OT- Christopher Dorner barricaded in Cabin

[2010]

Lastly, Dorner took two female civilian hostages and released them unharmed after 1 day. He would have easily kept them under siege to aid him living to tell his story, or using them as human shields to enhance the rate of escape. He didn't. He never used them as a tool of negotiation. He never killed them. He released them unharmed.

That should quel this notion he was some civilian harming "animal" with no code or mission who was solely out for blood in a self-serving war. An animal would have harmed, hurt, raped, or killed those women. Yet two unsuspecting women found themselves under fire from a hail of bullets at the hands of LAPD, one shot twice in the back and the other shot in the arm/hand.

Who are the real animals here?

[Im Coming Home]

Police now saying that previous reports were false and no body has been found.. I guess we'll find out more tomorrow at the 8:00am press conference..

Imagine is he got away......... that would be some Rambo type ish.

[HarthorneWingo]

I say he's alive. He had a bunch of years to plan this shyt.


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[Little Italia]

I say he's alive. He had a bunch of years to plan this shyt.


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I agree. 5 years of careful planning could lead this story into a crazy, dangerous adventure. I wouldn't be surprised if they found a body in the burnt cabin but it wasn't Chris Dorner. How crazy would that be?

[HarthorneWingo]

I say he's alive. He had a bunch of years to plan this shyt.


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I agree. 5 years of careful planning could lead this story into a crazy, dangerous adventure. I wouldn't be surprised if they found a body in the burnt cabin but it wasn't Chris Dorner. How crazy would that be?

I keep thinking he's set some kind if trap for these LAPD officers. The only problem was that Dorner didn't think the police would lose track of him IN THE SAME FREAKING AREA WHERE HIS BURNT VEHICLE WAS FOUND. That threw off his timing. lol


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Scanner chatter; you can hear these people talk and carry out burning the house down

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCdqybEfy9w&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]

[Sky_Knicks]

There's absolutely positively ZERO chance that hes still alive.

[Guano]

Really Kane? A punk? He killed another cop today and put another in the hospital before killing himself rather than be taken alive. That's not a punk. That is an aggrieved man with his back to the wall and no where to turn. Look, while I do not believe in his methods--meaning the use of violence--because he is lowering himself to the level of his white tormentors at LAPD, I certainly there is more to his grievances than is publicly being acknowledged. Why do you think the LAPD announced that they are reopening his case? Because they even realize that there is something to what this man was saying.

Your perspective is f*cked up.

[shugknight]

He didnt have nothing to bring to the table. You going to talk about it. Kill innocent people for it. But dont not once bring something to the table to start a movement to end the corruption. And not only that. But you get a chance to spray them up. The people you publicly declared war with. And you back yourself into a corner and end it.

This guy was not a hero. Wasnt even the ill killing machine he claimed to be. He was pissed off he wasnt good enough. No one noticed him among the top ranks so he ran his mouth and dug himself into a hole he couldn't get out of. I hope he was scared and crying. Maybe they find his pants got a load. Punk. If you hurt people that dont got nothing to do with it then dont do nothing when confronted by the real enemy then you a punk.

What he really did was take corruption and put it on the back burner in the publics eye.

Reading this gave me the biggest headache. And it wasn't because I agreed/disagreed with your statement.

[earthmansurfer]

This "case" is extremely interesting. Looking at how many people support Dorner (not his killing of innocents) is really enlightening. It is perhaps alarming to the government and other institutions as well.

Clearly, the government messed up with their gun grabbing agenda, at least how they went about it and such. Then this happens and the terrible handling of it by the police along with the possible burning of the cabin at the end. It just seems more and more people are saying enough is enough at all different levels. The thing with the bankers who stole billions from people and got no jail time to the handling of the Aaron Swartz case (suicide due to governments witch-hunt) is just growing and growing. Seems like the writing is on the wall.

I think the Dorner thing is a sign of things to come as well as a form of inspiration for others to act - the frustration is really rising in many people. I don't mean that it will be with violence necessarily, but that will be up to individuals and how the government responds. I will say this, something appears coming. Bookmark this, between now and August or so, I expect things to become very hot in America...

[earthmansurfer]

Really Kane? A punk? He killed another cop today and put another in the hospital before killing himself rather than be taken alive. That's not a punk. That is an aggrieved man with his back to the wall and no where to turn. Look, while I do not believe in his methods--meaning the use of violence--because he is lowering himself to the level of his white tormentors at LAPD, I certainly there is more to his grievances than is publicly being acknowledged. Why do you think the LAPD announced that they are reopening his case? Because they even realize that there is something to what this man was saying.

Your perspective is f*cked up.

He said he doesn't believe in violence, which most of us here agree with. The part of his perspective that you find F'd up then, is probably not a punk? Outside of the semantics, I don't agree with violence as a solution either, but I see the point that by doing so he clearly lowered himself to the tactics of the LAPD (at least historically speaking, they have been overly violent). I'm not saying all police are like that, but the LAPD have certainly "earned" their reputation.

It also appears that there is substantial evidence that Dorner was wronged. There are many accounts of people who were involved with his investigation that brings up more questions with the LAPD. And, someone with his exemplary history, does make one question why he popped like he did. It just doesn't look good for the LAPD.

Excuse me if I misunderstood your comment, but you didn't explain things...

[Starks1994]

This "case" is extremely interesting. Looking at how many people support Dorner (not his killing of innocents) is really enlightening. It is perhaps alarming to the government and other institutions as well.

Clearly, the government messed up with their gun grabbing agenda, at least how they went about it and such. Then this happens and the terrible handling of it by the police along with the possible burning of the cabin at the end. It just seems more and more people are saying enough is enough at all different levels. The thing with the bankers who stole billions from people and got no jail time to the handling of the Aaron Swartz case (suicide due to governments witch-hunt) is just growing and growing. Seems like the writing is on the wall.

I think the Dorner thing is a sign of things to come as well as a form of inspiration for others to act - the frustration is really rising in many people. I don't mean that it will be with violence necessarily, but that will be up to individuals and how the government responds. I will say this, something appears coming. Bookmark this, between now and August or so, I expect things to become very hot in America...

Why are people supporting him? Is this misplaced emotions that are tied to racism in a cartoonish evil empire such as the LAPD or do people really think he is some sort of tragic hero that others want to praise as being brave for avenging wrong doing? In the end when you read his manifesto it easily washes away feelings to support him because it is clearly the ramblings of a psycho who's brain snapped and betrayed humanity by seeking to kill innocent people. MLK, Ghandi, Mandella, and figures like that are the ones that should be lauded as heroes. This killer is nothing but a murderer who wanted to check out from civil society. I'm glad we don't have to go through a trial because it would have been as uncomfortable as the OJ Case.

[Starks]

Why are people supporting him? Is this misplaced emotions that are tied to racism in a cartoonish evil empire such as the LAPD or do people really think he is some sort of tragic hero that others want to praise as being brave for avenging wrong doing? In the end when you read his manifesto it easily washes away feelings to support him because it is clearly the ramblings of a psycho who's brain snapped and betrayed humanity by seeking to kill innocent people. MLK, Ghandi, Mandella, and figures like that are the ones that should be lauded as heroes. This killer is nothing but a murderer who wanted to check out from civil society. I'm glad we don't have to go through a trial because it would have been as uncomfortable as the OJ Case.

I guess you're missing the bigger point here. Most people who claim to be Dorner's supporters really support the idea of going against the corrupted system which often allows LAPD officers to use unwarranted brutal methods and get away with it. Nobody wants to see innocents die, and that's where most of us agree on the fact that he crossed a line, but that doesn't change the fact that there are issues in most police departments that need to be dealt with.

[earthmansurfer]

This "case" is extremely interesting. Looking at how many people support Dorner (not his killing of innocents) is really enlightening. It is perhaps alarming to the government and other institutions as well.

Clearly, the government messed up with their gun grabbing agenda, at least how they went about it and such. Then this happens and the terrible handling of it by the police along with the possible burning of the cabin at the end. It just seems more and more people are saying enough is enough at all different levels. The thing with the bankers who stole billions from people and got no jail time to the handling of the Aaron Swartz case (suicide due to governments witch-hunt) is just growing and growing. Seems like the writing is on the wall.

I think the Dorner thing is a sign of things to come as well as a form of inspiration for others to act - the frustration is really rising in many people. I don't mean that it will be with violence necessarily, but that will be up to individuals and how the government responds. I will say this, something appears coming. Bookmark this, between now and August or so, I expect things to become very hot in America...

Why are people supporting him? Is this misplaced emotions that are tied to racism in a cartoonish evil empire such as the LAPD or do people really think he is some sort of tragic hero that others want to praise as being brave for avenging wrong doing? In the end when you read his manifesto it easily washes away feelings to support him because it is clearly the ramblings of a psycho who's brain snapped and betrayed humanity by seeking to kill innocent people. MLK, Ghandi, Mandella, and figures like that are the ones that should be lauded as heroes. This killer is nothing but a murderer who wanted to check out from civil society. I'm glad we don't have to go through a trial because it would have been as uncomfortable as the OJ Case.

I don't think people are supporting him per say. They are relating to him in one way or another. This is less about racism and more about injustice. There are so few expressions of people standing up to corruptness. When people go about the legal means to do so, it usually gets no where, gets tied up in the courts for years, further corruption ensues and on and on.

Instead of focusing on his manifesto (Which still contains valuable information) I would look at his life as a whole and what people have said about him. He doesn't at all come across as a crazy. He actually was, by all accounts, a model citizen that followed the law quite closely. When an injustice was done to him he tried to right it in a legal way... REPEATEDLY. That didn't work. Again, violence is no answer, but people are so caught up in survival with life, instead of living life that certain people are going to pop. And pop he did.

You see, Dorner was just a predictable result of a broken system. And as I said before, more is likely to come, you only need to see where things are going. Those greats you listed along with many others (Jesus, JFK and his brother, etc.) were most often MURDERED by the very governments that they were peacefully trying to change. Something's got to give...

It seems like we are lead by the least among us and a natural correction is in order - been going on for years and those men we have listed are another sign imo. I hope it can be a peaceful revolution that I see starting/happening/coming but those holding most people back, don't work that way and it takes patience, sacrifice and love to deal with them but they still kill and I'm not talking about the "Dorners" out there.

[johnnywishbone]

I don't think people are supporting him per say. They are relating to him in one way or another. This is less about racism and more about injustice. There are so few expressions of people standing up to corruptness. When people go about the legal means to do so, it usually gets no where, gets tied up in the courts for years, further corruption ensues and on and on.

Instead of focusing on his manifesto (Which still contains valuable information) I would look at his life as a whole and what people have said about him. He doesn't at all come across as a crazy. He actually was, by all accounts, a model citizen that followed the law quite closely. When an injustice was done to him he tried to right it in a legal way... REPEATEDLY. That didn't work. Again, violence is no answer, but people are so caught up in survival with life, instead of living life that certain people are going to pop. And pop he did.

You see, Dorner was just a predictable result of a broken system. And as I said before, more is likely to come, you only need to see where things are going. Those greats you listed along with many others (Jesus, JFK and his brother, etc.) were most often MURDERED by the very governments that they were peacefully trying to change. Something's got to give...

It seems like we are lead by the least among us and a natural correction is in order - been going on for years and those men we have listed are another sign imo. I hope it can be a peaceful revolution that I see starting/happening/coming but those holding most people back, don't work that way and it takes patience, sacrifice and love to deal with them but they still kill and I'm not talking about the "Dorners" out there.

RFK was killed by a crazy person like Dorner who was upset at RFK's support of Israel.

You don't stand up to corruption (which we really don't know if there was any) by killing innocent people. Whatever attention he hoped to bring to his cause he destroyed. He would have been better off climbing a tower and threatening to jump if his case wasn't opened back up Or if he really wanted to make a statement that would have resonated through time he could have self-immolated. He died in a fire anyway. This was about a person who had a victimization mind set that wanted to get even with someone he felt had aggrieved him. Showing support for someone like that, to me, represents a lack of empathy because you have to think about all the people whose lives were destroyed by his acts i.e. his parents, friends, the daughter, the boyfriend, the cop et al...

Back to Jesus for a moment. That's the whole point of Christianity and why it's a religion that fundamentally changed the World. Jesus wasn't an Arjuna or a David. He taught the message of love and compassion even if it costs you your life. And that's why he is still relevant to this day some 2000 years after the crucifixion. Will anybody remember this guy 12 months from now? The only people who will are the people whose lives he destroyed. And what kind of legacy is that?

[Daaaarryyl]

Will anybody remember this guy 12 months from now?

If he made (MUCH) better decisions he could have been a modern day Frank Serpico. I could have really admired him. He'll be forgotten now though, yes...

[Guano]

Really Kane? A punk? He killed another cop today and put another in the hospital before killing himself rather than be taken alive. That's not a punk. That is an aggrieved man with his back to the wall and no where to turn. Look, while I do not believe in his methods--meaning the use of violence--because he is lowering himself to the level of his white tormentors at LAPD, I certainly there is more to his grievances than is publicly being acknowledged. Why do you think the LAPD announced that they are reopening his case? Because they even realize that there is something to what this man was saying.

Your perspective is f*cked up.

He said he doesn't believe in violence, which most of us here agree with. The part of his perspective that you find F'd up then, is probably not a punk? Outside of the semantics, I don't agree with violence as a solution either, but I see the point that by doing so he clearly lowered himself to the tactics of the LAPD (at least historically speaking, they have been overly violent). I'm not saying all police are like that, but the LAPD have certainly "earned" their reputation.

It also appears that there is substantial evidence that Dorner was wronged. There are many accounts of people who were involved with his investigation that brings up more questions with the LAPD. And, someone with his exemplary history, does make one question why he popped like he did. It just doesn't look good for the LAPD.

Excuse me if I misunderstood your comment, but you didn't explain things...

I didn't think it needed more explanation. I don't condone what the LAPD did, but saying that Dorner lowered himself to his white tormentors at LAPD is a stupid statement. The man wanted to kill the family members of people that hurt/ruined his career. That isn't comparable.

I agree with camillepd views on a nonviolent approach, but like I said his perspective is f^cked up.

[earthmansurfer]

I don't think people are supporting him per say. They are relating to him in one way or another. This is less about racism and more about injustice. There are so few expressions of people standing up to corruptness. When people go about the legal means to do so, it usually gets no where, gets tied up in the courts for years, further corruption ensues and on and on.

Instead of focusing on his manifesto (Which still contains valuable information) I would look at his life as a whole and what people have said about him. He doesn't at all come across as a crazy. He actually was, by all accounts, a model citizen that followed the law quite closely. When an injustice was done to him he tried to right it in a legal way... REPEATEDLY. That didn't work. Again, violence is no answer, but people are so caught up in survival with life, instead of living life that certain people are going to pop. And pop he did.

You see, Dorner was just a predictable result of a broken system. And as I said before, more is likely to come, you only need to see where things are going. Those greats you listed along with many others (Jesus, JFK and his brother, etc.) were most often MURDERED by the very governments that they were peacefully trying to change. Something's got to give...

It seems like we are lead by the least among us and a natural correction is in order - been going on for years and those men we have listed are another sign imo. I hope it can be a peaceful revolution that I see starting/happening/coming but those holding most people back, don't work that way and it takes patience, sacrifice and love to deal with them but they still kill and I'm not talking about the "Dorners" out there.

RFK was killed by a crazy person like Dorner who was upset at RFK's support of Israel.

You don't stand up to corruption (which we really don't know if there was any) by killing innocent people. Whatever attention he hoped to bring to his cause he destroyed. He would have been better off climbing a tower and threatening to jump if his case wasn't opened back up Or if he really wanted to make a statement that would have resonated through time he could have self-immolated. He died in a fire anyway. This was about a person who had a victimization mind set that wanted to get even with someone he felt had aggrieved him. Showing support for someone like that, to me, represents a lack of empathy because you have to think about all the people whose lives were destroyed by his acts i.e. his parents, friends, the daughter, the boyfriend, the cop et al...

Back to Jesus for a moment. That's the whole point of Christianity and why it's a religion that fundamentally changed the World. Jesus wasn't an Arjuna or a David. He taught the message of love and compassion even if it costs you your life. And that's why he is still relevant to this day some 2000 years after the crucifixion. Will anybody remember this guy 12 months from now? The only people who will are the people whose lives he destroyed. And what kind of legacy is that?

Not to get off topic, but the RFK was a clear inside assassination done from a very high level, just as JFK's was. It doesn't take much time to see that. It is one of the more clear cut cases actually. It has all the makings of one, including the obvious patsy.

Anyway, I'm not here to give my opinion so much as I was observing peoples opinions regarding Dorner. You are flat out wrong that he destroyed his own cause. The reaction of the police department and all the webpages and support he received clearly shows that. Further, everyone that I have seen has been against his violence against innocents. So, we need to separate the violence he committed to the injustices he received, whether or not we agree with it. I'm just observing the internet and it is blatantly clear that the guy is getting support for his cause, but not for his violence. I was actually shocked it was so one sided. Lots of pent up injustice feelings from people out there.

So, I'm not trying to make this opinionated, rather observational. Not saying right or wrong. Just let the data points speak for themselves.

[TheToothFairy]

Will anybody remember this guy 12 months from now?

If he made (MUCH) better decisions he could have been a modern day Frank Serpico. I could have really admired him. He'll be forgotten now though, yes...

As a New Horker I remember Larry Davis

[earthmansurfer]

Your perspective is f*cked up.

He said he doesn't believe in violence, which most of us here agree with. The part of his perspective that you find F'd up then, is probably not a punk? Outside of the semantics, I don't agree with violence as a solution either, but I see the point that by doing so he clearly lowered himself to the tactics of the LAPD (at least historically speaking, they have been overly violent). I'm not saying all police are like that, but the LAPD have certainly "earned" their reputation.

It also appears that there is substantial evidence that Dorner was wronged. There are many accounts of people who were involved with his investigation that brings up more questions with the LAPD. And, someone with his exemplary history, does make one question why he popped like he did. It just doesn't look good for the LAPD.

Excuse me if I misunderstood your comment, but you didn't explain things...

I didn't think it needed more explanation. I don't condone what the LAPD did, but saying that Dorner lowered himself to his white tormentors at LAPD is a stupid statement. The man wanted to kill the family members of people that hurt/ruined his career. That isn't comparable.

I agree with camillepd views on a nonviolent approach, but like I said his perspective is f^cked up.

Everyone has their own perspective and the written word lacks a lot (e.g. facial expressions, intonations, etc.) compared to spoken, so it wasn't exactly clear to me, hence my question. I don't break down violence into different levels, it just isn't the solution apparently, but time will tell (unfortunately). He even said he was against violence and the violence Dorner did. That wasn't the issue. But, killing is killing - when the LAPD is violent to citizens, sometimes intentionally killing them, to me that is the same as killings innocents, what Dorner did. Killing is killing and based on fear. I don't really rate one as being worse than another, though it often appears like that at first glance.