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Rasho Brezec wrote:boomann21 wrote:If Walsh would of drafted Brandon Jennings, Kenneth Farried, and Lance Stephenson we would be looking so pretty right now. Instead we got Landry "The Brick Layer" Fields, Jordan "Beat my Girl" HIll, and the artist formerly known as Iman Shumpert.
If Walsh drafted 1 good player and 2 bad players instead of 1 good player and 2 bad players we would look the same.
Rasho Brezec wrote:If shooting below 40% for your career is considered good, then more than half of this league is filled with superstars.
Mr_Perfect wrote:RutgersBJJ wrote:He's doing the best with what he has to work with. Amare was here before he got here. Our top 10 pick in 2009 was not here because we drafted a bust who's salary we needed off the books. Grunnie wasn't the one who wasted a first round pick on Toney Douglas. ALL of our young players were gone instead of just our 2008 1st round pick in exchange for Melo because we drafted Gallo over Gordon and Lopez. Grunnie wasn't the one who drafted Shumpert over Faried.
He's responsible for Chandler over Billups, for Kidd, Camby, JR, and K-Mart all on the cheap. While his blunders were the contracts he gave Felton and Novak which run way too long for the bench caliber players they are.
Most of the blame falls on Walsh for his inability to amass talent while purging the roster of contracts and for HIS decision to give Amare a max contract. Walsh is the one who had full control, who constructed this rebuild, and decided to put 20 million of a 58 million dollar cap into an extremely risky asset which has returns that aren't even that valuable when he is healthy.
He's basically doing what Alderson is doing right now for the Mets, except Alderson actually got young players with real talent while purging the roster of overpaid veterans. Walsh forgot the young players with high ceilings part.
Yes, the man who saved the franchise from years more of laughingstock and failure ruined the team.
Not the owner who undermined his every move, but the only man who actually did something right here the last decade. Good post.
RutgersBJJ wrote:Mr_Perfect wrote:RutgersBJJ wrote:He's doing the best with what he has to work with. Amare was here before he got here. Our top 10 pick in 2009 was not here because we drafted a bust who's salary we needed off the books. Grunnie wasn't the one who wasted a first round pick on Toney Douglas. ALL of our young players were gone instead of just our 2008 1st round pick in exchange for Melo because we drafted Gallo over Gordon and Lopez. Grunnie wasn't the one who drafted Shumpert over Faried.
He's responsible for Chandler over Billups, for Kidd, Camby, JR, and K-Mart all on the cheap. While his blunders were the contracts he gave Felton and Novak which run way too long for the bench caliber players they are.
Most of the blame falls on Walsh for his inability to amass talent while purging the roster of contracts and for HIS decision to give Amare a max contract. Walsh is the one who had full control, who constructed this rebuild, and decided to put 20 million of a 58 million dollar cap into an extremely risky asset which has returns that aren't even that valuable when he is healthy.
He's basically doing what Alderson is doing right now for the Mets, except Alderson actually got young players with real talent while purging the roster of overpaid veterans. Walsh forgot the young players with high ceilings part.
Yes, the man who saved the franchise from years more of laughingstock and failure ruined the team.
Not the owner who undermined his every move, but the only man who actually did something right here the last decade. Good post.
I love how you just live in a fantasy world where it wasn't Walsh who signed Amare. All Walsh did when he came here was what anyone with half a brain would do. Yet you apparently appoint him the messiah just because he isn't as dumb as the moron before him. All he did was convince fans to tolerate purging every contract we had off the books. Unfortunately he has a terrible eye for championship level talent which is why he chose to commit 20 million a year to a player who isn't even as good as the PF we had on the roster before the purge. Drafted Jordan Hill when even a scrub like Brandon Jennings is better than him and would have had more trade value than him. Drafted Gallinari over an all-star (Lopez), and the piece that single-handedly got Chris Paul. That singular draft pick is now why we get the privilege watching JR Smith be our sixth-man and not Wilson Chandler. Then to make matters even worse his final gift to this franchise was to draft Iman Shumpert over Kenneth Faried.
Walsh gave Amare 100 million dollars. Amare as of now has received close to 40 million of that in exchange for 1 playoff win with him, two playoffs in a row he has let us down with his health that was a concern before he was even signed. Certainly seems like a joke to me. Maybe some of you are okay with being slightly better than average, but I'm not. Walsh sold the fans on a plan that would get us to contend for a title, not one that would have us switch places with the 2007-2010 Atlanta Hawks.
All Walsh had to do was not waste the 100 million on Amare or get great value from even 1 of his draft picks. He failed us just like he failed the Pacers, and is why he will die without ever knowing what a championship ring looks like on his finger. Close isn't good enough, certainly not in this city.
NYK_89 wrote:He did what he could, signing Lin would have made us a lot better but i can sorta understand being afraid of the like 50m in tax for lin.....
Ewing2Melo wrote:People want to blame him for Lin?!?! The guy had 2 good weeks in NY, the NY media made him out to be something he's not.. a superstar.
You can't overpay someone for having 2 good weeks than getting injured. He wanted to get paid. The Knicks actually made their first smart move in a long time.
GONYK wrote:Ewing2Melo wrote:People want to blame him for Lin?!?! The guy had 2 good weeks in NY, the NY media made him out to be something he's not.. a superstar.
You can't overpay someone for having 2 good weeks than getting injured. He wanted to get paid. The Knicks actually made their first smart move in a long time.
Not really. He didn't adversely affect the cap. The only thing he affected was the lux tax.
Lin is not a star at this stage of his career, but he would have been a great change-of-pace guard for us, and another source of offense at the very least.
seren wrote:Ewing2Melo wrote:People want to blame him for Lin?!?! The guy had 2 good weeks in NY, the NY media made him out to be something he's not.. a superstar.
You can't overpay someone for having 2 good weeks than getting injured. He wanted to get paid. The Knicks actually made their first smart move in a long time.
The only thing that would be affected was Dolan's bottomline.
Just goes to show you Dolan doesn't care about winning a championship.
Cheap bast*rd...
GettinitDone wrote:Lin would have done wonders for us. I'm his fan for a reason, he has this knack for influencing his teammates to run and move the ball. The Rockets team without him playing iso-Harden are a sorry ass team, but when Lin plays and starts moving the ball, and sacrificing, the whole team also moves the ball.
I remember vividly when Woody took helm last year, when Melo got back from injuries, we were blowing out teams because we set the tempo offensively in the beginning of games and jumped on teams in the first quarters. In the middle of it all was Lin quarterbacking everything. Everyone had the ball. Those that didn't have the ball kept moving and kept finding ways to be open. Shump got 1-2 alley oops a game from Lin, Fields got 1-2 backdoor cut alley oops a game from Lin. Everyone had easy baskets and because the offense was so easy, they made commitment to play D. Now in contrast, the iso stuff made it hard for everyone to contribute offensively and when the offense is hard, players naturally worry about it more than defense.
I am a fan of Lin not because of Linsanity, or hoping he would average 30ppg and 15apg... but rather, again, he has uncanny knack for making his teammates move the ball, sacrifice, and focus on one thing they have in common: winning.
But apparently, Felton is "a much better fit" for this team. You can never win in multi-billion dollar industry worrying about money. Being money smart is appreciated, but should never get in the way of good judgment/ analysis of talent. And out of all teams, we are the most valuable, richest, capital city of the world and the owner of this team is worried about several millions of dollars? Damn.
GONYK wrote:MaseInYourFace wrote:Yup Novak was a bad signing. But it's not too much of a killer either. If you want to kill Grunwald for anything it's that he didn't leave himself a lot of space for flexibility for the next few years. He basically locked himself in for the next couple of years.
The only clear mistake I think Grunwald pulled was picking up Chauncey's contracts, then amnestying him like a week later.
That was our get out of jail free card, and we used it on a player who we didn't have to pay in the first place.
I know why he did it. We would have need Billups' contract in any potential CP3 deal. But to commit to the longshot, and then waste the amnesty after it was a bit ridiculous.
greenhughes wrote:GONYK wrote:MaseInYourFace wrote:Yup Novak was a bad signing. But it's not too much of a killer either. If you want to kill Grunwald for anything it's that he didn't leave himself a lot of space for flexibility for the next few years. He basically locked himself in for the next couple of years.
The only clear mistake I think Grunwald pulled was picking up Chauncey's contracts, then amnestying him like a week later.
That was our get out of jail free card, and we used it on a player who we didn't have to pay in the first place.
I know why he did it. We would have need Billups' contract in any potential CP3 deal. But to commit to the longshot, and then waste the amnesty after it was a bit ridiculous.
I will never forgive him for that.
greenhughes wrote:GONYK wrote:MaseInYourFace wrote:Yup Novak was a bad signing. But it's not too much of a killer either. If you want to kill Grunwald for anything it's that he didn't leave himself a lot of space for flexibility for the next few years. He basically locked himself in for the next couple of years.
The only clear mistake I think Grunwald pulled was picking up Chauncey's contracts, then amnestying him like a week later.
That was our get out of jail free card, and we used it on a player who we didn't have to pay in the first place.
I know why he did it. We would have need Billups' contract in any potential CP3 deal. But to commit to the longshot, and then waste the amnesty after it was a bit ridiculous.
I will never forgive him for that.
Thugger HBC wrote:greenhughes wrote:GONYK wrote:
The only clear mistake I think Grunwald pulled was picking up Chauncey's contracts, then amnestying him like a week later.
That was our get out of jail free card, and we used it on a player who we didn't have to pay in the first place.
I know why he did it. We would have need Billups' contract in any potential CP3 deal. But to commit to the longshot, and then waste the amnesty after it was a bit ridiculous.
I will never forgive him for that.
I'm hoping GONYK means Donnie Walsh because Grunwald didnt pick up billups option, it was done one week after we got swept, Grunwald wasnt in office then, Walsh was.
and for the record, Billups was amnestied during the next season...has everyone forgot we had a lockup?
Billups option...April 2011
Billups amnesty...December 2011.