MeloDrama 6.5: The Prelude

[KnicksManiac]

Robert Randolph also said that Bargs would fit in well with with the triangle offense. So there's that.

I think he fits the triangle offense to. A big that can hit the 12/18 footer consistently.

Bargnani doesn't fit in any offense. He's awful.

[K_ick_God]

Didn't you say building through the draft (and also through cap space by extension) was a bad idea because we don't have a 2016 pick?

I avoid absolutes, is where this is going.

Yes, I think a draft rebuild is a WORSE idea than a Melo at the max rebuild.

But I rarely say anything is certain or impossible.

Yes, the Knicks could get the second coming of Jordan in 2015. I still think new-Jordan could use a good wing man so not having a 2016 pick is in NO way a good thing, but I'm not ruling anything out.

I just think ANYONE putting weight in the $4m between Melo at the max in 2015 and melo at what people want his salary to be ALSO have to acknowledge 2015 is significantly worse than 2015 and 2016.

Harping over one and glossing over the other seems ridiculously dishonest.

It's probably a coin flip between the two, and largely based on luck to the point where predicting either one is difficult or a waste of time.

I will say that getting the sure thing appeals to me intuitively, and then I look at the Knicks' history -- largely built on securing the sure thing, and paying that sure thing Max money -- and compare it to the other teams ... and we're definitely below average in terms of the success of our team building. But that could just be bad luck lol.

The Heat right now is a lesson in securing the sure thing too. The Celtics more or less did the same thing a decade ago and it worked.

[don't panac]

Robert Randolph also said that Bargs would fit in well with with the triangle offense. So there's that.

I think he fits the triangle offense to. A big that can hit the 12/18 footer consistently.

unless his departure can help with a big signing, i would like to see him stay.
i certainly wouldn't use any asset to get rid of his contract (unless it is needed for a second max move)
i know he is deeply hated here, but i think his main issue is health, not his game.
if he can stay healthy he can contribute, especially in a defined role.
the question is, can he stay healthy, and will he be in shape at the beginning of the season?

[suicidedeuce]

Yes, it sucks we lost the 2016 pick, but I am not about to compound the problem.

That's all I was asking for.

Melo at his max, with his raises, at his age, with his shoulders, with THIS team, just isn't going to win a title. If Phil has some tricks up his sleeves and gets the Gasols, along with other key players, then that is a different story.

How about Melo at $4m less than the max next year?

[ChiBulls09]

Good afternoon everyone

[Capn'O]

Im still wondering how Riley talked Wade into opting out, I know Riley is up to things but I dont understand why Wade would do that?

That's sketchy as all getout.

[Greenie]

The response:

So your answer is no. Not having a draft pick isn't problematic when want to build through the draft.

Fair enough.

We still have our 2015 pick (which obviously will be a lottery pick if we lose Melo). And my plan is the S&T with Chicago and get as many assets as we can and send out JR Smith for extra cap space.

At this point, we will have a ton of a cap room for the off-season, a lottery pick (hopefully top 5), and another good pick (and Sac's pick could be 11-15 or pushed to next season). Plus we can get the Bulls pick in 2015 or 2016. I prefer 2015 because it can be swapped (although protected) with the Cavs pick.

Young assets/players:

THJ
Early
Greek Freak
MCD
Mirotic
Larkin
Tyler
Shump (who may not come back to clear cap space for two max contracts)
2015 lottery pick
2015 Sac pick
2015 pick (swap eligible)
Second round picks.

Vet player: Calderon

I am not saying we are going to win a title over night, but with Phil now able to build the team in his vision, I am more than okay with going this route. Yes, it sucks we lost the 2016 pick, but I am not about to compound the problem.

Melo at his max, with his raises, at his age, with his shoulders, with THIS team, just isn't going to win a title. If Phil has some tricks up his sleeves and gets the Gasols, along with other key players, then that is a different story.

____

And I shouldn't have used the word sh*t, but you did say "not in the least". So to me, that means you don't even think that is close to being anything decent.

I didn't get a chance to respond to you before, so I will now.
First, don't be a jackass when I simply stated a fact. We did in fact have both young players and cap space going into 2010....young players who were regarded at much higher levels than McD, the euro, Shump, Timmy and Larkin. So keep it cute.

Second, established star players prefer to go to teams that are ready to win right away. Maybe not championship ready, but at least a good playoff run ready.

That team you posted is nowhere near ready to compete even for a playoff spot. How do you plan on attracting "stars" with that? If free agency is the route we take Melo is more of an asset than you think or are willing to accept.

Your scenario is for the full rebuild and your willing to dig in with years of losing, because that team is gonna lose and lose ugly. With that in mind, missing the 2016 pick is beyond a huge problem as that will in fact be a lottery pick....it's just two years away.

Your rebuild plan is better suited for us to start after Phil leaves which will be 5 years from now and hopefully we will possess ALL of our picks in consecutive succession so that we have a steady flow of young prospects rated decently coming into the NBA.

Your plan is not wrong. It has kinks, but it's not wrong.

That being said Phil is not here to rebuild from the ground up. He was brought here to keep and build around Melo and you need to put your foot on what I'm saying because it is no lie. Phil is 70 years old with a 5 year contract, this is about winning now. With this team as constructed, you do in fact need to keep Melo at all costs. He is the key for recruiting free agents to come here in the next few years. The difference between having Melo on your team recruiting to not having a Melo here to recruit is the difference between your big free agent signings being Gordan and Frye or your free agent signings be Gasol.

[god shammgod]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/486558112300531712[/tweet]

this is the kind of info that's really important

Did they share any appetizers? Have dessert?? Who picked up the bill? So many questions need answering

ask and you shall receive

Jeff Zillgitt ‏@JeffZillgitt 3m

In news that will thrill @KBergCBS, PR person at LAVO e-mailed to say LeBron James and Dwyane Wade stuck to Paleo diet for dinner last night

[god shammgod]

Tim MacMahon ‏@espn_macmahon 8m

Raymond Felton readily admits he stunk last season in NY. He's excited about fresh start with Mavs, motivated to prove he can still play.

oh, f*ck him. f*ck him.

[emo]

Is today supposed to be the day?

What's the update on the update?

I haven't been following this sh*t very closely.

we know nothing and likely we will not know anything for quite a while more.

the knicks might or might not trying to offload amar'e on philly
the knicks might or might not trying to acquire Pau
the knicks might or might not trying to offload bargs
the knicks might or might not trying to acquire Lebron
the knicks might or might not be closer to resign melo.

oh, and Carl2860 might or might not be anticipating something good- -or bad- is going to go down, sooner or later.

I appreciate the rundown.

Who the hell is Carl2860?

[makeitstop]

Tim MacMahon ‏@espn_macmahon 8m

Raymond Felton readily admits he stunk last season in NY. He's excited about fresh start with Mavs, motivated to prove he can still play.

oh, f*ck him. f*ck him.

That's pretty much exactly what he said when he came back here, isn't it?

[suicidedeuce]

Tim MacMahon ‏@espn_macmahon 8m

Raymond Felton readily admits he stunk last season in NY. He's excited about fresh start with Mavs, motivated to prove he can still play.

oh, f*ck him. f*ck him.

If I had a dime for every time Felton wanted to prove he could still play, I'd have 30 cents.

btw, unless I misremember, Raymond Felton was once the 5th pick in an NBA draft.

Once upon a time, some fans just like us were all excited about Ray Felton and how he was going to be the steal of the lottery and couldn't wait to see him debut in summer league.

If that doesn't send a chill down the backs of you rebuild through the draft guys, then you're beyond help.

[Starksfor3]

Is today supposed to be the day?

What's the update on the update?

I haven't been following this sh*t very closely.

we know nothing and likely we will not know anything for quite a while more.

the knicks might or might not trying to offload amar'e on philly
the knicks might or might not trying to acquire Pau
the knicks might or might not trying to offload bargs
the knicks might or might not trying to acquire Lebron
the knicks might or might not be closer to resign melo.

oh, and Carl2860 might or might not be anticipating something good- -or bad- is going to go down, sooner or later.

I appreciate the rundown.

Who the hell is Carl2860?

[Mr Rabbit]

Tim MacMahon ‏@espn_macmahon 8m

Raymond Felton readily admits he stunk last season in NY. He's excited about fresh start with Mavs, motivated to prove he can still play.

oh, f*ck him. f*ck him.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DwainPrice/status/486567707978919937[/tweet]
This guy misquoted Felton. What the tweet should read:

I'm just a shi*ty point guard who plays horribly on both ends and that can eat pretty much a little bit of everything.'' -- #Mavs PG Raymond Felton

[emo]

Tim MacMahon ‏@espn_macmahon 8m

Raymond Felton readily admits he stunk last season in NY. He's excited about fresh start with Mavs, motivated to prove he can still play.

oh, f*ck him. f*ck him.

Make it do what it do, Ray.

I'm rooting for the pudgy mofo.

[Moose]

Yes, it sucks we lost the 2016 pick, but I am not about to compound the problem.

That's all I was asking for.

Melo at his max, with his raises, at his age, with his shoulders, with THIS team, just isn't going to win a title. If Phil has some tricks up his sleeves and gets the Gasols, along with other key players, then that is a different story.

How about Melo at $4m less than the max next year?

I honestly can't remember, but I think the max Melo can make is 20 mill for next season. And I think we still have to let Shump go under than scenario. I'd have to find my old posts or do the math all over again, and also again, I am not a cap wizard and probably made mistakes.

It would be great if someone can lay it all out there for us.

[fresko024]

Plan if Melo doesn't come back has to be to use these assets to trade for KLove

[makeitstop]

Yes, it sucks we lost the 2016 pick, but I am not about to compound the problem.

That's all I was asking for.

Melo at his max, with his raises, at his age, with his shoulders, with THIS team, just isn't going to win a title. If Phil has some tricks up his sleeves and gets the Gasols, along with other key players, then that is a different story.

How about Melo at $4m less than the max next year?

I honestly can't remember, but I think the max Melo can make is 20 mill for next season. And I think we still have to let Shump go under than scenario. I'd have to find my old posts or do the math all over again, and also again, I am not a cap wizard and probably made mistakes.

It would be great if someone can lay it all out there for us.

I think Melo's max number for next year would be $22.4 mil. Could be wrong, though.

[Dbloc123]

Tim MacMahon ‏@espn_macmahon 8m

Raymond Felton readily admits he stunk last season in NY. He's excited about fresh start with Mavs, motivated to prove he can still play.

oh, f*ck him. f*ck him.

If I had a dime for every time Felton wanted to prove he could still play, I'd have 30 cents.

btw, unless I misremember, Raymond Felton was once the 5th pick in an NBA draft.

Once upon a time, some fans just like us were all excited about Ray Felton and how he was going to be the steal of the lottery and couldn't wait to see him debut in summer league.

If that doesn't send a chill down the backs of you rebuild through the draft guys, then you're beyond help.

Whats even more crazy was his championship teammates at NC Sean May and Marvin Williams all were supposed to only get better in the pros.. Drafting is always a crap shoot.

[Moose]

So your answer is no. Not having a draft pick isn't problematic when want to build through the draft.

Fair enough.

We still have our 2015 pick (which obviously will be a lottery pick if we lose Melo). And my plan is the S&T with Chicago and get as many assets as we can and send out JR Smith for extra cap space.

At this point, we will have a ton of a cap room for the off-season, a lottery pick (hopefully top 5), and another good pick (and Sac's pick could be 11-15 or pushed to next season). Plus we can get the Bulls pick in 2015 or 2016. I prefer 2015 because it can be swapped (although protected) with the Cavs pick.

Young assets/players:

THJ
Early
Greek Freak
MCD
Mirotic
Larkin
Tyler
Shump (who may not come back to clear cap space for two max contracts)
2015 lottery pick
2015 Sac pick
2015 pick (swap eligible)
Second round picks.

Vet player: Calderon

I am not saying we are going to win a title over night, but with Phil now able to build the team in his vision, I am more than okay with going this route. Yes, it sucks we lost the 2016 pick, but I am not about to compound the problem.

Melo at his max, with his raises, at his age, with his shoulders, with THIS team, just isn't going to win a title. If Phil has some tricks up his sleeves and gets the Gasols, along with other key players, then that is a different story.

____

And I shouldn't have used the word sh*t, but you did say "not in the least". So to me, that means you don't even think that is close to being anything decent.

I didn't get a chance to respond to you before, so I will now.
First, don't be a jackass when I simply stated a fact. We did in fact have both young players and cap space going into 2010....young players who were regarded at much higher levels than McD, the euro, Shump, Timmy and Larkin. So keep it cute.

Second, established star players prefer to go to teams that are ready to win right away. Maybe not championship ready, but at least a good playoff run ready.

That team you posted is nowhere near ready to compete even for a playoff spot. How do you plan on attracting "stars" with that? If free agency is the route we take Melo is more of an asset than you think or are willing to accept.

Your scenario is for the full rebuild and your willing to dig in with years of losing, because that team is gonna lose and lose ugly. With that in mind, missing the 2016 pick is beyond a huge problem as that will in fact be a lottery pick....it's just two years away.

Your rebuild plan is better suited for us to start after Phil leaves which will be 5 years from now and hopefully we will possess ALL of our picks in consecutive succession so that we have a steady flow of young prospects rated decently coming into the NBA.

Your plan is not wrong. It has kinks, but it's not wrong.

That being said Phil is not here to rebuild from the ground up. He was brought here to keep and build around Melo and you need to put your foot on what I'm saying because it is no lie. Phil is 70 years old with a 5 year contract, this is about winning now. With this team as constructed, you do in fact need to keep Melo at all costs. He is the key for recruiting free agents to come here in the next few years. The difference between having Melo on your team recruiting to not having a Melo here to recruit is the difference between your big free agent signings being Gordan and Frye or your free agent signings be Gasol.

I would have to do the math again, but I believe we won't be able to offer a max contract (or close to it) if melo is making his max with proper raises.

I think if he makes 20 mill next season, we would be close to being able to offer the max to someone like Gasol.

Again, we really need someone to break it down for us without the mistakes that I may have made.