Knicks thinking unthinkable with excelling Bargnani: a return?

Post #101 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:38 pm

We have the memory of a grasshopper...

He really is the free agent we deserve.

SmoothLefty21 · Post #102 » by **SmoothLefty21** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:39 pm

Simply from a chemistry/culture/locker room perspective - hell no. Sure, if he's dirt cheap he's an okay 4th big man to give a few minutes to a game but how often is he a net negative when he's on the court. As the saying goes, he's instant offense at both ends of the floor.

Post #103 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:40 pm

god shammgod wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Bargs at $3M per would be a really good deal.

not you too kg

The way I look at it, if we're going to build a team that surprises us/others, it will have to be with one or two really talented players way outperforming their contracts. I don't expect him to be an All-Star but Bargs could be one of those guys who gives you production at a cheap price.

BKlutch · Post #104 » by **BKlutch** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:43 pm

Bob Ross wrote:I dunno. When I think of Bargs I think of one thing:

Knicks Division Champs
Raptors suck

Knicks get Bargs

Raptors Division Champs
Knicks suck, then become the worst team in the league.

I will call this science. Bargs = the worst

"Correlation is not causation." But I'm absolutely certain that trade was their final nail in the coffin.

Post #105 » by **moocow007** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:44 pm

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:
Indeed wrote:

90% or more of those guys will be getting more than the minimum

And I thought the most important question is, how many of those can play the Triangle.
If you need a truck, would you pay cheap for a compact car? Or the other way around, if you want to save gas, would you buy a big truck?

I think it is more important to spend the money based on the strategy. I think even Acy is better than a lot of the players above, who has some range on his shot. However, he is not very understanding on the Triangle system, which seems to suggest Bargnani should play ahead of Acy based on the Triangle system beside Amundson (who is another hustle player).

If Bargnani is such a good fit with the triangle, we might wanna consider changing the system.

You're Mr. Furious (Ben Stiller's character from Mystery Men) aren't you?

Johnny Hoops · Post #106 » by **Johnny Hoops** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:45 pm

GONYK wrote:
Sark wrote:Post defense?

Bargnani is a very good post defender. He's just a terrible everything else defender.

One year for the minimum? I can live with that. We will need cheap talent and Bargs will be playing for a contract commensurate with his dependability.

Anything beyond one year? Not interested.

In all honesty Bargs is one of the best post defenders I've seen in this damn league. The guy holds his own in the damn post, he uses his size length very well, keeps his hands up and never leaves his feet. Pretty simple but so many guys are bad at defending the post.

Bargs primary issues are injuries and his seemingly apparent inability to blend in with his teammates. He just seems aloof - as if he could give a crap about any of his teammates. Even in his interviews with Tina -- he just seems very cold / distant.

Post #107 » by **moocow007** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:45 pm

SmoothLefty21 wrote:Simply from a chemistry/culture/locker room perspective - hell no. Sure, if he's dirt cheap he's an okay 4th big man to give a few minutes to a game but how often is he a net negative when he's on the court. As the saying goes, he's instant offense at both ends of the floor.

So you're calling Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher idiots? Cause they are the one's that is keeping and playing him. Jackson could have waived him just like he did with Stoudemire. Fisher could just plaster his ass at the end of the bench. Wait...am I criticizing the infallible Phil Jackson? No...you guys would be if you actually believe that he's viewed as a net negative by those guys.

Johnny Hoops · Post #108 » by **Johnny Hoops** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:48 pm

Another issue with Bargs --- I don't think he can be a role player.

Not sure if it's ego or what but his best stretches in this league have been where he's a featured guy --- but when he has to take a back seat to other players and gets less touches I think he loses complete interest in doing the other things on the floor.

Personally - I think this guy is our 2nd most talented player and he was our 2nd most talented player when JR/Shump/STAT were still on the roster. Without Melo he is clearly the most talented player on this god awful roster.

Post #109 » by **moocow007** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:52 pm

Johnny Hoops wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Sark wrote:Post defense?

Bargnani is a very good post defender. He's just a terrible everything else defender.

One year for the minimum? I can live with that. We will need cheap talent and Bargs will be playing for a contract commensurate with his dependability.

Anything beyond one year? Not interested.

In all honesty Bargs is one of the best post defenders I've seen in this damn league. The guy holds his own in the damn post, he uses his size length very well, keeps his hands up and never leaves his feet. Pretty simple but so many guys are bad at defending the post.

Bargs primary issues are injuries and his seemingly apparent inability to blend in with his teammates. He just seems aloof - as if he could give a crap about any of his teammates. Even in his interviews with Tina -- he just seems very cold / distant.

His biggest issue as a Knick is injury.

We have no idea how he blends or doesn't blend with his teammates to be quite honest. Just because a guy doesn't jump around looking like a wing nut or hoot and holler or carry on like a 12 year old every time his teammate makes a dunk doesn't mean his teammates hate him or doesn't get along with him (JR Smith was the exact opposite personality wise from Bargnani and I'm sure most of us aren't saying that all his teammates loved JR Smith right?).

For his career? Again, injury is his biggest problem. His inability to live up to his draft status is the other biggest problem.

Injury, unless we are assuming he is faking it, isn't something that is in his control.

His inability to live up to his draft status? That is in part or whole his problem, absolutely. However, that doesn't mean he's absolute crap. It means he didn't live up to his draft status. 50 shades of grey in between great and absolute crap. That's where Bargnani sits, somewhere in between. Along with a lot, lot, lot, lot of other players in the NBA. I'd say 99.44% of the players in the NBA are somewhere in between great and awful.

And no, this isn't defending Bargnani. This is looking at in a sterile environment where emotions haven't clouded anything and doesn't come into play.

Rasho Brezec · Post #110 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:56 pm

I hate you all.

HarthorneWingo · Post #111 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 4:56 pm

god shammgod wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:31
35
42
12

what's that ?

The number of games played in each of the last 4 years.

give this man a prize

I'm ok with bring him back for one year, unless he get hurt again in between now and the rest of the season. I wish we could negotiate an incentive-laden contract like they do in baseball.

Post #112 » by **moocow007** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:01 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:I hate you all.

But you still can't live without us. We know it. Deep down...we know you love sharing the misery.

Post #113 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:03 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:I hate you all.

Post #114 » by **moocow007** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:04 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:I hate you all.

TheBigBoss · Post #115 » by **TheBigBoss** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:05 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:i actually just don't think he helps. sure, right now he can score some when he's the center of the offense and the opposition is mediocre to terrible. can he be a useful piece on a team that leads to wins ? i'm not too sure about that.

if it wasn't for bargs fouling out, we were winning that game Saturday night because of him.

Look at some of the minimum salaried bigs in the league

Nazr Mohammed
Glen Davis
Drew Gooden
Greg Stiemsma
Ryan Hollins
Ekpe Udoh

I mean we are going to be spending all our money filling out our starting lineup I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Bargs assuming he doesn't eat up any of our cap space (minimum offer).

The trade makes us hate him. I get that, it was a god awful deal especially seeing how Toronto probably would have just cut him. But at the minimum he is a lot better than the other minimum bigs in the league.

Exactly. Let's all remember that we haven't exactly put the pieces in place for him to be successful. Last year he played well when he was healthy, particularly when we had KMart healthy and doing all of the dirty work (i.e. interior defense/rebounding), but outside of that our only other defensive big man was Chandler, who he didn't fit with, and Aldrich who Woody refused to play. So he had to play alot of minutes next to either Amare or Melo, leaving no defensive anchor to cover for guards like Beno, Felton, and JR who were trash on defense. All I'm saying is let's just see what happens when we have some defensive guys around him and Melo, put Beverly and Danny Green at those guard spots to shore up the perimeter defense. Then let's put defensive bigs like Karl Towns, Amundson, and Cole Aldrich at the other big man spot next to him. Then let's see how the team looks when all Barg is asked to do is score from 12 feet in and play defense against the opposing teams best post big.

Post #116 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:06 pm

This is unbelievable. I think I need a reorientation tour.

god shammgod · Post #117 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:06 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:
The number of games played in each of the last 4 years.

give this man a prize

I'm ok with bring him back for one year, unless he get hurt again in between now and the rest of the season. I wish we could negotiate an incentive-laden contract like they do in baseball.

you added all that text after i and1ed you. now it looks like i agree with you. damn you wingo. damn youuuuuuuuu!

Post #118 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:07 pm

god shammgod wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
give this man a prize

I'm ok with bring him back for one year, unless he get hurt again in between now and the rest of the season. I wish we could negotiate an incentive-laden contract like they do in baseball.

you added all that text after i and1ed you. now it looks like i agree with you. damn you wingo. damn youuuuuuuuu!

Take that **** back. It lets you.

god shammgod · Post #119 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:09 pm

Capn'O wrote:This is unbelievable. I think I need a reorientation tour.

no more tours. you're all on your own. i hope you all get lost in the woods and eaten by a bear.

god shammgod · Post #120 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:09 pm

Capn'O wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:

I'm ok with bring him back for one year, unless he get hurt again in between now and the rest of the season. I wish we could negotiate an incentive-laden contract like they do in baseball.

you added all that text after i and1ed you. now it looks like i agree with you. damn you wingo. damn youuuuuuuuu!

Take that **** back. It lets you.

thank you. no and1s for you wingo.