I bet Zeke pushed for Jennings....

[basaglia]

Look at that roster. Not one defender. Walsh is trying to get Jeffries back because he knows it.

Mozgov, Turiaf, Randolph, Azibuike, Felton and Douglas all call you an idiot.

Not one is a good defender. All you did was name some guys.

[hobojoe2131]

Look at that roster. Not one defender. Walsh is trying to get Jeffries back because he knows it.

Mozgov, Turiaf, Randolph, Azibuike, Felton and Douglas all call you an idiot.

Not one is a good defender. All you did was name some guys.

as someone posted before...

/credibility

[NyKnicks1714]

I bet Zeke pushed for Jennings...

I bet Zeke would have drafted Andrew Bynum instead of Channing Frye if he was the GM in 2005. Heck, considering he was a PG and he had an eye for talent, I'm sure he would have traded up (using a couple of future first round picks) to acquire Deron Williams or Chris Paul's rights. I'm sure a talent evalatuator like Isiah would never have traded two future lottery picks for Eddy Curry. He would have used those picks for Deron or Paul. And if he was the GM in 2006, I'm sure he would have drafted Rondo instead of Balkman. Same for Aaron Brooks in 2007. Zeke would never have passed on a PG like that. Too bad he wasn't the GM at the time, with a PG like Zeke, I'm sure he would never have passed on the chance to pick Deron, Paul, Rondo or Brooks. It can't be. He's just too good of a talent evaluator. No way he would have drafted PGs like Mardy Collins and Nate Robinson. I'm sure Zeke is also telling Dolan he would have picked Deron, Paul, Rondo or Brooks. Just like he would have picked Jenning if he was the GM.

Yup, there is NOTHING to suggest that Isiah would have picked Jennings.

[basaglia]

I bet Zeke pushed for Jennings...

I bet Zeke would have drafted Andrew Bynum instead of Channing Frye if he was the GM in 2005. Heck, considering he was a PG and he had an eye for talent, I'm sure he would have traded up (using a couple of future first round picks) to acquire Deron Williams or Chris Paul's rights. I'm sure a talent evalatuator like Isiah would never have traded two future lottery picks for Eddy Curry. He would have used those picks for Deron or Paul. And if he was the GM in 2006, I'm sure he would have drafted Rondo instead of Balkman. Same for Aaron Brooks in 2007. Zeke would never have passed on a PG like that. Too bad he wasn't the GM at the time, with a PG like Zeke, I'm sure he would never have passed on the chance to pick Deron, Paul, Rondo or Brooks. It can't be. He's just too good of a talent evaluator. No way he would have drafted PGs like Mardy Collins and Nate Robinson. I'm sure Zeke is also telling Dolan he would have picked Deron, Paul, Rondo or Brooks. Just like he would have picked Jenning if he was the GM.

there goes that lie again. Go through the board archives and the New York papers. Rajon Rondo was not the guy Zeke passed on. The guy he passed on, the one guys like YOU wanted him to draft, was Marcus Williams out of Uconn, who, just as Zeke suspected, turned out to be a ceritified SCRUB!

Why is everyone looking to Rondo to save face for wanting Marcus Williams? Zeke has just taken Nate to back Marbury, who was actually not crazy in summer 2006, believe it or not, and still had a future with the Knicks.

You know who actually "passed" on Rondo? Walsh and Bird of the PACERS.

[stuporman]

Fail

[basaglia]

Mozgov, Turiaf, Randolph, Azibuike, Felton and Douglas all call you an idiot.

Not one is a good defender. All you did was name some guys.[/quote]

as someone posted before...

/credibility[/quote]

I have no credibility, yet you named a bunch of guys not known for defense...at all. Like...AT ALL!

[hobojoe2131]

I bet Zeke pushed for Jennings...

I bet Zeke would have drafted Andrew Bynum instead of Channing Frye if he was the GM in 2005. Heck, considering he was a PG and he had an eye for talent, I'm sure he would have traded up (using a couple of future first round picks) to acquire Deron Williams or Chris Paul's rights. I'm sure a talent evalatuator like Isiah would never have traded two future lottery picks for Eddy Curry. He would have used those picks for Deron or Paul. And if he was the GM in 2006, I'm sure he would have drafted Rondo instead of Balkman. Same for Aaron Brooks in 2007. Zeke would never have passed on a PG like that. Too bad he wasn't the GM at the time, with a PG like Zeke, I'm sure he would never have passed on the chance to pick Deron, Paul, Rondo or Brooks. It can't be. He's just too good of a talent evaluator. No way he would have drafted PGs like Mardy Collins and Nate Robinson. I'm sure Zeke is also telling Dolan he would have picked Deron, Paul, Rondo or Brooks. Just like he would have picked Jenning if he was the GM.

there goes that lie again. Go through the board archives and the New York papers. Rajon Rondo was not the guy Zeke passed on. The guy he passed on, the one guys like YOU wanted him to draft, was Marcus Williams out of Uconn, who, just as Zeke suspected, turned out to be a ceritified SCRUB!

Why is everyone looking to Rondo to save face for wanting Marcus Williams? Zeke has just taken Nate to back Marbury, who was actually not crazy in summer 2006, believe it or not, and still had a future with the Knicks.

You know who actually "passed" on Rondo? Walsh and Bird of the PACERS.

Until Zeke comes out and says we were deciding between Williams and Balkman your argument makes absolutely no sense. And Bird was in charge of the Pacers at that time. So you fail x2

[hobojoe2131]

Mozgov, Turiaf, Randolph, Azibuike, Felton and Douglas all call you an idiot.

Not one is a good defender. All you did was name some guys.

as someone posted before...

/credibility[/quote]

I have no credibility, yet you named a bunch of guys not known for defense...at all. Like...AT ALL![/quote]

And statements like this are why you have no credibility.

[Stuckey-man]

there goes that lie again. Go through the board archives and the New York papers. Rajon Rondo was not the guy Zeke passed on. The guy he passed on, the one guys like YOU wanted him to draft, was Marcus Williams out of Uconn, who, just as Zeke suspected, turned out to be a ceritified SCRUB!

basaglia, I really don't blame you for this, because you're proven you're incapable of expressing a clear, coherent argument, but what some posters on this or any other board may have wanted Thomas to pick is completely beside any relevant point.

Are you evaluating Thomas' track record, or comparing him to fans on a message board?

Did he pass on Rondo, yes or no?

If all you have to defend Thomas is to point out that he passed on Marcus Williams, you're stuck in mud.

[blueNorange]

jennings is an undersized shooting guard who can't shoot.

[seren]

I bet Zeke pushed for Jennings...

I bet Zeke would have drafted Andrew Bynum instead of Channing Frye if he was the GM in 2005. Heck, considering he was a PG and he had an eye for talent, I'm sure he would have traded up (using a couple of future first round picks) to acquire Deron Williams or Chris Paul's rights. I'm sure a talent evalatuator like Isiah would never have traded two future lottery picks for Eddy Curry. He would have used those picks for Deron or Paul. And if he was the GM in 2006, I'm sure he would have drafted Rondo instead of Balkman. Same for Aaron Brooks in 2007. Zeke would never have passed on a PG like that. Too bad he wasn't the GM at the time, with a PG like Zeke, I'm sure he would never have passed on the chance to pick Deron, Paul, Rondo or Brooks. It can't be. He's just too good of a talent evaluator. No way he would have drafted PGs like Mardy Collins and Nate Robinson. I'm sure Zeke is also telling Dolan he would have picked Deron, Paul, Rondo or Brooks. Just like he would have picked Jenning if he was the GM.

there goes that lie again. Go through the board archives and the New York papers. Rajon Rondo was not the guy Zeke passed on. The guy he passed on, the one guys like YOU wanted him to draft, was Marcus Williams out of Uconn, who, just as Zeke suspected, turned out to be a ceritified SCRUB!

Why is everyone looking to Rondo to save face for wanting Marcus Williams? Zeke has just taken Nate to back Marbury, who was actually not crazy in summer 2006, believe it or not, and still had a future with the Knicks.

You know who actually "passed" on Rondo? Walsh and Bird of the PACERS.

So basically, Isiah is as good of a talent evaluater as the common board member who wanted Marcus Williams? Great...

[basaglia]

Until Zeke comes out and says we were deciding between Williams and Balkman your argument makes absolutely no sense. And Bird was in charge of the Pacers at that time. So you fail x2

Wrong again. First off, it doesn't matter if Zeke was specifically deciding between Williams and Balk. The FACT is RONDO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NO ONE WAS BEGGING HIM TO TAKE RONDO! But, you were begging him to take Marcus Williams. So, to turn around 4 and 5 years later, after Marcus is a BUM and Doc has molded Rondo into an All-Star, and say "Zeke shoulda taken Rondo" is disgusting and shows just how far some of you will go to blame Isiah for the Knicks 40+ years of FAILURE.

And Walsh, along with Bird, was in charge of the Pacers. Get over it. He had a hand in it.

[hobojoe2131]

Until Zeke comes out and says we were deciding between Williams and Balkman your argument makes absolutely no sense. And Bird was in charge of the Pacers at that time. So you fail x2

Wrong again. First off, it doesn't matter if Zeke was specifically deciding between Williams and Balk. The FACT is RONDO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NO ONE WAS BEGGING HIM TO TAKE RONDO! But, you were begging him to take Marcus Williams. So, to turn around 4 and 5 years later, after Marcus is a BUM and Doc has molded Rondo into an All-Star, and say "Zeke shoulda taken Rondo" is disgusting and shows just how far some of you will go to blame Isiah for the Knicks 40+ years of FAILURE.

And Walsh, along with Bird, was in charge of the Pacers. Get over it. He had a hand in it.

No you're wrong yet again. Your point makes no sense. Who gives a **** what you say on a message board? Fact is he passed on both of them. If he is so good, then he would have made the right pick.

[basaglia]

So basically, Isiah is as good of a talent evaluater as the common board member who wanted Marcus Williams? Great...

When faced with the facts, the common board member/Zeke-hater will seek refuge in meaningless snark.

I love how none of you can defend wanting Marcus Williams now. I love it. Yeah, Zeke made a huge mistake not taking the PG of the future there.

[Johnny Hoops]

Let me be clear....

My intial post wasn't meant to be a shot at Donnie Walsh -- he is beyond reproach in my eyes.

It also wasn't meant to be a supportive statement for Zeke.

I'm just trying to understand what Zeke could have done to make Dolan think he can't live without him. Every GM makes draft mistakes -- take the greatest GM and you'll find a slew of screw=ups. That said -- I did typically trust Zeke when it came to draft time despite some of his misses.

Not supporting his return --- to be honest I can't believe Dolan would bring him back.

Just saying if he did come back as some consultant or with a role in scouting or directing the draft --- I wouldn't kill myself.

[stuporman]

there goes that lie again. Go through the board archives and the New York papers. Rajon Rondo was not the guy Zeke passed on. The guy he passed on, the one guys like YOU wanted him to draft, was Marcus Williams out of Uconn, who, just as Zeke suspected, turned out to be a ceritified SCRUB!

basaglia, I really don't blame you for this, because you're proven you're incapable of expressing a clear, coherent argument, but what some posters on this or any other board may have wanted Thomas to pick is completely beside any relevant point.

Are you evaluating Thomas' track record, or comparing him to fans on a message board?

Did he pass on Rondo, yes or no?

If all you have to defend Thomas is to point out that he passed on Marcus Williams, you're stuck in mud.

He has demonstrated repeatedly in this thread in his mind : fans on message boards and writer rumor mill = his reality.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

there goes that lie again. Go through the board archives and the New York papers. Rajon Rondo was not the guy Zeke passed on. The guy he passed on, the one guys like YOU wanted him to draft, was Marcus Williams out of Uconn, who, just as Zeke suspected, turned out to be a ceritified SCRUB!

basaglia, I really don't blame you for this, because you're proven you're incapable of expressing a clear, coherent argument, but what some posters on this or any other board may have wanted Thomas to pick is completely beside any relevant point.

Are you evaluating Thomas' track record, or comparing him to fans on a message board?

Did he pass on Rondo, yes or no?

If all you have to defend Thomas is to point out that he passed on Marcus Williams, you're stuck in mud.

Bingo. When drafting a player, teams are passing on every other player they could have reasonably drafted at that position. What the fans wanted has absolutely nothing to do with the situation. Rondo was taken one spot after Balkman, so it wouldn't have been unreasonable for a team to consider him over Balkman. Portland did not draft Michael Jordan. Does it make sense to say they didn't pass on Jordan, because they already had Drexler and were looking at bigmen?

Also, the "we already had a point guard, so it doesn't matter" argument fails because Zeke then drafted a point guard, Mardy Collins.

[duetta]

Wrong again. First off, it doesn't matter if Zeke was specifically deciding between Williams and Balk. The FACT is RONDO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NO ONE WAS BEGGING HIM TO TAKE RONDO!

But Zeke was allegedly "the professional", who knew better than everyone else - and hence deserves to have his many sins in other areas overlooked. What fans were clamoring for at the time is irrelevant.

[cgf]

Until Zeke comes out and says we were deciding between Williams and Balkman your argument makes absolutely no sense. And Bird was in charge of the Pacers at that time. So you fail x2

Wrong again. First off, it doesn't matter if Zeke was specifically deciding between Williams and Balk. The FACT is RONDO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NO ONE WAS BEGGING HIM TO TAKE RONDO! But, you were begging him to take Marcus Williams. So, to turn around 4 and 5 years later, after Marcus is a BUM and Doc has molded Rondo into an All-Star, and say "Zeke shoulda taken Rondo" is disgusting and shows just how far some of you will go to blame Isiah for the Knicks 40+ years of FAILURE.

And Walsh, along with Bird, was in charge of the Pacers. Get over it. He had a hand in it.

Optimus who let you out of your cage? What fans are begging for doesn't matter, if Isiah was such a talented guy he'd have seen the talent in rondo and picked him and not Balkmania. Even though given the rest of isiah's moves I don't think there's much of a case for him being a talented exec at all, so you're right that doesn't matter we don't need to point to one draft to illustrate the point that zeke sucked, we had to watch the teams he assembled.

As for the team we've assembled how can you pretend to be a knicks fan and not be excited? We have a legit go to player, we have a legit point guard, we have a legit young stud and we're deep with two way players, when was the last time the knicks had any of those things working for them? Sure as hell wasn't under isiah or Layden.

[God Squad]

Raptor fan here.. Why are you guys fighting over bull? Who cares about the past! It can't be changed. Your team has a bright future ahead. I think the Felton signing was great. Two years to prove himself. Makes sense to me. Yes you overpaid Amare a little bit. But who cares. You now have your first Legit all-star in how long?

Be happy that your team has made some adjustments to fix the NY Squad. Good Luck in the future.