sticks when talking about Randle I almost died.

these personalities arent dumb as ****; just felt like they themselves have to cover up for their boss' team players

[thebuzzardman]

And ... we're back to the Brunson trade. With the double Sign-and-trade with Mitch and then a boat load of salary needs to be added on each side under the CBA .. so it looks something like:

Brunson, Bertans, Burke for Robinson, Burks, Reddish, Kemba and Mavs 2023 pick. Knicks could ask for Dwight Powell and two of Frank, Boban and Chriss instead of Bertans, but that means giving up more draft picks.

Does it have to be a double if Mitch gets 15 million per? Mitch and one player for Brunson and filler. And Knicks send a pick.

Yeah. Sadly it doesn't work like that.

Let's say Brunson will make 20 and Mitch 15.

From the Mavs pov they are taking in 15m and shipping out 10m (the outgoing s'n't counts for half the salary for the team shipping the player out).

From the Knicks pov they are taking in 20m and shipping out 7.5m.

Don't ask me why. It's just the CBA rules. (I mean, there is a historical explanation as to how the rule ended up in place ... but not rally relevant.)

Here's the kicker - you have to be in the 80%-125% of salary range in a trade. (Eg, if both teams over the cap - which they would be) With just Brunson for Mitch, neither side would be kosher - both would be taking in more than 125% of the what counts for the salary they are shipping out.

This is why you need to add plenty of salary on both sides of the trade (which count for 100% of their value both in and out) in order to "water down" the problem.

Ofc, you can choose other players, but those are ball park figures for a legal trade.

(Eg, after the Reddish trade, but before the Bertans-Dinwiddie/KP trade one legal trade I calculated was Brunson + Boban. Frank, Burke, Powell for Robinson + Burke, Reddish, Walker. This gives you some idea of minimal amounts of "side"-salary that need to be added to the trade.)

That's the part I always forget. Thanks!

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

It's an issue for Thibs and why someone suggested at least one of them should go, since he won't use Randle in his best way.
I think Thibs is a moron, but I think Randle is also pretty allergic to change.
Probably best if both go.

Johnny Bryant promoted to head coach
Mitch S&T'd for Brunson
Randle and picks etc for Zion.

All the rumors into one place.

Brunson/Rose
RJ/Grimes
Cam/Fournier
Zion/MLE vet
Sims/Taj

40 somewhat exciting wins

This is fine as a plan (not quibbling about the details - I think Cam probably goes to Dallas in a Brunson-Mitch double s'n't, but w/e). However, whilst I agree that Randle in the moment doesn't seem particularly flexible I strongly suspect that is mainly down to Thibs with a good side portion of whatever discussions Randle and his agent and the FO had last off season .. about (as speculated by Cohen/Macri) taking less money to be the leader of building something great at the Garden etc etc. Changing direction there is probably somewhat complicated, but I don't think Randle per se would be that against it if anyone with a clue was actually telling/asking him what he should be doing to help the team more. Unfortunately, I just don't see this happening. Thibs will be here again next year and the FO will probably be just doubling down.

Yeah, I'm just having a moment in the euphoria of the fun win.

Totally understandable

Knicks will draft a PF, not trade for a PG and use the MLE on another C.

Burks/Rose/McBride
Fournier/IQ/Grimes
RJ/Cam
Randle/Obi/2022 1st round pick
Noel/Mitch/Taj/Sims/MLE vet

Still one roster spot left over.

I'm not quite that pessimistic, but, whilst I'm a big Mitch fan, I can see this FO just letting him walk (to Detroit). And try to do something cute with the 9th pick overall. Like trade for the 12th and 27th and a 2RP next year.

[Fat Kat]

I don't trust Zion body holding up, I wouldn't trade for him.

Knicks have to do their due diligence on precisely why he has a conditioning problem. We cannot have a repeat of the Eddy Curry scenario. If Zion is doing this to get out of NO, that's one thing. But if he lacks the mental discipline to take care of his body...stay away.

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My boy

Anybody could put up numbers on 40 minutes

Ok.

He shot 11 times and was 8-11. 11 rebounds and 6 assists. Efficient. That’s all he needs to be.

I was being sarcastic my bad hahah. That’s how people be sounding when they talk about RJ.

[K_ick_God]

I am a Mitch fan and I kind of like IQ too, trolling aside, but I think I'd rather develop Jericho and Obi than keep Mitch.

Jericho to me looks like he can develop some offense and has a good head about him.

Easier to say this now than to let Mitch go, but just saying.

Then I'd use all the picks to either get Zion or dump Randle, Fournier, Burks and Noel. Okay you're not getting rid of all that but most of it needs to go.

[KnixtapeH20]

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Watching live I was stunned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't see it like that they even started the post game with Wally talking about the ball doesn't stick with Obi and doesnt become stagnant like it does with Randle bc he's dribbling the ball in iso.

Here I just rewound it so I could get exactly what he said...

"They were phenomenal w.o Julius Randle they struggled in games he hasnt played so far this season but in this one the ball movement was tremendous, Obi Toppin comes up with 18/11/6 very efficient hes not gona stop the ball hes gona get buckets off cuts, hes not gona hold it go 1 on 1, thats Randle's game when hes dominating his matchup it's fine but at times it can take other guys out of the flow of the offense bc the ball stops when he gets it. Obi does a great just of just scoring within the flow, great cutting great slashing"

[Oscirus]

knicks couldnt stop hernan-gomez from being fat , people really think the knicks wouldnt enable zion?

[Marty McFly]

Leon is a dumbass for not trading Randle this past off season/trade deadline after drafting Obi two off seasons ago.

[8516knicks]

Knew they'd add another meaningless victory. The spirit of Maurice Ndour burns bright with this group!