OT: Morey doin work

[GONYK]

Knicks are screwed. we dont have the assets to get a player like Carmelo Anthony. Houston, on the other hand, looks to be frontrunners for getting Melo via trade.

Thanks Donnie. Thanks for nothing

And.... facepalm.

Ok, I give up. So do the Knicks have the assets to surround Carmelo with a championship team?

Morey won't have the assets if he ever gets a star either, since he would have used them all to get the star

[cgmw]

Knicks are screwed. we dont have the assets to get a player like Carmelo Anthony. Houston, on the other hand, looks to be frontrunners for getting Melo via trade.

Thanks Donnie. Thanks for nothing

And.... facepalm.

Ok, I give up. So do the Knicks have the assets to surround Carmelo with a championship team?

Morey won't have the assets if he ever gets a star either, since he would have used them all to get the star

Morey won't have the assets if he ever gets a star either, since he would have used them all to get the star

If it takes 100 cubits to build a championship team, Morey is starting off with positive cubits. I am jealous of that as a Knick fan because the Knicks have made all their big moves (including Carmelo) from a highly-leveraged position of negative cubits upon more negative f*king cubits.

Ok, wow. Now I'm just rambling. Time to hit the sack. Night gents.

PS: Will somebody please just fire Isiah already.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

We probably would have waited longer to restore our cubits if not for the fact that Lebron was a free agent in 2010.

[magnumt]

No they don't. They still have more maneuvering to do.

--Mags

Sorry. Trade for one, sign the other.

Even then, that depends on how much crap the Magic try and dump on them (see: Hedu and JRich or Jameer). They won't make it easy for the Rockets and risk having another Super Team form. And if the Rockets can't sign or Trade for another big name to pair Dwight, he' s gone at the end if the 2012 Season.

Now, if they go after 33YLD Gasol, I can see them maaaaaaybe getting Deron or Nash. But either way, we're in a better position with a deeper team than they would be able to feild (Melo, Tyson, Amar'e, Lin, Shumpert, etc). Morey would looooooove to have Lin or Shumpert (he even said it).

--Mags

[ibraheim718]

I'm ready to listen to all the assets Pat the Rat had in the summer of 2010... Mike Beasley? Seriously.

Pat had something no other team in the league had and it lead directly to a championship in two short years... a freaking, dirty, stinking Mole.

[Kampuchea]

Knicks are screwed. we dont have the assets to get a player like Carmelo Anthony. Houston, on the other hand, looks to be frontrunners for getting Melo via trade.

Thanks Donnie. Thanks for nothing

And.... facepalm.

Ok, I give up. So do the Knicks have the assets to surround Carmelo with a championship team?

they do have those assets, yes. I think we can compete for a title now

[johnnywishbone]

I wonder if they plan on tempting Miami with a trade for Bosh.

[Rasho Brezec]

I find the morey criticism funny. He is making moves to stay competitive while collecting assets for future moves... there is nothing wrong with that, it is actually a smart way to do business. How is he hurting his team at all?

Because he's stockpiling for the sake of stockpiling, with no feasible plan. He's not getting Dwight so he should let that pipedream go and instead try to get a top 5 pick and draft his star.

[TheToothFairy]

I find the morey criticism funny. He is making moves to stay competitive while collecting assets for future moves... there is nothing wrong with that, it is actually a smart way to do business. How is he hurting his team at all?

Because he's stockpiling for the sake of stockpiling, with no feasible plan. He's not getting Dwight so he should let that pipedream go and instead try to get a top 5 pick and draft his star.

No he isn't, doin really honestly feel he has NO plan? NONE? You think he is just trading just to trade ? And how do you know he isn't trying to get a top 5?

[Thugger HBC]

I find the morey criticism funny. He is making moves to stay competitive while collecting assets for future moves... there is nothing wrong with that, it is actually a smart way to do business. How is he hurting his team at all?

Because he's stockpiling for the sake of stockpiling, with no feasible plan. He's not getting Dwight so he should let that pipedream go and instead try to get a top 5 pick and draft his star.

No he isn't, doin really honestly feel he has NO plan? NONE? You think he is just trading just to trade ? And how do you know he isn't trying to get a top 5?

He's been doing this for years.

We'll see what his plan is hopefully tonite, because honestly no one knows what his plan is, because we've seen nothing come from it.

He was willing to trade for a non-extended Melo, and apparently a non-committed Dwight.

He's thirsty for a star presence, that's all we can see.

[FutureKnicksGM]

I like what Morey is doing (as in the moves he has made this week). He now obviously needs to consolidate those picks (and maybe Lowry) and move up. Drummond has got to be there target IMO. Massive upside at Center position, plus he's a few years away so they get in the tank for next year.

[TKF]

I find the morey criticism funny. He is making moves to stay competitive while collecting assets for future moves... there is nothing wrong with that, it is actually a smart way to do business. How is he hurting his team at all?

Because he's stockpiling for the sake of stockpiling, with no feasible plan. He's not getting Dwight so he should let that pipedream go and instead try to get a top 5 pick and draft his star.

AND HOW IN THE heck do you know this? you can sit here and definitively tell me what the rockets and morey are thinking? really?

[TKF]

We'll see what his plan is hopefully tonite, because honestly no one knows what his plan is, because we've seen nothing come from it.

He was willing to trade for a non-extended Melo, and apparently a non-committed Dwight.

He's thirsty for a star presence, that's all we can see.

honestly, do you know what the knicks are doing? no one seems to know that as well. Yet the rockets over the past few years have had more wins than us... Throwing talent together doesn't mean you have a plan,or let me restate.. a solid plan...

Morey has to operate this way... The don't seem willing to just go out and overpay elite prices for non-elite talent... people keep saying he will have to do something.. Do what? until they see a move that makes sense for their team, he can keep doing what he is doing right now.... Heck, it is getting them 40+ wins... with a little luck and staying healthy they may get close to 50.. with a few good moves, maybe a second round playoff appearance.. really that is pretty much where 95% of the teams in the league are right now.. the difference is, most teams lack flexibility to take advantage of making that move for an elite player when the opportunity presents itself.. and I can understand if morey is going to do whatever he can to protect it.. to heck if knick fans or no one else seems to understand....

He was willing to trade for a non-extended Melo, and apparently a non-committed Dwight.

well I guess rumors are rumors and we chose to believe what we want.. but who knows what he was willing to give up in either case...i have a hard time believing that denver would not have traded him to Houston had they met their price, especially if Houston didn't care if he resigned... which leads me to believe that Houston was not willing to ante up the farm...

[TKF]

I find the morey criticism funny. He is making moves to stay competitive while collecting assets for future moves... there is nothing wrong with that, it is actually a smart way to do business. How is he hurting his team at all?

Because he's stockpiling for the sake of stockpiling, with no feasible plan. He's not getting Dwight so he should let that pipedream go and instead try to get a top 5 pick and draft his star.

No he isn't, doin really honestly feel he has NO plan? NONE? You think he is just trading just to trade ? And how do you know he isn't trying to get a top 5?

yea, I don't get this thinking either.. with no so called "star" on their team, the rockets have managed to win more games the past few years than the knicks... yet most here feels we are on to some master plan.... really? Like it or not, you have to believe morey has a plan... he has done a good job with the rockets so far, they have been respectable(record wise) the past few years and they have managed to gather some assets.. that is not a bad thing at all...

[Rasho Brezec]

They have had a mediocre record with a mediocre team for a couple of seasons because Morey did nothing to bank on those assets. And mediocrity in the NBA is the worst, if you have a terrible team you at least have a chance at top lotto picks.

[K_ick_God]

yea, I don't get this thinking either.. with no so called "star" on their team, the rockets have managed to win more games the past few years than the knicks... yet most here feels we are on to some master plan.... really? Like it or not, you have to believe morey has a plan... he has done a good job with the rockets so far, they have been respectable(record wise) the past few years and they have managed to gather some assets.. that is not a bad thing at all...

You say that because you're not a Rockets fan who has to wait around for nothing to happen and watch your team wither on the vine. Last season the Rockets missed the playoffs -- so his team is regressing, going in reverse in the third or fourth year of his plan (or whatever it is). You say that's progress but it's literally not.

I doubt even he would say that what he's doing is working if he was being 100% honest.

Having good ideas does not mean you have a viable plan to contend.

It's further false to paint them as some up-and-coming team with great flexibility. They are not a particularly young team. And they do not have cap room. In fact, their payroll is only $3M less than the Knicks' payroll.

[thebuzzardman]

Yeah, we get it, you don't like the Knicks "plans" because they involved getting Melo for Gallo and one young asset too many. Geeze, get over it already. I used to LOVE reading your posts and game threads but now almost dread seeing a a TKF post because it inevitably leads back to "I don't like the Melo trade"

Knicks may or may not have had the BEST plan, but I saw them:
Upgrade PF in a big way (possible too much money, but so be it)
Upgrade SF in a big way, for a go to scorer, certainly what any "good" team needs.
Upgrade C in a big way. Now, may not have been part of the "original" plan, but a damn good reaction,that's for sure
They certainly used a #1 pick to get a guard, which was needed. They went after a guard in this weird last season and suceeded, again filling a need.
They went after a stretch the floor 3 point shooter, which was definitely needed, and got him
They drafted a back up big man, which was needed and took a flyer on a big man project, not a bad idea
They screwed the pooch on PG preparations but still decided they should take a flyer on a young PG who was released, seemed to work out "ok"

I think the Donnie\Grunfeld GM leadership has been "good". Not great. Not bad. Solid good.

did we all forget that undoing Isiah's mess is part of the picture here?

And then you bring up "oh, Houston has a better record than us last 10 years" Um, yeah, no kidding, EVERYONE had a better record than the Knicks in the Layden\Isiah years.

I don't get it. Melo's not perfect, Stat's not perfect, I GUESS we could have let everything expire, but folks around here act like we broke up the 67 Celtics or something. I like the Gallo\Felton\Stat\Chandler team too, but come on.

I swear, this board and others, people pined for a "star" for a good PF, for a real C, for a decent PG for YEARS, and then when they have all of the above, all they can do is nit pick and cry. Makes me wonder, it really does.

[TKF]

yea, I don't get this thinking either.. with no so called "star" on their team, the rockets have managed to win more games the past few years than the knicks... yet most here feels we are on to some master plan.... really? Like it or not, you have to believe morey has a plan... he has done a good job with the rockets so far, they have been respectable(record wise) the past few years and they have managed to gather some assets.. that is not a bad thing at all...

You say that because you're not a Rockets fan who has to wait around for nothing to happen and watch your team wither on the vine. Last season the Rockets missed the playoffs -- so his team is regressing, going in reverse in the third or fourth year of his plan (or whatever it is). You say that's progress but it's literally not.

I doubt even he would say that what he's doing is working if he was being 100% honest.

Having good ideas does not mean you have a viable plan to contend.

It's further false to paint them as some up-and-coming team with great flexibility. They are not a particularly young team. And they do not have cap room. In fact, their payroll is only $3M less than the Knicks' payroll.

I say this because I am a knick fan that has waited around and watched this team wither on the vine... waste assets and money...

Having good ideas does not mean you have a viable plan to contend.

that remains to be seen... having bad ideas surely won't get you to contender status.

It's further false to paint them as some up-and-coming team with great flexibility. They are not a particularly young team. And they do not have cap room. In fact, their payroll is only $3M less than the Knicks' payroll

it is funny, we were praising our expiring contracts a few years ago as great assets.... well the rockets have near expiring contracts of some productive players and i am not talking about the eddy curry type.. plus they have picks.. something we don't have... it gives them options.. one's we don't have .. why is that so hard to undrstand.. and on top of that, they have been over .500 since the 2006-2007 season... every year..

not saying that morey has some genius plan, but he has a plan that seems to be well thought out, and gives his franchise real options to take that next step...

[TKF]

Yeah, we get it, you don't like the Knicks "plans" because they involved getting Melo for Gallo and one young asset too many. Geeze, get over it already. I used to LOVE reading your posts and game threads but now almost dread seeing a a TKF post because it inevitably leads back to "I don't like the Melo trade"

Knicks may or may not have had the BEST plan, but I saw them:
Upgrade PF in a big way (possible too much money, but so be it)
Upgrade SF in a big way, for a go to scorer, certainly what any "good" team needs.
Upgrade C in a big way. Now, may not have been part of the "original" plan, but a damn good reaction,that's for sure
They certainly used a #1 pick to get a guard, which was needed. They went after a guard in this weird last season and suceeded, again filling a need.
They went after a stretch the floor 3 point shooter, which was definitely needed, and got him
They drafted a back up big man, which was needed and took a flyer on a big man project, not a bad idea
They screwed the pooch on PG preparations but still decided they should take a flyer on a young PG who was released, seemed to work out "ok"

I think the Donnie\Grunfeld GM leadership has been "good". Not great. Not bad. Solid good.

did we all forget that undoing Isiah's mess is part of the picture here?

And then you bring up "oh, Houston has a better record than us last 10 years" Um, yeah, no kidding, EVERYONE had a better record than the Knicks in the Layden\Isiah years.

I don't get it. Melo's not perfect, Stat's not perfect, I GUESS we could have let everything expire, but folks around here act like we broke up the 67 Celtics or something. I like the Gallo\Felton\Stat\Chandler team too, but come on.

I swear, this board and others, people pined for a "star" for a good PF, for a real C, for a decent PG for YEARS, and then when they have all of the above, all they can do is nit pick and cry. Makes me wonder, it really does.

no you don't get it, because you start off with the typical baiting tactic.. therefore I won't engage you in this topic..

[TKF]

They have had a mediocre record with a mediocre team for a couple of seasons because Morey did nothing to bank on those assets. And mediocrity in the NBA is the worst, if you have a terrible team you at least have a chance at top lotto picks.

and we have had a bad record with a bad team for a couple of seasons because of what?