Beasley: Could He Reach Melo Level or Close To It?

cshoops · Post #101 » by **cshoops** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:39 am

He can put up shots like Melo but who's gonna trust him to be the face of their franchise? He needs to change his image and stop trying to look like a wild man. It would help if he got a regular haircut and looked serious about his job. I have nothing against braids but the NBA is corporate America and if you want to be a star you have to look the part. If he didn't have the bad track record and rocked the wild man braids he'd be ok but right now he has to do more than chuck up shots and look wild to show he's worthy of a Carmelo comparison. Carmelo had his wild days but now he's a better person on and off the court and I trust Carmelo with keys to the city more than Beasley.

Post #102 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 1:41 pm

There are a ton of guys in the league that could put up 20 ppg on a bad team if given the opportunity (See Mike James).

Beasley is a legit scorer though, but just not a fan of his game since he doesn't do much else. Reminds me of Al Harrington.

Post #103 » by **j4remi** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 1:59 pm

cshoops wrote:He can put up shots like Melo but who's gonna trust him to be the face of their franchise? He needs to change his image and stop trying to look like a wild man. It would help if he got a regular haircut and looked serious about his job. I have nothing against braids but the NBA is corporate America and if you want to be a star you have to look the part. If he didn't have the bad track record and rocked the wild man braids he'd be ok but right now he has to do more than chuck up shots and look wild to show he's worthy of a Carmelo comparison. Carmelo had his wild days but now he's a better person on and off the court and I trust Carmelo with keys to the city more than Beasley.

Exactly, and Melo came into the league and turned a broken franchise into a perennial playoff team...Super cool Beas is on a bottom feeder.

Paeds · Post #104 » by **Paeds** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:07 pm

He absolutely has the talent but he hasn't shown to be a leader or winner like Melo. There is also the unstable factor

Justdatdude · Post #105 » by **Justdatdude** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:11 pm

Still a tough crowd. I'll give it to the Allstar break and see if he can turn this board into believers. With the schedule they have coming up, they will begin winning games and everyone will begin taking notice.

TKF · Post #106 » by **TKF** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:21 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:Who else thought this guy looked great tonight? His mid range game was Melo-esque out there. I mean its not crazy to think he could reach that level. The dude was the number 2 pick and dominated in his lone year in college. He was compared to Melo alot coming out too. SuperCool seems to be finding his groove now and I gotta say I was impressed. Gallo and even Chandler were no match for him on D. He was creating at will. The Wolves getting him for scraps could be one of the best pickups in recent memory if he pans out.

BEASLEY IS A DOPE.. melo is not just a good scorer, but he is a very good basketball player... he is taking a lot of shots and scoring on a bad team.. I like to see players do well in adversity. this is why I am so high on our young guys.. GAllo,chandler, lee, all played in a toxic enviornment and they all did well, didn't complain and still were able to grow..
Now I understand it is hard to play with wade, but beasley seemed to quit down there, and if he is no getting shots, if he is not held accountable for the shots he takes or the way he plays, then he seems to play great.. to me, these are signs of a bad player... what are they doing in minny? rambis is a good guy, but is there really any accountability with those cats down there?

TKF · Post #107 » by **TKF** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:29 pm

KnicksScholar24 wrote:I said he needed a situation like Carmelo had in Denver for his game to blossom. Being Wade's second string was holding his game back. Yes, tonight he looked unstoppable offensively. He's a million times better than Gallinari.

your name and your post are polar opposites... that is all I have to say..

TKF · Post #108 » by **TKF** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:39 pm

Justdatdude wrote:Still a tough crowd. I'll give it to the Allstar break and see if he can turn this board into believers. With the schedule they have coming up, they will begin winning games and everyone will begin taking notice.

start rooting for players who play the game from the top down.. not from the bottum up and never reaching the top...

Not sure how long you have been watching basketball, but a lot of us have seen gifted scorers come through this league.. the NBA game has become so competitive that you need to be a complete ball player in order to impact the win and loss column.

I remember when charlie villanueva scored like 48 points his rookie season..He is a great scorer, never really started, and honestly, put him on the wolves, let him shoot 29 times and I bet he gets 30+ points easy... charlie V had deficiencies in other key areas, this is why he is now bench scorer...

stuporman · Post #109 » by **stuporman** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:42 pm

Volume shooter who doesn't help his team win. Stats on a bad team someone has to score. When he can actually get his team to the playoffs let alone out of last place then wake me.....

JohnStarksTheDunk · Post #110 » by **JohnStarksTheDunk** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:53 pm

I think Beasley is more Glen Robinson than he is Carmelo Anthony.

TKF · Post #111 » by **TKF** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 3:55 pm

Punk wrote:And how many people laughed when I say he was the next Melo?

Game winning shot exactly the same dribble drive pull up shot Melo is known for. He's not a scrub people. That's what happens when you play in Miami, you are held back.

boomann21 wrote:Once they get Rubio to suit up they will have a exciting squad.

-Rubio
-Johnson (still untapped potential)
-Beasley (established star for the franchise)
-Love (established star for the franchise)
-Webster (best sixth man you can find)
-Darko (Rubio could make him better)
-Flynn (potential star even if Rubio doesnt come)
-Pekovic (a potential Gasol type player)

Prediction: 2 years the Wolves will be a legit playoff team with that team and the Nuggets will rebuild again like the Wolves did.

DO You really believe what you wrote. other than wesley johnson whom I think can be a nice player, that team is not a playoff team. Not at all.. heck webster, best sixth man you can find? WTH? ever heard of lamar odom and Jamal crawford.. honestly I am not sure if you are joking or related to the wolves GM......

Dr. Detfink · Post #112 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:02 pm

JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:I think Beasley is more Glen Robinson than he is Carmelo Anthony.

What he said.

The Wolves are the Florida Marlins of franchises. They like reclamation projects and are hoping franchises are stupid enough to either overpay or give up a king's ransom for their players.

funkatron101 · Post #113 » by **funkatron101** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:18 pm

cshoops wrote:He can put up shots like Melo but who's gonna trust him to be the face of their franchise? He needs to change his image and stop trying to look like a wild man. It would help if he got a regular haircut and looked serious about his job. I have nothing against braids but the NBA is corporate America and if you want to be a star you have to look the part. If he didn't have the bad track record and rocked the wild man braids he'd be ok but right now he has to do more than chuck up shots and look wild to show he's worthy of a Carmelo comparison. Carmelo had his wild days but now he's a better person on and off the court and I trust Carmelo with keys to the city more than Beasley.

http://kimoracochran.com/carmelo-anthon ... at-stacks/

http://orange44.blogspot.com/2008/04/ca ... r-dwi.html

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/ ... etail.html

Beasley got caught with weed, and is a goofball. That's it.

MaseInYourFace · Post #114 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:21 pm

No. I think he'll be a very good scorer for a while but I dont see him being an impact guy.

aggo · Post #115 » by **aggo** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:22 pm

You know, TW is right.

Beasley in Minn is a lot like Melo's game. But without the record?

The interesting part about Melo is that he carried his teams to the playoffs every year with dysfunctional rosters. He got put next to other volume guys (e.g. Iverson) or half court guards who didnt excel in the PnR (e.g. Billups) because of their lack of interior offense.

Yet, when you look at Minnesota, Beasley can do whatever he wants but cannot carry his team. Were the Denver teams better? Of course. Beasley seems like an enigma. He's not good enough to double the whole game (unlike Melo) but too good that you ahve to put your best wing defender on him.

Melo seems like a player who can succeed with different systems (e.g. he wouldnt want to come here unless he enjoyed playing in D'antoni's system for the USA team or if he thought he couldn't win with Amare) yet, Beasley floundered next to one of the best guards in the game.. Wade.

funkatron101 · Post #116 » by **funkatron101** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:28 pm

AggO wrote:You know, TW is right.

Beasley in Minn is a lot like Melo's game. But without the record?

The interesting part about Melo is that he carried his teams to the playoffs every year with dysfunctional rosters. He got put next to other volume guys (e.g. Iverson) or half court guards who didnt excel in the PnR (e.g. Billups) because of their lack of interior offense.

Yet, when you look at Minnesota, Beasley can do whatever he wants but cannot carry his team. Were the Denver teams better? Of course. Beasley seems like an enigma. He's not good enough to double the whole game (unlike Melo) but too good that you ahve to put your best wing defender on him.

Melo seems like a player who can succeed with different systems (e.g. he wouldnt want to come here unless he enjoyed playing in D'antoni's system for the USA team or if he thought he couldn't win with Amare) yet, Beasley floundered next to one of the best guards in the game.. Wade.

You bring up a good point. The only somewhat counter argument that I have is that the Wolves are a very young an inexperienced team. We may debate whether or not the various Nuggets teams were dysfunctional, but they had a good amount of veteran presence. 11 4th quarter collapses after having the lead through the first three quarters shows that this is a key element that the Wolves are missing.

Post #117 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:43 pm

JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:I think Beasley is more Glen Robinson than he is Carmelo Anthony.

That is a pretty good comparison. I think a better title is will Beasley reach Big Dog level?

He isn't even close to Melo right now...Its really not that hard to drop 20 a game being on a bad team. The list is long. But the question is what else is that guy doing to help his team win besides score? It goes back to the eye test.

I_Love_NYK · Post #118 » by **I_Love_NYK** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:45 pm

He is strictly a scorer, and really has no flaw as a scorer. He can shoot mid-range, 3 pointer, post up and take it in. But he was also a rebounder and defender in college something he is not in the NBA. He is like a much better version of Al Harrington.

Justdatdude · Post #119 » by **Justdatdude** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 4:54 pm

TKF wrote:
KnicksScholar24 wrote:I said he needed a situation like Carmelo had in Denver for his game to blossom. Being Wade's second string was holding his game back. Yes, tonight he looked unstoppable offensively. He's a million times better than Gallinari.

your name and your post are polar opposites... that is all I have to say..

By far the funniest thing I would read all day. By far. Haha.

Justdatdude · Post #120 » by **Justdatdude** » Tue Jan 4, 2011 5:00 pm

TKF wrote:
Justdatdude wrote:Still a tough crowd. I'll give it to the Allstar break and see if he can turn this board into believers. With the schedule they have coming up, they will begin winning games and everyone will begin taking notice.

start rooting for players who play the game from the top down.. not from the bottum up and never reaching the top...

Not sure how long you have been watching basketball, but a lot of us have seen gifted scorers come through this league.. the NBA game has become so competitive that you need to be a complete ball player in order to impact the win and loss column.

I remember when charlie villanueva scored like 48 points his rookie season..He is a great scorer, never really started, and honestly, put him on the wolves, let him shoot 29 times and I bet he gets 30+ points easy... charlie V had deficiencies in other key areas, this is why he is now bench scorer...

Once again, its about the way he plays. There are gifted scorers then there are special scorers. I'm telling you, Beasley will be a special player. Just have to watch him play. That's all I can tell you. As good as Melo is, Beasley already have two things over him. Beasley can finish with either hand and he has a better 3 point shot than Carmelo has ever had. As a scorer, he has the complete arsenal. As far as this stuff that he lacks in other areas, what are all of these areas? Like Carmelo, he's a good scorer and good rebounder. Like Carmelo he's a solid man defender and poor team defender. Forget about the numbers for a second and watch them play. Carmelo is better in the post and that comes with experience and Carmelo is a better passer. Forgetting about stats and just watching those 2 play, you will see what I'm talking about.

Beasley is coming into the same situation Durant came into. A young team, new coach, and no established vets. Give him a year and this team will start competing for the playoffs, especially if Carmelo comes East. A team has to replace them right?

Watch Beasley play a little. I know its going to be hard convincing you being that you was already down on him, but just give the guy some time. He's a ballplayer. A damn good one.