Early predictions/wagers: what seed are the Knicks in 2017?

[nykfan42]

I think we'll be in the 4-6 range and of course a lot of that will depend on the health of our guys that are most vulnerable to injuries. I still think Noah and Rose will be fine. The injuries they sustained last year were not the ones that should worry us. Noah had a shoulder injury, not his knee or foot. Rose had that eye injury and I'm pretty sure had no issues with his knees.

It's hard to make an actual prediction though without seeing them play together yet but Noah and Rose have chemistry already. I'm sure they'll mesh fine with KP and Melo. Lee is a good teammate and I think he'll blend in well too. We actually have a legit starting 5. If all goes well we should at least win 47-50 games. Teams like the Hawks got worse, not that they were ever good anyway. The Hornets are not better than us, the Bulls are solid but I think we're better. The Cavs, Celtics and CRaptors are the only teams I think are better. After that I think the East is wide open. I think we can give the Celtics and CRaptors a run for their money tho still but I don't wanna get too far ahead of myself.

I'm positive we make the playoffs. My final prediction is 48-34 and a 5 seed. Playing it conservative.

[melo mvp 15]

Cleveland is still the clear #1. Chicago really changed their roster by turning Pau/ Noah/ Rose into Wade/ Rondo/ Lopez. Overall it could be seen as a talent downgrade, but considering Noah barely played for them last year and Pau took minutes from Gibson/Mirotic- I'd call it an upgrade. Indiana upgraded their roster by adding Jefferson, I think he'll be an awesome and unique sixth man. Although losing Mahimi will hurt more than most think. Detroit is young and should improve, plus they added some decent bench players and another year of playing together will probably result in more wins.
Charlotte kept Batum, which is huge- but losing Lee, Lin, and Jefferson could knock them out of the playoff race. Boston REALLY improved by adding a legit all star to a team full of great role players. Toronto lost Biyombo, but they'll still be good. Washington slightly improved with Mahimi, but health will be their key. The Heat really got worse, but with Bosh healthy they could maybe fight for the 8th seed.
The Hawks are weird to predict but turning Teague and Horford into Howard and a pick (plus keeping Bazemore) probably makes them slightly worse next year. Orlando improved and has an insane defensive frontcourt now. Milwaukee didn't really improve, but they could hope that things just click after a disappointing season. Philly and Brooklyn improved, but they're not playoff threats.
And I think we really improved, but our moves are risky. This team is built with pieces that fit, but I'm still a little worried about depth and health. I think we can put out a great 9 man rotation and with some good coaching, I'd bet we make the playoffs.

My east standing predictions: (in order)
Cleveland
Boston
Chicago
NY
Toronto
Detroit
Indiana
Atlanta

Fight for the eight seed but end up short: Orlando and Charlotte

[3toheadmelo]

Cleveland is still the clear #1. Chicago really changed their roster by turning Pau/ Noah/ Rose into Wade/ Rondo/ Lopez. Overall it could be seen as a talent downgrade, but considering Noah barely played for them last year and Pau took minutes from Gibson/Mirotic- I'd call it an upgrade. Indiana upgraded their roster by adding Jefferson, I think he'll be an awesome and unique sixth man. Although losing Mahimi will hurt more than most think. Detroit is young and should improve, plus they added some decent bench players and another year of playing together will probably result in more wins.
Charlotte kept Batum, which is huge- but losing Lee, Lin, and Jefferson could knock them out of the playoff race. Boston REALLY improved by adding a legit all star to a team full of great role players. Toronto lost Biyombo, but they'll still be good. Washington slightly improved with Mahimi, but health will be their key. The Heat really got worse, but with Bosh healthy they could maybe fight for the 8th seed.
The Hawks are weird to predict but turning Teague and Horford into Howard and a pick (plus keeping Bazemore) probably makes them slightly worse next year. Orlando improved and has an insane defensive frontcourt now. Milwaukee didn't really improve, but they could hope that things just click after a disappointing season. Philly and Brooklyn improved, but they're not playoff threats.
And I think we really improved, but our moves are risky. This team is built with pieces that fit, but I'm still a little worried about depth and health. I think we can put out a great 9 man rotation and with some good coaching, I'd bet we make the playoffs.

My east standing predictions: (in order)
Cleveland
Boston
Chicago
NY
Toronto
Detroit
Indiana
Atlanta

Fight for the eight seed but end up short: Orlando and Charlotte

No way Chicago is ahead of us, Detroit, Toronto

[sushibear]

Cleveland is still the clear #1. Chicago really changed their roster by turning Pau/ Noah/ Rose into Wade/ Rondo/ Lopez. Overall it could be seen as a talent downgrade, but considering Noah barely played for them last year and Pau took minutes from Gibson/Mirotic- I'd call it an upgrade. Indiana upgraded their roster by adding Jefferson, I think he'll be an awesome and unique sixth man. Although losing Mahimi will hurt more than most think. Detroit is young and should improve, plus they added some decent bench players and another year of playing together will probably result in more wins.
Charlotte kept Batum, which is huge- but losing Lee, Lin, and Jefferson could knock them out of the playoff race. Boston REALLY improved by adding a legit all star to a team full of great role players. Toronto lost Biyombo, but they'll still be good. Washington slightly improved with Mahimi, but health will be their key. The Heat really got worse, but with Bosh healthy they could maybe fight for the 8th seed.
The Hawks are weird to predict but turning Teague and Horford into Howard and a pick (plus keeping Bazemore) probably makes them slightly worse next year. Orlando improved and has an insane defensive frontcourt now. Milwaukee didn't really improve, but they could hope that things just click after a disappointing season. Philly and Brooklyn improved, but they're not playoff threats.
And I think we really improved, but our moves are risky. This team is built with pieces that fit, but I'm still a little worried about depth and health. I think we can put out a great 9 man rotation and with some good coaching, I'd bet we make the playoffs.

My east standing predictions: (in order)
Cleveland
Boston
Chicago
NY
Toronto
Detroit
Indiana
Atlanta

Fight for the eight seed but end up short: Orlando and Charlotte

No way Chicago is ahead of us, Detroit, Toronto

LOL fam you over hyping the bulls. Rondo is not the same after his celtics days and is very very hard to coach and play with. Wade is 35. with that said though the east is still wide open. Its the cavs at 1 seed and after that from 2 and 8 position its still ??????????.

[mademan]

My take; I hate Rose's game and think he's been awful the last 2 years. I try to be optimistic and hope he does well, but more likely he plays poorly and is in and out of the lineup. Ditto to Noah and the bench is awful. I am very hopeful, though, that Porzingis will take the next step and Melo will have a great year. I love the Lee addition too.

6/7 seed is where i think the Knicks land. Behind CLE/TOR/BOS/IND/DET

[BKlutch]

My take; I hate Rose's game and think he's been awful the last 2 years. I try to be optimistic and hope he does well, but more likely he plays poorly and is in and out of the lineup. Ditto to Noah and the bench is awful. I am very hopeful, though, that Porzingis will take the next step and Melo will have a great year. I love the Lee addition too.

6/7 seed is where i think the Knicks land. Behind CLE/TOR/BOS/IND/DET

Why on earth do you think Phil & Co. didn't see this and jumped at the chance to trade for / sign these guys? What do you know they didn't? Why was Melo reportedly so eager to go to Chicago to play before he resigned with us?

[mademan]

My take; I hate Rose's game and think he's been awful the last 2 years. I try to be optimistic and hope he does well, but more likely he plays poorly and is in and out of the lineup. Ditto to Noah and the bench is awful. I am very hopeful, though, that Porzingis will take the next step and Melo will have a great year. I love the Lee addition too.

6/7 seed is where i think the Knicks land. Behind CLE/TOR/BOS/IND/DET

Why on earth do you think Phil & Co. didn't see this and jumped at the chance to trade for / sign these guys? What do you know they didn't? Why was Melo reportedly so eager to go to Chicago to play before he resigned with us?

Other side of the coin...why did Chicago let these guys go so easily without fighting to keep them (in Noah's case) or trading them (Rose)? What do you know that they dont?

[BKlutch]

My take; I hate Rose's game and think he's been awful the last 2 years. I try to be optimistic and hope he does well, but more likely he plays poorly and is in and out of the lineup. Ditto to Noah and the bench is awful. I am very hopeful, though, that Porzingis will take the next step and Melo will have a great year. I love the Lee addition too.

6/7 seed is where i think the Knicks land. Behind CLE/TOR/BOS/IND/DET

Why on earth do you think Phil & Co. didn't see this and jumped at the chance to trade for / sign these guys? What do you know they didn't? Why was Melo reportedly so eager to go to Chicago to play before he resigned with us?

Other side of the coin...why did Chicago let these guys go so easily without fighting to keep them (in Noah's case) or trading them (Rose)? What do you know that they dont?

Rose was not happy there. Noah wasn't happy there. Things changed with the coach, and Butler was happy. I think if Rose didn't get a fractured orbital bone he'd have done a lot better the first half. Maybe we're lucky he had all those injuries there so we could get him. But obviously, we'll see when he plays.

Still you didn't answer my question, and I asked first. Nicely, too.

[mademan]

Why on earth do you think Phil & Co. didn't see this and jumped at the chance to trade for / sign these guys? What do you know they didn't? Why was Melo reportedly so eager to go to Chicago to play before he resigned with us?

Other side of the coin...why did Chicago let these guys go so easily without fighting to keep them (in Noah's case) or trading them (Rose)? What do you know that they dont?

Rose was not happy there. Noah wasn't happy there. Things changed with the coach, and Butler was happy. I think if Rose didn't get a fractured orbital bone he'd have done a lot better the first half. Maybe we're lucky he had all those injuries there so we could get him. But obviously, we'll see when he plays.

Still you didn't answer my question, and I asked first. Nicely, too.

Many teams trade/sign guys that have been awful in the hope that they retain former glory. Happens all the time. The vast majority of the time, late 27/28 year old guys who have had multiple surgeries and are coming off of multiple terrible seasons dont suddenly turn it around. Ditto for >30 YO guys like Noah.

Like i said, id love to be proven wrong. But go ask Chicago fans what it was like hoping for Rose/Noah to get back to what they used to be.

[BklyntoTNeck]

Most on the GB seem to feel the Knicks will miss the playoffs or be an 8th seed at best...

The GB is a pool of fecal matter. IF and IF the Knicks can stay halfway healthy they'll push for 8th. If they can stay healthy for the most part deep into the season, they'll be better than that....4-5th seed. If they all crap out, at least we have our pick. You can say it over and over again, and its true....health would be the only thing from this team, with chemistry, making serious noise in the EC.

[makeitstop]

My take; I hate Rose's game and think he's been awful the last 2 years. I try to be optimistic and hope he does well, but more likely he plays poorly and is in and out of the lineup. Ditto to Noah and the bench is awful. I am very hopeful, though, that Porzingis will take the next step and Melo will have a great year. I love the Lee addition too.

6/7 seed is where i think the Knicks land. Behind CLE/TOR/BOS/IND/DET

Why on earth do you think Phil & Co. didn't see this and jumped at the chance to trade for / sign these guys? What do you know they didn't? Why was Melo reportedly so eager to go to Chicago to play before he resigned with us?

Other side of the coin...why did Chicago let these guys go so easily without fighting to keep them (in Noah's case) or trading them (Rose)? What do you know that they dont?

In Noah's case, he had been telling anyone who would listen that he didn't trust Chicago's front office and that he was leaving - he was apparently saying this at the end of the season.

If someone says they don't want to come back, why even bother trying to persuade them to stay?

[nyczlegacy]

6-8 if decently healthy

4-5 if porzingis turns into a stud

we're gonna miss playoffs if any of noah/melo/rose get injured

[Hemispheres]

5th seed and we beat Indiana in the first round.

[BKlutch]

5th seed and we beat Indiana in the first round.

I'll see your 5th seed and raise you 1. As the 4th seed, we win the 1st round.

[Bill Pidto]

5th seed and we beat Indiana in the first round.

I'll see your 5th seed and raise you 1. As the 4th seed, we win the 1st round.

I'll call.

[BKlutch]

5th seed and we beat Indiana in the first round.

I'll see your 5th seed and raise you 1. As the 4th seed, we win the 1st round.

I'll call.

Too bad we won't show our hands until the fall. It's going to be hard to wait that long.

[Bill Pidto]

My take; I hate Rose's game and think he's been awful the last 2 years. I try to be optimistic and hope he does well, but more likely he plays poorly and is in and out of the lineup. Ditto to Noah and the bench is awful. I am very hopeful, though, that Porzingis will take the next step and Melo will have a great year. I love the Lee addition too.

6/7 seed is where i think the Knicks land. Behind CLE/TOR/BOS/IND/DET

Why on earth do you think Phil & Co. didn't see this and jumped at the chance to trade for / sign these guys? What do you know they didn't? Why was Melo reportedly so eager to go to Chicago to play before he resigned with us?

Other side of the coin...why did Chicago let these guys go so easily without fighting to keep them (in Noah's case) or trading them (Rose)? What do you know that they dont?

Gar Forman stated in his presser after the trade that he and the organization believe Rose is going to have a great year. This was part of their reason for trading him with his contract expiring and Derrick growing tired of the FO. And Noah wanted out, plain and simple.

To be fair, I'm sure the Bulls were ready to move on from him too. They, like the Knicks, were obviously determined to shake up their roster this summer, and the injuries were definitely a factor. But neither Rose or Noah are hurt right now. As far as I'm concerned, the Knicks are on an even playing field with the rest of the league who also has injuries to worry about.

PS- Neither Rondo or Wade are exactly a picture of health. And as many people have pointed out, Robin Lopez has battled some injuries too before playing 82 games last year.

[BKlutch]

Why on earth do you think Phil & Co. didn't see this and jumped at the chance to trade for / sign these guys? What do you know they didn't? Why was Melo reportedly so eager to go to Chicago to play before he resigned with us?

Other side of the coin...why did Chicago let these guys go so easily without fighting to keep them (in Noah's case) or trading them (Rose)? What do you know that they dont?

Gar Forman stated in his presser after the trade that he and the organization believe Rose is going to have a great year. This was part of their reason for trading him with his contract expiring and Derrick growing tired of the FO. And Noah wanted out, plain and simple.

To be fair, I'm sure the Bulls were ready to move on from him too. They, like the Knicks, were obviously determined to shake up their roster this summer, and the injuries were definitely a factor. But neither Rose or Noah are hurt right now. As far as I'm concerned, the Knicks are on an even playing field with the rest of the league who also has injuries to worry about.

PS- Neither Rondo or Wade are exactly a picture of health. And as many people have pointed out, Robin Lopez has battled some injuries too before playing 82 games last year.

This is all true. There was a lot of talk before last year that Robin wasn't able to play a full season, but he played in every game. I think that Rose is unlikely to reinsure his eye the same way. Noah's shoulder doesn't have to happen again. Knees can be tricky, but I remember Bernard King coming back and we didn't keep him. (our loss) So anybody can blow out a knee, break a bone, or injure their shoulder. Without Thibs as our coach, it's a little less likely to happen.

[CoolKids]

1.Cavs
2.Pacers
3.Celtics
4. Raptors
5. Knicks
6. Hornets
7. Bucks
8. Pistons

This is the best prediction I've seen. Still think the Hawks/Bulls in the 7-9 range though.

Pacers should be better, but #2 seed is a bit high... Raptors-Celtics are appropriately about even (with us as well). Bucks, I like their draft, but that team has some serious bad vibes. Pistons got better no doubt. Hornets took steps back again, so I think they fall out of the playoffs.

IMO:
1) Cavaliers - duh
2) Celtics - got a big time FA, still have a great coach.
3) Raptors - consistency is a good thing.
4) Hawks - good coach, Howard motivated with good spacing around him.
5) Knicks - we have a lot of new pieces, but with Rose-Melo-KP we have a lot of "talent"
6) Pistons - never count out Stan when he has a center (or anyone on the Riley tree)
7) Wizards - Mahinmi is a good center, good depth at other positions. They need a SF to develop, but Wall-Beal can splash on the East.
8) Magic - VERY solid talent. Vuc-Biyombo-Serge-Green-Gordon-Hezonja-Fournier-Augustine-Peyton Coach: Vogel.
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9) Pacers - good talent in PG-Monte. Young and Jefferson are decent players. Teague is playing for money. Just not confident in them.
10) Da Bulls - Wade and Butler will look great together. Rondo is a questionable fit. I could Dragic for Rondo occuring, but for now since the Bulls are a huge gamble everywhere except SF and C, I can't rate them higher.
11) Bucks - Thon, Greek and Parker. Should do SOMETHING interesting
12) Nets - Spent a lotta money, have every reason to try to win. They have that no-tank in them
13) Hornets - everyone else got better, they barely covered their losses.
14) Sixers - They added some things, gotta tinker with the team, but they will no longer look like an active tank.
15) Heat. I think Riley will trade Dragic somewhere before the summer is over. Bosh will sit home and collect checks, Riley will develop some young guys like he did after the Mourning era. Wade will probably do as Mourning and come back after 2 years and play a back up role.

pacers should be better but they go from 7 seed to out of the playoffs? you're buggin.

[Mecca]

This is the best prediction I've seen. Still think the Hawks/Bulls in the 7-9 range though.

Pacers should be better, but #2 seed is a bit high... Raptors-Celtics are appropriately about even (with us as well). Bucks, I like their draft, but that team has some serious bad vibes. Pistons got better no doubt. Hornets took steps back again, so I think they fall out of the playoffs.

IMO:
1) Cavaliers - duh
2) Celtics - got a big time FA, still have a great coach.
3) Raptors - consistency is a good thing.
4) Hawks - good coach, Howard motivated with good spacing around him.
5) Knicks - we have a lot of new pieces, but with Rose-Melo-KP we have a lot of "talent"
6) Pistons - never count out Stan when he has a center (or anyone on the Riley tree)
7) Wizards - Mahinmi is a good center, good depth at other positions. They need a SF to develop, but Wall-Beal can splash on the East.
8) Magic - VERY solid talent. Vuc-Biyombo-Serge-Green-Gordon-Hezonja-Fournier-Augustine-Peyton Coach: Vogel.
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9) Pacers - good talent in PG-Monte. Young and Jefferson are decent players. Teague is playing for money. Just not confident in them.
10) Da Bulls - Wade and Butler will look great together. Rondo is a questionable fit. I could Dragic for Rondo occuring, but for now since the Bulls are a huge gamble everywhere except SF and C, I can't rate them higher.
11) Bucks - Thon, Greek and Parker. Should do SOMETHING interesting
12) Nets - Spent a lotta money, have every reason to try to win. They have that no-tank in them
13) Hornets - everyone else got better, they barely covered their losses.
14) Sixers - They added some things, gotta tinker with the team, but they will no longer look like an active tank.
15) Heat. I think Riley will trade Dragic somewhere before the summer is over. Bosh will sit home and collect checks, Riley will develop some young guys like he did after the Mourning era. Wade will probably do as Mourning and come back after 2 years and play a back up role.

pacers should be better but they go from 7 seed to out of the playoffs? you're buggin.

Hornets won 48 games last year and MKG is back. That Kemba/Batum/MKG perimeter defense is going to be lethal. No way they finish below the Nets.