Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

[ibraheim718]

He has had some weight issues in the past that concern me as well. Again there is no doubting his offensive ability and the people comparing him to Eddy Curry are wrong. Eddy Curry was just big and strong and had a baby hook.

Okafor has some of the best footwork and post moves I have seen out of a college big in a while. One of the most polished offensive products. However the question is does he have the motor to be a great rebounder/defender and I am not sure that is something you can teach.

I just love Towns athletic ability and I see a little Anthony Davis in Towns game. And if he is just half what Davis is we have a really really good all around player on our hands.

I stayed up till 1 am watching Davis play last night and I think he impacts the game more than LeBron at this point. Having a 2-way big like that can change a franchise. I know Towns and he isn't seeing major minutes due to Kentucky depth but his per 40 is out of control and he just has a lot of skills that I like.

Find me a better comparison than Curry. Ok, so Okafor is more polished in the footwork department. Comparisons are not meant to be EXACT. They're not clones made in a mad scientist's lab. Physical strengths/weaknesses that's as close a comparison as you're gonna get. I guess you're one of the ones who since he has footwork says "he's the next Tim Duncan" ...nevermind the fact that he only plays on one side of the floor. Like I said, find me a better comparison. Curry is as close as you're gonna get.

My first thought was Eddy Curry, but he has so many other skills that I actually liken him to a bit taller Chris Webber.
handles: CHECK
Passing: Check
Post moves: Check
Swag: Check.

Chris Webber is actually a pretty good comp. As far as offensively. Big hands.. comfortable with his back to the basket. Surprisingly good ball handler for a guy his size and can face his man up around the elbow which surprised me.

He moves 1000x better than Curry and is more agile for a guy that size.

[2010]

You guys are confusing me. Are you actually comparing Okafor to Webber? LOL

If anything Towns is more like Webber.

Okafor is Curry w/ passing and footwork...

[ibraheim718]

Why do people keep saying Okafor has good athleticism?

His athleticism is Cousins bad, Towns is better athletically than him.

It's because when you take into account how big he is he's actually quite athletic. You have to add context to it. He's 6'10 270.. that's huge. Like Shaq.. people don't think athleticism when they think of Shaq but for how big he was he was pretty athletic.

[Manhattan Project]

Do people even remember Webber before the injury?

[ibraheim718]

You guys are confusing me. Are you actually comparing Okafor to Webber? LOL

If anything Towns is more like Webber.

Okafor is Curry w/ passing and footwork...

C-Webb played with his back to the basket way more than this Towns kid does. Take them both Okafor and Webber and look at them in the block.. you can make the comparison. He ain't Curry though.. Curry couldn't move like he can. In that game against Wisconsin he faced up Kaminsky on the right elbow and drove right past him off the dribble.

[2010]

Why do people keep saying Okafor has good athleticism?

His athleticism is Cousins bad, Towns is better athletically than him.

It's because when you take into account how big he is he's actually quite athletic. You have to add context to it. He's 6'10 270.. that's huge. Like Shaq.. people don't think athleticism when they think of Shaq but for how big he was he was pretty athletic.

Shaq was definitely viewed as athletic. Super athletic in fact. Shaq was a freak of nature man.

Okafor is not athletic. I mean he' can dunk but for the most part he will be a below the rim player for his career who uses his body and angles to score in the post (along with footwork).

I think you need to watch Okafor a bit more...

[ibraheim718]

Do people even remember Webber before the injury?

Look at Cwebb at 1:10 of this video and at 3:30 and 4:18. Every post highlight.. they're back to the basket games are comparable. Now Webber was a better runner of the floor, had much better handles, and eventually became a decent mid range shooter. But down in the post there are similarities.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM8lsrwsQqM[/youtube]

[2010]

You guys are confusing me. Are you actually comparing Okafor to Webber? LOL

If anything Towns is more like Webber.

Okafor is Curry w/ passing and footwork...

C-Webb played with his back to the basket way more than this Towns kid does. Take them both Okafor and Webber and look at them in the block.. you can make the comparison. He ain't Curry though.. Curry couldn't move like he can. In that game against Wisconsin he faced up Kaminsky on the right elbow and drove right past him off the dribble.

Curry before he stopped caring was extremely nimble for a man his size. He was Bam Bam Bigelow athletic. Very light on his feet. Either you forgot what Curry looked like when he actually showed promise or you're not too in tune with Okafor's game. You even admitted you only watched him play once. Curry could move man. You must be thinking of Curry at the tail end when he ate himself out of the league.

[ibraheim718]

Why do people keep saying Okafor has good athleticism?

His athleticism is Cousins bad, Towns is better athletically than him.

It's because when you take into account how big he is he's actually quite athletic. You have to add context to it. He's 6'10 270.. that's huge. Like Shaq.. people don't think athleticism when they think of Shaq but for how big he was he was pretty athletic.

Shaq was definitely viewed as athletic. Super athletic in fact. Shaq was a freak of nature man.

Okafor is not athletic. I mean he' can dunk but for the most part he will be a below the rim player for his career who uses his body and angles to score in the post (along with footwork).

I think you need to watch Okafor a bit more...

You can be a below the rim player and be considered athletic.. especially if you're 6'10" 270. And I've seen enough of him to tell that for his size he's athletic.

[2010]

As or Towns, he hasn't been getting touches in the post because Coach Cal isn't calling any plays for him. He's using him as a defense anchor and a rebounder. But Towns can definitely play with his back to the basket. Not as polished as Okafor with the footwork but he has a good jumphook and up and under moves. Watch them more bro.

[ibraheim718]

You guys are confusing me. Are you actually comparing Okafor to Webber? LOL

If anything Towns is more like Webber.

Okafor is Curry w/ passing and footwork...

C-Webb played with his back to the basket way more than this Towns kid does. Take them both Okafor and Webber and look at them in the block.. you can make the comparison. He ain't Curry though.. Curry couldn't move like he can. In that game against Wisconsin he faced up Kaminsky on the right elbow and drove right past him off the dribble.

Curry before he stopped caring was extremely nimble for a man his size. He was Bam Bam Bigelow athletic. Very light on his feet. Either you forgot what Curry looked like when he actually showed promise or you're not too in tune with Okafor's game. You even admitted you only watched him play once. Curry could move man. You must be thinking of Curry at the tail end when he ate himself out of the league.

Man.. stop tripping. I've seen him play as much as anyone else. I said I've seen him play one game from cover to cover. But I've seen every single one of his Duke highlgihts on a game to game basis and I've read every scouting report and seen every scouting video. I know who the F I'm talking about.

[ibraheim718]

His athletic ability translates into production on the boards and in transition. Okafor is a difficult body to box out or push around, and has proven able to reach the ball at a higher point than the average opponent due to his leaping ability and long arms. He grabbed 18.5 percent of available rebounds when he was on the floor in the U19 Worlds, which ranked him 12th.

It is not just the thick frame and athletic ability that are well advanced when you consider his age, though. Okafor is the owner of a very well developed post game, the type you don’t see that often even that the pro level in this day and age. His patience surveying the other eight players around him is incredibly impressive and his moves are all very fluid. Eighteen year olds usually have a go-to move they use often or you can notice them taking a second to think what exactly they are going to do. But not Okafor, who has a variety of ways to attack an opponent and makes his decision of which to use in a pinch.

http://upsidemotor.com/2014/08/27/jahli ... gust-2014/

[2010]

It's because when you take into account how big he is he's actually quite athletic. You have to add context to it. He's 6'10 270.. that's huge. Like Shaq.. people don't think athleticism when they think of Shaq but for how big he was he was pretty athletic.

Shaq was definitely viewed as athletic. Super athletic in fact. Shaq was a freak of nature man.

Okafor is not athletic. I mean he' can dunk but for the most part he will be a below the rim player for his career who uses his body and angles to score in the post (along with footwork).

I think you need to watch Okafor a bit more...

You can be a below the rim player and be considered athletic.. especially if you're 6'10" 270. And I've seen enough of him to tell that for his size he's athletic.

In terms of normal human beings walking around at that size, yes he's athletic. But he doesn't have big NBA athleticism. Which is what he's judged on when they question his athleticism. There's a reason that the scouting reports on him state he is not going to be a considered athletic. Watch DX's scouting report vid on him. Read NBADraft.net's scouting reports on him. And watch more live games of him.

[Manhattan Project]

This is how I have them, granted I hate comparisons because to me it's down right lazy. Every player is their own player and always something is going to be different.

Okafor = Cousins without the drive. That effort that Cousins puts in on the boards is something Okafor is unlikely ever to reach. However Okafor was probably just a little bit more refined with his post moves, but it's damn close. People forget how good Cousins really was for Kentucky, for some reason people only cared about Wall.

Towns = Dirk and LMA offspring. Towns is very patient with the ball, he has a nice little post game and has range out to the three point line. He's a very willing passer, can pick and pop and play inside and out with ease. With someone his size he can be a mismatch problem and he has good handling a solid agility. I believe in his willingness to be great, he's a very smart kid. So damn crafty!

[ibraheim718]

And anyone saying he's not athletic is just not putting his size into the proper context.

[Manhattan Project]

Look at Cwebb at 1:10 of this video and at 3:30 and 4:18. Every post highlight.. they're back to the basket games are comparable. Now Webber was a better runner of the floor, had much better handles, and eventually became a decent mid range shooter. But down in the post there are similarities.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM8lsrwsQqM[/youtube]

OK that I won't really disagree with, I thought you were comparing the entire package to each other.

[ibraheim718]

Shaq was definitely viewed as athletic. Super athletic in fact. Shaq was a freak of nature man.

Okafor is not athletic. I mean he' can dunk but for the most part he will be a below the rim player for his career who uses his body and angles to score in the post (along with footwork).

I think you need to watch Okafor a bit more...

You can be a below the rim player and be considered athletic.. especially if you're 6'10" 270. And I've seen enough of him to tell that for his size he's athletic.

In terms of normal human beings walking around at that size, yes he's athletic. But he doesn't have big NBA athleticism. Which is what he's judged on when they question his athleticism. There's a reason that the scouting reports on him state he is not going to be a considered athletic. Watch DX's scouting report vid on him. Read NBADraft.net's scouting reports on him. And watch more live games of him.

Givony himself said he was a good athlete. I watched the same damn ish you watched. Now what you watched the Duke-Army game? Tell me to watch him live one more time as if you're in the stands with your bag of popcorn taking notes in your yellow legal pad.

[ibraheim718]

Look at Cwebb at 1:10 of this video and at 3:30 and 4:18. Every post highlight.. they're back to the basket games are comparable. Now Webber was a better runner of the floor, had much better handles, and eventually became a decent mid range shooter. But down in the post there are similarities.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM8lsrwsQqM[/youtube]

OK that I won't really disagree with, I thought you were comparing the entire package to each other.

No just their back to the basket games.

[DowNY]

A Towns/Monroe combo in the offseason is a success.

Dump Calderon & JR & get Rondo added to that & we're good for the future.

[2010]

C-Webb played with his back to the basket way more than this Towns kid does. Take them both Okafor and Webber and look at them in the block.. you can make the comparison. He ain't Curry though.. Curry couldn't move like he can. In that game against Wisconsin he faced up Kaminsky on the right elbow and drove right past him off the dribble.

Curry before he stopped caring was extremely nimble for a man his size. He was Bam Bam Bigelow athletic. Very light on his feet. Either you forgot what Curry looked like when he actually showed promise or you're not too in tune with Okafor's game. You even admitted you only watched him play once. Curry could move man. You must be thinking of Curry at the tail end when he ate himself out of the league.

Man.. stop tripping. I've seen him play as much as anyone else. I said I've seen him play one game from cover to cover. But I've seen every single one of his Duke highlgihts on a game to game basis and I've read every scouting report and seen every scouting video. I know who the F I'm talking about.

Dude, you obviously don't know wtf you're talking about. You claim Curry "couldn't move like he can". Curry was even bigger than Okafor and was more athletic. Now Okafor has more HANDLE but he's not athletic. He's not a run/jump athlete. What he is, is more skilled. More fundamental.

Weaknesses: Not a great athlete, rebounder, or shot blocker... Lack of athleticism and ability to be a game changer on the defensive end limits his upside ... Has trouble moving his feet in pick and roll situations ... Not a great shooter and doesn't offer much in terms of pick and pop situations ... Doesn't rebound out of his area ... Doesn't impact the game defensively ... Has problems finishing over length due to the fact that he's not an explosive athlete ... Conditioning has been an issue, though he has shown solid dedication to improving his body ... Lack of athleticism will hurt him at the NBA level ... Close to being a finished product, lacks great upside, will be dominant in college ...

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jahlil-okafor

Like I said. You don't know wtf you're talking about. Go watch more youtube vids