Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups

Post #101 » by **GONYK** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:01 pm

vallen wrote:
a mini-camp with no team doctors, trainers or coaches....and he never "promised" anything...

how many times was Patrick and Houston rushed back and "cleared" to play ?? How many times was that a good idea ???

i cant believe I have to argue Health over a non-nba mini camp to any Knick Fan. Its mind boggling.

So whats the general consensus then fellas ?

you guys saying Amares soft ? a liar ? a hypocrite ? what ?

You are the one now bending the facts to his agenda. Why do you keep making health an issue?

You want to get hung up on semantics? The word promise is outweighing everything else to you? He didn't hold a hand over his heart and say he was going to do it, but he did conceive the idea, publicize the idea, tweet rookies about it, update the press about it's progress (or lack thereof) and never mentioned his health.

So you saying he shouldn't risk anything to participate in a mini-camp of his own conception, working with the players he will be leading in the upcoming season, but the Lebron James all-star game is worth the risk?

Post #102 » by **Thugger HBC** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:02 pm

vallen wrote:
GONYK wrote:
vallen wrote:again he made no promises, they were all dependent on his health.... which my only point is way more important then some weak off season camp that doesnt involve NBA Trainers or Coaches.

i get it, you guys think this tentative agreement to have a non-nba camp was way more important then getting physically healthy for an actual real NBA season. i agree to disagree.

Amare was cleared to play August 11th, and he is playing in the Heat's All-Star game on the 8th.

His health hasn't been an issue for a while. He was talking about playing overseas.

1. who exactly cleared him ? since NBA Team Doctors arent available to him at that point in time.

2. since he technically doesnt play for the Knicks during this lock-out period, why or what would he need clearance from anyone for ???

Man you have got to read the whole article that is out there.

Post #103 » by **GONYK** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:03 pm

Gregory151 wrote:Dang, i went to the store and came back and people still arguing this..

All we were saying is that we wished they had the workouts (workouts, not pickup games) when the said they would.. If it was never stated publicly that they would have them, then we wouldn't have expected it.. Its not that serious but we're expressing a lil disappointment, especially when other teams are being more proactive about getting together.. Thats all, c'mon son

EXACTLY

Post #104 » by **Thugger HBC** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:05 pm

2010 wrote:This is the second time Vallen has challenged a poster to supply links claiming he was skeptical about quotes from players that posters referenced from memory...only to be proven wrong both times.

Just admit Billups said he has no plans of retiring and plans to play a few more years since he spent the first five years of his career on the bench. And also admit that Amar'e did in fact go back on his word about organizing the Knicks mini-camp.

Bingo, especially the bold.

dirknowitzki · Post #105 » by **dirknowitzki** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:09 pm

GONYK wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Dunno why anyone would question STAT's work ethic--he's earned our trust with how hard he improved last offseason to lead our team pre-Melo--let's see how he comes out when this lockout ends.

I'm not questioning his individual work ethic. He's always been in shape. I'm talking his commitment to leading.

It's sort of like he just said this thing about the mini-camp because it was a great sentiment and a great sound bite, but never really expected anyone to hold him to it.

Sorta like the whole flip-flopping he was doing on twitter earlier in the summer about "Should I go play in Turkey?" "No, my heart is with the city of NY" "These overseas offers are beginning to come in. I'm going to consider a few"

He's just saying things to say them at that point.

Don't get me wrong, I still love Amare. His word is just a little bit more hollow to me now.

Maybe because it will hurt the union's stance if amare and melo have a workout. Meaning that these 2 stars arent likely going to europe.

Post #106 » by **GONYK** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:10 pm

dirknowitzki wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Dunno why anyone would question STAT's work ethic--he's earned our trust with how hard he improved last offseason to lead our team pre-Melo--let's see how he comes out when this lockout ends.

I'm not questioning his individual work ethic. He's always been in shape. I'm talking his commitment to leading.

It's sort of like he just said this thing about the mini-camp because it was a great sentiment and a great sound bite, but never really expected anyone to hold him to it.

Sorta like the whole flip-flopping he was doing on twitter earlier in the summer about "Should I go play in Turkey?" "No, my heart is with the city of NY" "These overseas offers are beginning to come in. I'm going to consider a few"

He's just saying things to say them at that point.

Don't get me wrong, I still love Amare. His word is just a little bit more hollow to me now.

Maybe because it will hurt the union's stance if amare and melo have a workout. Meaning that these 2 stars arent likely going to europe.

Didn't stop Wade and Lebron from having one

vallen · Post #107 » by **vallen** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:12 pm

fine w/e..lol GO we argue a lot but this is a stupid one. I just want Amare to be healthy, I believe he knows his body better then anyone and dont ever believe hes the type to Milk or Nurse an Injury, be Lazy, or not care about the rest of the team. I think if he needed, or still needs to postpone this "tentative" camp, then I simply dont have a problem with it. I simply think its in his best interest to remain healthy.

I have to trust in his desicion, because if it wasnt because of a good reason, then what other reason would it be ?

bkknicks19 · Post #108 » by **bkknicks19** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:14 pm

GONYK wrote:
Gregory151 wrote:Dang, i went to the store and came back and people still arguing this..

All we were saying is that we wished they had the workouts (workouts, not pickup games) when the said they would.. If it was never stated publicly that they would have them, then we wouldn't have expected it.. Its not that serious but we're expressing a lil disappointment, especially when other teams are being more proactive about getting together.. Thats all, c'mon son

EXACTLY

no issue with expressing a lil disappointment, everyone is entitled to their opinion but that small amount of disappointment helped to derail the thread. Not only that but it also went from "it kinda sucks that we're not doing what the heat are doing" to " amare is not as good of a leader as i thought because he's not doing what the heat are doing" and "melo is annoying cuz he's playing in charity games, taking part in cba discussions and building his brand instead of doing what the heat are doing". Basically the counter argument to that whole "just expressing a lil disappointment" spiel is that some of you are getting too worked up, being extra critical over something that either way is not a big deal. doesn't matter if amare promised or didn't promise, teased you, w/e, its not that serious. At the end of the day, we have GREAT players, multiple leaders in amare, melo and billups, and we should be confident that not only will we be prepared for the season, but we'll be able to compete with the heat (i still can't understand why anyone is afraid of them or wants to follow everything they do).

Post #109 » by **GONYK** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:21 pm

bkknicks19 wrote:
no issue with expressing a lil disappointment, everyone is entitled to their opinion but that small amount of disappointment helped to derail the thread. Not only that but it also went from "it kinda sucks that we're not doing what the heat are doing" to " amare is not as good of a leader as i thought because he's not doing what the heat are doing" and "melo is annoying cuz he's playing in charity games, taking part in cba discussions and building his brand instead of doing what the heat are doing". Basically the counter argument to that whole "just expressing a lil disappointment" spiel is that some of you are getting too worked up, being extra critical over something that either way is not a big deal. doesn't matter if amare promised or didn't promise, teased you, w/e, its not that serious. At the end of the day, we have GREAT players, multiple leaders in amare, melo and billups, and we should be confident that not only will we be prepared for the season, but we'll be able to compete with the heat (i still can't understand why anyone is afraid of them or wants to follow everything they do).

I don't care about the Heat. At all. The same way I don't care about the Sixers, Grizzlies, Clippers, or all the other teams that managed to organize themselves and get together for a mini-camp.

I care about someone who is supposed to be the leader of the team going back on his word. That is all.

Post #110 » by **Thugger HBC** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:29 pm

GONYK wrote:
bkknicks19 wrote:
no issue with expressing a lil disappointment, everyone is entitled to their opinion but that small amount of disappointment helped to derail the thread. Not only that but it also went from "it kinda sucks that we're not doing what the heat are doing" to " amare is not as good of a leader as i thought because he's not doing what the heat are doing" and "melo is annoying cuz he's playing in charity games, taking part in cba discussions and building his brand instead of doing what the heat are doing". Basically the counter argument to that whole "just expressing a lil disappointment" spiel is that some of you are getting too worked up, being extra critical over something that either way is not a big deal. doesn't matter if amare promised or didn't promise, teased you, w/e, its not that serious. At the end of the day, we have GREAT players, multiple leaders in amare, melo and billups, and we should be confident that not only will we be prepared for the season, but we'll be able to compete with the heat (i still can't understand why anyone is afraid of them or wants to follow everything they do).

I don't care about the Heat. At all. The same way I don't care about the Sixers, Grizzlies, Clippers, or all the other teams that managed to organize themselves and get together for a mini-camp.

I care about someone who is supposed to be the leader of the team going back on his word. That is all.

I agree 100%, he should have just kept it quite between the players, and them only.

Once he opened up freely and said it, me as a fan, I expected to know he was gonna carry through.

He renigged, but I still value him on the team, just shouldn't have blurted it, with out doing it.

NYman15 · Post #111 » by **NYman15** » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:33 pm

GONYK wrote:
NYman15 wrote:I think his health played a factor in all of this as well as, probably, knowing the lockout would drag on giving him more time to rest and relax. That, and he might have had a hard time getting everyone together with all the players all over the place between Melo traveling and heading to China as did Amare and they probably had prior commitments. Still, I understand why you're a little disappointed in Amare, but it still seems like they'll get the workouts done.

No, they won't. The workouts are now only something that will happen if the season starts late. It is basically now become a training camp if there is no training camp.

If the lockout ends by Tuesday, then the season starts on time, and Amare's fantasy camp will never happen.

I agree. I just didn't explain myself correctly. I just meant with the way the lockout is going, we're likely to miss games, so the camp will most likely end up going on anyway. It's just later than he said it would happen. But please don't take this the wrong way, I agree, I wish it happened earlier, like he said it would, so they made sure they got the camp in. But my point was it still looks like they're gonna get the camp in anyway.

And I just want to point out, I don't question Amare's leadership. To me, he showed he was leader last year when he took control of that young team after that 3-8 start and made them a above .500 team. And how he prepares himself to always be ready for a game.

HighRyzer83 · Post #112 » by **HighRyzer83** » Sun Oct 2, 2011 2:45 am

I dont get why Wade has been really talkative lately. Is he like a tough guy now? Coughing at Dirk, warning Stern, hes been quite opinionated wasn't he known for being a humble guy at whatnot?

NYman15 · Post #113 » by **NYman15** » Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:10 am

Just with all the talk about Amare and his health and workouts I felt like I should post this,

"@alanhahn: RT @Amareisreal: Thanks to my Hommie an teammate @I_am_iman for opening the GTech Practice Court for me tonight. #WorkoutComplete. 6 minutes ago"

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/ ... z1ZaebXs2u

dirknowitzki · Post #114 » by **dirknowitzki** » Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:16 am

HighRyzer83 wrote:I dont get why Wade has been really talkative lately. Is he like a tough guy now? Coughing at Dirk, warning Stern, hes been quite opinionated wasn't he known for being a humble guy at whatnot?

The influence of bosh. Hes now a fake tough guy

DocZaius · Post #115 » by **DocZaius** » Sun Oct 2, 2011 3:53 am

I wanna see Shumpert turn into a Wade stopper.

He should study him like crazy.

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #116 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Sun Oct 2, 2011 4:07 am

DocZaius wrote:I wanna see Shumpert turn into a Wade stopper.

He should study him like crazy.

He will.

NYman15 · Post #117 » by **NYman15** » Sun Oct 2, 2011 5:06 am

Yeah, I'm hoping Iman becomes that kind of defensive stopper. Where you can put him on any PG, SG, or SF and expect him to give it his all and do his best to slow down the other players, guys like Wade and Rose are gonna get their points, it's Iman's job to limit their impact on the game and get them to take 30 shots to get 20 points rather than 15.

Post #118 » by **Capn'O** » Sun Oct 2, 2011 5:11 am

Thugger HBC wrote:
GONYK wrote:
bkknicks19 wrote:
no issue with expressing a lil disappointment, everyone is entitled to their opinion but that small amount of disappointment helped to derail the thread. Not only that but it also went from "it kinda sucks that we're not doing what the heat are doing" to " amare is not as good of a leader as i thought because he's not doing what the heat are doing" and "melo is annoying cuz he's playing in charity games, taking part in cba discussions and building his brand instead of doing what the heat are doing". Basically the counter argument to that whole "just expressing a lil disappointment" spiel is that some of you are getting too worked up, being extra critical over something that either way is not a big deal. doesn't matter if amare promised or didn't promise, teased you, w/e, its not that serious. At the end of the day, we have GREAT players, multiple leaders in amare, melo and billups, and we should be confident that not only will we be prepared for the season, but we'll be able to compete with the heat (i still can't understand why anyone is afraid of them or wants to follow everything they do).

I don't care about the Heat. At all. The same way I don't care about the Sixers, Grizzlies, Clippers, or all the other teams that managed to organize themselves and get together for a mini-camp.

I care about someone who is supposed to be the leader of the team going back on his word. That is all.

I agree 100%, he should have just kept it quite between the players, and them only.

Once he opened up freely and said it, me as a fan, I expected to know he was gonna carry through.

He renigged, but I still value him on the team, just shouldn't have blurted it, with out doing it.

Exactly. A lot of people don't realize the expectations that arise with verbal commitments.

I had an ex who did this stuff. Promised "x" then gave "y". And then would just be baffled about why I wasn't happy with "y" and would go to incredible lengths to try and prove that she never said "x" in the first place. Lol, I praise the good lord she's an ex!

It's lame. When you say you're going to do something as a leader people plan their lives around it. It's all well and good that Amare's taking care of his health... but say you're doing that.

Amare' missed the boat on this, plain and simple. But I have at least some faith that he'll man up about it with his teammates. Again, it's lame and he loses a little face for this. Not much. We don't all hate Amare now. But his credibility took a hit that he needs to fix.

bkknicks19 · Post #119 » by **bkknicks19** » Sun Oct 2, 2011 6:33 am

Capn'O wrote:
Thugger HBC wrote:
bkknicks19 wrote:
no issue with expressing a lil disappointment, everyone is entitled to their opinion but that small amount of disappointment helped to derail the thread. Not only that but it also went from "it kinda sucks that we're not doing what the heat are doing" to " amare is not as good of a leader as i thought because he's not doing what the heat are doing" and "melo is annoying cuz he's playing in charity games, taking part in cba discussions and building his brand instead of doing what the heat are doing". Basically the counter argument to that whole "just expressing a lil disappointment" spiel is that some of you are getting too worked up, being extra critical over something that either way is not a big deal. doesn't matter if amare promised or didn't promise, teased you, w/e, its not that serious. At the end of the day, we have GREAT players, multiple leaders in amare, melo and billups, and we should be confident that not only will we be prepared for the season, but we'll be able to compete with the heat (i still can't understand why anyone is afraid of them or wants to follow everything they do).

I don't care about the Heat. At all. The same way I don't care about the Sixers, Grizzlies, Clippers, or all the other teams that managed to organize themselves and get together for a mini-camp.

I care about someone who is supposed to be the leader of the team going back on his word. That is all.

I agree 100%, he should have just kept it quite between the players, and them only.

Once he opened up freely and said it, me as a fan, I expected to know he was gonna carry through.

He renigged, but I still value him on the team, just shouldn't have blurted it, with out doing it.

Exactly. A lot of people don't realize the expectations that arise with verbal commitments.

I had an ex who did this stuff. Promised "x" then gave "y". And then would just be baffled about why I wasn't happy with "y" and would go to incredible lengths to try and prove that she never said "x" in the first place. Lol, I praise the good lord she's an ex!

It's lame. When you say you're going to do something as a leader people plan their lives around it. It's all well and good that Amare's taking care of his health... but say you're doing that.

Amare' missed the boat on this, plain and simple. But I have at least some faith that he'll man up about it with his teammates. Again, it's lame and he loses a little face for this. Not much. We don't all hate Amare now. But his credibility took a hit that he needs to fix.[/quote]

Like i said, expressing your disappointment is fine. Personally i feel like thats an overly sensitive statement (referring to the bolded part). Unless there is some quote somewhere from a knicks player indicating directly or even indirectly that amare has lost face as a leader, there is no reason to believe that anything remotely damaging to him has taken place. At least let the media start ripping him for not having these important mini camps he promised before we start talking about docking him leadership points. Thats how teams get distracted. Players start concerning themselves with what ppl outside of the team are saying rather than listening to whats going on with the team. Amare doesn't need to fix anything so long as the players on the team are fine with what he's doing. So far no one has complained about amare. The people who might actually plan their lives around what amare said (his teammates) are likely kept up to date on the status of the camps and everything so i'm sure no one is inconvenienced or bothered by amare not having the camp in august, sepetember or october. We Can't speak for shumpert, fields, billups, melo, douglas, jeffries, etc. When they feel like he should lose some leader points, then he should lose some points. Until then, its not that serious.

Post #120 » by **Thugger HBC** » Sun Oct 2, 2011 11:17 am

bkknicks19 wrote:Like i said, expressing your disappointment is fine. Personally i feel like thats an overly sensitive statement (referring to the bolded part). Unless there is some quote somewhere from a knicks player indicating directly or even indirectly that amare has lost face as a leader, there is no reason to believe that anything remotely damaging to him has taken place. At least let the media start ripping him for not having these important mini camps he promised before we start talking about docking him leadership points. Thats how teams get distracted. Players start concerning themselves with what ppl outside of the team are saying rather than listening to whats going on with the team. Amare doesn't need to fix anything so long as the players on the team are fine with what he's doing. So far no one has complained about amare. The people who might actually plan their lives around what amare said (his teammates) are likely kept up to date on the status of the camps and everything so i'm sure no one is inconvenienced or bothered by amare not having the camp in august, sepetember or october. We Can't speak for shumpert, fields, billups, melo, douglas, jeffries, etc. When they feel like he should lose some leader points, then he should lose some points. Until then, its not that serious.

I seriously doubt it has affected the players by Amar'e not getting them together.

I'm sure that Amar'e most likely set up, maybe even paid (or offered) for that IMG training the Shumpert had this summer, which helped Shumps game tremendously.

I'm sure he explained to them, IN PRIVATE, what's up, which is what should have happened all the long.

As a fan, I do react to what the players on my team do and say, and Amar'e renigged, but had he kept it amongst the one's that matter most, his team mates, it wouldn't be an issue to me.

Amar'e is the leader, no question, but he isn't the only one, just the primary one the team, and fans, will look at in prosperity and failure.

No different than he has been talking about the team getting better on defense.....

Who do you think we as fans expect to step up, and show how it's done?

Everyone, but especially the one who said it.