Knicks-Jazz PG Thread

[Kinglee]

Then you should be happy, because he is driving and getting where he wants, with some dunks, at will.

When he gets stronger he'll be able to neutralize a lot of what Gobert did last night, and other than excellent garbage points and turnstile picks, Gobert doesn't have any of that offensive talent.

Dray Green is not politically correct and said KP will be a great player in this league for a long time to come.

Your bias is clear and boring.

If KP was driving and gets where he want at will, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. That is completely false which is why I bring up his shot selection a lot.

I agree Gobbert has no offensive game, I spoke on that earlier when someone mentioned how much Rudy improved from year 2 to now. Only difference is really the opportunity. I'm a fan of Gobbert because he's a defensive monster and he finishes in the paint. The same way players can be dominant on offense, he's dominant on defense.

Dray Green said he can be a great player and Pierce called him Bargs. What exactly is your point. I don't have to be a fan of any particular player, and just because a NBA player praised someone doesn't exactly mean it's true. These Organizations pay scouts a lot of money to scout players and still draft busts.

If I'm wrong on a player, the play will show me I'm wrong. As of now, it isn't. So if my bias is that KP is limited and I'm watching with my eyes that he's limited, then someone telling me otherwise is irrelevant.

He drove and dunked 2 times. He did it a third time and the ball popped out. He also drove into the paint a handful of other times and got scores.

If a guy can do that a couple times during his 2nd season, then it means he can do it. He will get better at it. It wasn't some one-off lol.

That's how you scout guys. Scouting is defined as looking at a player and seeing what he might be able to do in the future based on what he shows in games Otherwise they'd call it "reporting" ... but it's not. It's called "scouting" for a reason.

If Gobert drove from the arc and dunked on KP once, just once, you'd never shut up about it.

You're biased. Just accept that you're nowhere neutral on KP's future ... or even his present.

But KnicksGod I already stated how I feel about KP. I don't think he'll be a superstar in this league. He can be a good player, he's a good player now, but I don't see star in him. Not today nor his future, I'm clearly not high on him, I stated this 1000 times. Yes, I want him to be a superstar. I want every player on this team to be a superstar, but I just don't see it in him. I get nowhere rooting for my favorite team to lose. I get a "oh you were right" on a message board, that's about it. I'm not seeking that. I wanna goto a championship Knicks parade, I can't do that if we're losing. I want to goto another playoff game of the Knicks, I can't do that if we're losing. What exactly is the point of me wanting KP to fail? Like I said, I want him to be great, I don't see it in him. Because some people are high on him and others aren't doesn't mean we are out rooting for the guy to fail. Its reality. It's few players in the league that everyone can sit there and say "this guy is going to be great", KP doesn't fit that for me. No big deal, why are y'all treating it as such I don't understand.

[god shammgod]

2nd game i missed in a row. it feels good. if i keep this up i'm gonna go apologize to family and friends for being obsessed with the knicks like they do in aa.

You'll be back Saturday

i do probably need them to stay on the west coast forever to break the cycle of addiction. damn you.

[thebuzzardman]

If KP was driving and gets where he want at will, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. That is completely false which is why I bring up his shot selection a lot.

I agree Gobbert has no offensive game, I spoke on that earlier when someone mentioned how much Rudy improved from year 2 to now. Only difference is really the opportunity. I'm a fan of Gobbert because he's a defensive monster and he finishes in the paint. The same way players can be dominant on offense, he's dominant on defense.

Dray Green said he can be a great player and Pierce called him Bargs. What exactly is your point. I don't have to be a fan of any particular player, and just because a NBA player praised someone doesn't exactly mean it's true. These Organizations pay scouts a lot of money to scout players and still draft busts.

If I'm wrong on a player, the play will show me I'm wrong. As of now, it isn't. So if my bias is that KP is limited and I'm watching with my eyes that he's limited, then someone telling me otherwise is irrelevant.

He drove and dunked 2 times. He did it a third time and the ball popped out. He also drove into the paint a handful of other times and got scores.

If a guy can do that a couple times during his 2nd season, then it means he can do it. He will get better at it. It wasn't some one-off lol.

That's how you scout guys. Scouting is defined as looking at a player and seeing what he might be able to do in the future based on what he shows in games Otherwise they'd call it "reporting" ... but it's not. It's called "scouting" for a reason.

If Gobert drove from the arc and dunked on KP once, just once, you'd never shut up about it.

You're biased. Just accept that you're nowhere neutral on KP's future ... or even his present.

But KnicksGod I already stated how I feel about KP. I don't think he'll be a superstar in this league. He can be a good player, he's a good player now, but I don't see star in him. Not today nor his future, I'm clearly not high on him, I stated this 1000 times. Yes, I want him to be a superstar. I want every player on this team to be a superstar, but I just don't see it in him. I get nowhere rooting for my favorite team to lose. I get a "oh you were right" on a message board, that's about it. I'm not seeking that. I wanna goto a championship Knicks parade, I can't do that if we're losing. I want to goto another playoff game of the Knicks, I can't do that if we're losing. What exactly is the point of me wanting KP to fail? Like I said, I want him to be great, I don't see it in him. Because some people are high on him and others aren't doesn't mean we are out rooting for the guy to fail. Its reality. It's few players in the league that everyone can sit there and say "this guy is going to be great", KP doesn't fit that for me. No big deal, why are y'all treating it as such I don't understand.

I'll assume you are old enough to remember Ewing playing.

How well did he drive and create his own shot in years 1,2, and 3?

I don't recall him having his one dribble/create shot down until year 3 or maybe 4, the drive into and across the lane thing he learned from Bill Cartwright.

KP is a big who can shoot. He's C\PF (maybe) not a PF\SF or SF\PF who is going to have these shot creating skills. Before you compare him to AD, Embiid or Towns, those guys are pretty freaky players historically and there is a reason they all were drafted #1 (ok, #3 for Embiid)

[Capn'O]

2nd game i missed in a row. it feels good. if i keep this up i'm gonna go apologize to family and friends for being obsessed with the knicks like they do in aa.

You'll be back Saturday

i do probably need them to stay on the west coast forever to break the cycle of addiction. damn you.

I've got the reverse going on. For me - I can usually get home, see the game is too far out of hand, and go do something else. Last night the game started when I was already settled in and was one of the first times I've watched more than a few minutes in weeks. Sending 'em back soon.

[Reign23]

Damn, tonight is the reason I wanted Utah to trade into the lottery two years ago and draft KP. Gimme KP and Gobert as the 4 and 5 and you can have whoever. It'll be fun to see how these two match up once KP gets his 3rd and 4th year bumps in play because he has all the tools and he seems to have a good motor. The motor is I think what separates Gobert from some of the other players that play like him. Gobert goes hard all game every game. I think that's what's going to make KP great.

Thanks man.

Some people here think Melo is still a better player and advocate to trade KP or reduce his role in the offense in favor of Melo. It's good to see opposing fans providing a fresh take.

I still think melo is the better player (obv not the last games because he has checked out...), but obv I don't want to trade KP and I don't even want him to take a lesser role on O. I think melo will be on the roster next season and think it would be ideal if their minutes/FGA would be like this:

Melo 30 minutes and 17 FGA (this season 34.5 minutes and 19 FGA)
KP 34 minutes and 17 FGA (this season 32.7 minutes and 15 FGA)


would be good to see

[K_ick_God]

He drove and dunked 2 times. He did it a third time and the ball popped out. He also drove into the paint a handful of other times and got scores.

If a guy can do that a couple times during his 2nd season, then it means he can do it. He will get better at it. It wasn't some one-off lol.

That's how you scout guys. Scouting is defined as looking at a player and seeing what he might be able to do in the future based on what he shows in games Otherwise they'd call it "reporting" ... but it's not. It's called "scouting" for a reason.

If Gobert drove from the arc and dunked on KP once, just once, you'd never shut up about it.

You're biased. Just accept that you're nowhere neutral on KP's future ... or even his present.

But KnicksGod I already stated how I feel about KP. I don't think he'll be a superstar in this league. He can be a good player, he's a good player now, but I don't see star in him. Not today nor his future, I'm clearly not high on him, I stated this 1000 times. Yes, I want him to be a superstar. I want every player on this team to be a superstar, but I just don't see it in him. I get nowhere rooting for my favorite team to lose. I get a "oh you were right" on a message board, that's about it. I'm not seeking that. I wanna goto a championship Knicks parade, I can't do that if we're losing. I want to goto another playoff game of the Knicks, I can't do that if we're losing. What exactly is the point of me wanting KP to fail? Like I said, I want him to be great, I don't see it in him. Because some people are high on him and others aren't doesn't mean we are out rooting for the guy to fail. Its reality. It's few players in the league that everyone can sit there and say "this guy is going to be great", KP doesn't fit that for me. No big deal, why are y'all treating it as such I don't understand.

I'll assume you are old enough to remember Ewing playing.

How well did he drive and create his own shot in years 1,2, and 3?

I don't recall him having his one dribble/create shot down until year 3 or maybe 4, the drive into and across the lane thing he learned from Bill Cartwright.

KP is a big who can shoot. He's C\PF (maybe) not a PF\SF or SF\PF who is going to have these shot creating skills. Before you compare him to AD, Embiid or Towns, those guys are pretty freaky players historically and there is a reason they all were drafted #1 (ok, #3 for Embiid)

Just to play Devil's Advocate:

-Towns is not playing D yet, other than bad D. KP's is not where it will be, but his ceiling is higher. He's also a better 3 point shooter. Towns is overall substantially better but just saying.

-AD has never won and is not a spring chicken.

-Embiid ... I wouldn't trade KP for him. Embiid clearly has major injury concerns.

[Kinglee]

He drove and dunked 2 times. He did it a third time and the ball popped out. He also drove into the paint a handful of other times and got scores.

If a guy can do that a couple times during his 2nd season, then it means he can do it. He will get better at it. It wasn't some one-off lol.

That's how you scout guys. Scouting is defined as looking at a player and seeing what he might be able to do in the future based on what he shows in games Otherwise they'd call it "reporting" ... but it's not. It's called "scouting" for a reason.

If Gobert drove from the arc and dunked on KP once, just once, you'd never shut up about it.

You're biased. Just accept that you're nowhere neutral on KP's future ... or even his present.

But KnicksGod I already stated how I feel about KP. I don't think he'll be a superstar in this league. He can be a good player, he's a good player now, but I don't see star in him. Not today nor his future, I'm clearly not high on him, I stated this 1000 times. Yes, I want him to be a superstar. I want every player on this team to be a superstar, but I just don't see it in him. I get nowhere rooting for my favorite team to lose. I get a "oh you were right" on a message board, that's about it. I'm not seeking that. I wanna goto a championship Knicks parade, I can't do that if we're losing. I want to goto another playoff game of the Knicks, I can't do that if we're losing. What exactly is the point of me wanting KP to fail? Like I said, I want him to be great, I don't see it in him. Because some people are high on him and others aren't doesn't mean we are out rooting for the guy to fail. Its reality. It's few players in the league that everyone can sit there and say "this guy is going to be great", KP doesn't fit that for me. No big deal, why are y'all treating it as such I don't understand.

I'll assume you are old enough to remember Ewing playing.

How well did he drive and create his own shot in years 1,2, and 3?

I don't recall him having his one dribble/create shot down until year 3 or maybe 4, the drive into and across the lane thing he learned from Bill Cartwright.

KP is a big who can shoot. He's C\PF (maybe) not a PF\SF or SF\PF who is going to have these shot creating skills. Before you compare him to AD, Embiid or Towns, those guys are pretty freaky players historically and there is a reason they all were drafted #1 (ok, #3 for Embiid)

Ewing had no problem getting his shot off since his rookie year. You randomly reached for something that wasn't there. You're flat out off on that so I don't even understand why you did what you just did.

And I have no intentions to compare KP to any of those guys, he's not going to be as good as any of those players in my opinion (depending on Embeid is healthy or not). I see a lot of young players who I feel are better or will be better than KP going forward. I've never sugar coated this and stated this numerous times. I've watched KP play, I don't need anyone writing me to convince me the guy is going to be something when I'm watching him play with my own eyes. If he becomes great, he'll be great. If not, he won't. Simple. I'll observe every bit of it as a Knicks fan.

[god shammgod]

You'll be back Saturday

i do probably need them to stay on the west coast forever to break the cycle of addiction. damn you.

I've got the reverse going on. For me - I can usually get home, see the game is too far out of hand, and go do something else. Last night the game started when I was already settled in and was one of the first times I've watched more than a few minutes in weeks. Sending 'em back soon.

some kind of friend you are

[Kinglee]

But KnicksGod I already stated how I feel about KP. I don't think he'll be a superstar in this league. He can be a good player, he's a good player now, but I don't see star in him. Not today nor his future, I'm clearly not high on him, I stated this 1000 times. Yes, I want him to be a superstar. I want every player on this team to be a superstar, but I just don't see it in him. I get nowhere rooting for my favorite team to lose. I get a "oh you were right" on a message board, that's about it. I'm not seeking that. I wanna goto a championship Knicks parade, I can't do that if we're losing. I want to goto another playoff game of the Knicks, I can't do that if we're losing. What exactly is the point of me wanting KP to fail? Like I said, I want him to be great, I don't see it in him. Because some people are high on him and others aren't doesn't mean we are out rooting for the guy to fail. Its reality. It's few players in the league that everyone can sit there and say "this guy is going to be great", KP doesn't fit that for me. No big deal, why are y'all treating it as such I don't understand.

I'll assume you are old enough to remember Ewing playing.

How well did he drive and create his own shot in years 1,2, and 3?

I don't recall him having his one dribble/create shot down until year 3 or maybe 4, the drive into and across the lane thing he learned from Bill Cartwright.

KP is a big who can shoot. He's C\PF (maybe) not a PF\SF or SF\PF who is going to have these shot creating skills. Before you compare him to AD, Embiid or Towns, those guys are pretty freaky players historically and there is a reason they all were drafted #1 (ok, #3 for Embiid)

Just to play Devil's Advocate:

-Towns is not playing D yet, other than bad D. KP's is not where it will be, but his ceiling is higher. He's also a better 3 point shooter. Towns is overall substantially better but just saying.

-AD has never won and is not a spring chicken.

-Embiid ... I wouldn't trade KP for him. Embiid clearly has major injury concerns.

This is the stuff I don't get. Towns is averaging a block a game and KP is averaging 2 a game. Cool. Neither are great defenders, but what makes KP defensive ceiling higher? KP is a slightly better shooter, I agree. Towns is in a whole 'nother class when it comes to offensive game though and he's a rebounding monster. The guy is averaging 25/12/3, this is why it seems like people are hard on KP because people want to sit here and compare him to players he shouldn't be compared to. Carmelo is a good player and when you compare him to Lebron it's ridiculous. KP is a good player, but even mentioning him with Towns and AD it's just ridiculous.

We have young players in this league like Towns, Jokic, Nurkic, AD, Embeid (if he can stay healthy) and I can't see KP being better than any of those guys. Those guys all have the complete package and as all young players have to do, just improve their defense. But they're already established offensive players with a legit offensive game. KP defense isn't good enough to say he's better than any of those guys, but those players offensive games are clearly better than KP and I don't see that changing.

[Yankeeknickfan]

I'll assume you are old enough to remember Ewing playing.

How well did he drive and create his own shot in years 1,2, and 3?

I don't recall him having his one dribble/create shot down until year 3 or maybe 4, the drive into and across the lane thing he learned from Bill Cartwright.

KP is a big who can shoot. He's C\PF (maybe) not a PF\SF or SF\PF who is going to have these shot creating skills. Before you compare him to AD, Embiid or Towns, those guys are pretty freaky players historically and there is a reason they all were drafted #1 (ok, #3 for Embiid)

Just to play Devil's Advocate:

-Towns is not playing D yet, other than bad D. KP's is not where it will be, but his ceiling is higher. He's also a better 3 point shooter. Towns is overall substantially better but just saying.

-AD has never won and is not a spring chicken.

-Embiid ... I wouldn't trade KP for him. Embiid clearly has major injury concerns.

This is the stuff I don't get. Towns is averaging a block a game and KP is averaging 2 a game. Cool. Neither are great defenders, but what makes KP defensive ceiling higher? KP is a slightly better shooter, I agree. Towns is in a whole 'nother class when it comes to offensive game though and he's a rebounding monster. The guy is averaging 25/12/3, this is why it seems like people are hard on KP because people want to sit here and compare him to players he shouldn't be compared to. Carmelo is a good player and when you compare him to Lebron it's ridiculous. KP is a good player, but even mentioning him with Towns and AD it's just ridiculous.

Only Gobert and I think one other player, have a lower opponent FG% in the paint.

[K_ick_God]

I'll assume you are old enough to remember Ewing playing.

How well did he drive and create his own shot in years 1,2, and 3?

I don't recall him having his one dribble/create shot down until year 3 or maybe 4, the drive into and across the lane thing he learned from Bill Cartwright.

KP is a big who can shoot. He's C\PF (maybe) not a PF\SF or SF\PF who is going to have these shot creating skills. Before you compare him to AD, Embiid or Towns, those guys are pretty freaky players historically and there is a reason they all were drafted #1 (ok, #3 for Embiid)

Just to play Devil's Advocate:

-Towns is not playing D yet, other than bad D. KP's is not where it will be, but his ceiling is higher. He's also a better 3 point shooter. Towns is overall substantially better but just saying.

-AD has never won and is not a spring chicken.

-Embiid ... I wouldn't trade KP for him. Embiid clearly has major injury concerns.

This is the stuff I don't get. Towns is averaging a block a game and KP is averaging 2 a game. Cool. Neither are great defenders, but what makes KP defensive ceiling higher? KP is a slightly better shooter, I agree. Towns is in a whole 'nother class when it comes to offensive game though and he's a rebounding monster. The guy is averaging 25/12/3, this is why it seems like people are hard on KP because people want to sit here and compare him to players he shouldn't be compared to. Carmelo is a good player and when you compare him to Lebron it's ridiculous. KP is a good player, but even mentioning him with Towns and AD it's just ridiculous.

Towns' offense is incredibly well developed for such a young kid. KP's is not yet. But it's not a crime against humanity to consider and compare them. That's what I don't get myself lol.

AD, I really see no reason to deify the guy. He's been on losing team after losing team. There's nothing so impressive about that. Just his stats.

[Kinglee]

Just to play Devil's Advocate:

-Towns is not playing D yet, other than bad D. KP's is not where it will be, but his ceiling is higher. He's also a better 3 point shooter. Towns is overall substantially better but just saying.

-AD has never won and is not a spring chicken.

-Embiid ... I wouldn't trade KP for him. Embiid clearly has major injury concerns.

This is the stuff I don't get. Towns is averaging a block a game and KP is averaging 2 a game. Cool. Neither are great defenders, but what makes KP defensive ceiling higher? KP is a slightly better shooter, I agree. Towns is in a whole 'nother class when it comes to offensive game though and he's a rebounding monster. The guy is averaging 25/12/3, this is why it seems like people are hard on KP because people want to sit here and compare him to players he shouldn't be compared to. Carmelo is a good player and when you compare him to Lebron it's ridiculous. KP is a good player, but even mentioning him with Towns and AD it's just ridiculous.

Only Gobert and I think one other player, have a lower opponent FG% in the paint.

KP is an elite rim protector, I've stated that 1000 times. What's your point?

[Kinglee]

Just to play Devil's Advocate:

-Towns is not playing D yet, other than bad D. KP's is not where it will be, but his ceiling is higher. He's also a better 3 point shooter. Towns is overall substantially better but just saying.

-AD has never won and is not a spring chicken.

-Embiid ... I wouldn't trade KP for him. Embiid clearly has major injury concerns.

This is the stuff I don't get. Towns is averaging a block a game and KP is averaging 2 a game. Cool. Neither are great defenders, but what makes KP defensive ceiling higher? KP is a slightly better shooter, I agree. Towns is in a whole 'nother class when it comes to offensive game though and he's a rebounding monster. The guy is averaging 25/12/3, this is why it seems like people are hard on KP because people want to sit here and compare him to players he shouldn't be compared to. Carmelo is a good player and when you compare him to Lebron it's ridiculous. KP is a good player, but even mentioning him with Towns and AD it's just ridiculous.

Towns' offense is incredibly well developed for such a young kid. KP's is not yet. But it's not a crime against humanity to consider and compare them. That's what I don't get myself lol.

AD, I really see no reason to deify the guy. He's been on losing team after losing team. There's nothing so impressive about that. Just his stats.

You're going to hold AD team losing against him like he didn't have a trash roster around him his whole career? I mean even now we have a better team than them and they have a better record than us in the West. Come on But with the eye test, he doesn't scream greatness to you?

[Capn'O]

i do probably need them to stay on the west coast forever to break the cycle of addiction. damn you.

I've got the reverse going on. For me - I can usually get home, see the game is too far out of hand, and go do something else. Last night the game started when I was already settled in and was one of the first times I've watched more than a few minutes in weeks. Sending 'em back soon.

some kind of friend you are

And I hate to be that guy but some of the college games have been better this year than they were a few years ago. The UCLA/Kentucky game tomorrow should be totally fly.

[Greenie]

KP should look at Gobert as an example of building up strength. Gobert isn't huge either, but look how much of a presence he was tonight


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It's a matter of will. Even when Gobert was smaller he was an inside guy. That's always been his game though. He's never been finesse.

[ChaosHamster]

What are the chances Kinglee is indeed Courtney Lee..

How he stares into everyone after they (or most of the time, he himself ), make mistakes. I generally think he hates everybody on the team.

[ChaosHamster]

This is the stuff I don't get. Towns is averaging a block a game and KP is averaging 2 a game. Cool. Neither are great defenders, but what makes KP defensive ceiling higher? KP is a slightly better shooter, I agree. Towns is in a whole 'nother class when it comes to offensive game though and he's a rebounding monster. The guy is averaging 25/12/3, this is why it seems like people are hard on KP because people want to sit here and compare him to players he shouldn't be compared to. Carmelo is a good player and when you compare him to Lebron it's ridiculous. KP is a good player, but even mentioning him with Towns and AD it's just ridiculous.

Only Gobert and I think one other player, have a lower opponent FG% in the paint.

KP is an elite rim protector, I've stated that 1000 times. What's your point?

Well, in the post you talked about KP`s defensive ceiling, you didn't mention that.

[god shammgod]

I've got the reverse going on. For me - I can usually get home, see the game is too far out of hand, and go do something else. Last night the game started when I was already settled in and was one of the first times I've watched more than a few minutes in weeks. Sending 'em back soon.

some kind of friend you are

And I hate to be that guy but some of the college games have been better this year than they were a few years ago. The UCLA/Kentucky game tomorrow should be totally fly.

oh dear lord....you're a enabler!

[K_ick_God]

This is the stuff I don't get. Towns is averaging a block a game and KP is averaging 2 a game. Cool. Neither are great defenders, but what makes KP defensive ceiling higher? KP is a slightly better shooter, I agree. Towns is in a whole 'nother class when it comes to offensive game though and he's a rebounding monster. The guy is averaging 25/12/3, this is why it seems like people are hard on KP because people want to sit here and compare him to players he shouldn't be compared to. Carmelo is a good player and when you compare him to Lebron it's ridiculous. KP is a good player, but even mentioning him with Towns and AD it's just ridiculous.

Only Gobert and I think one other player, have a lower opponent FG% in the paint.

KP is an elite rim protector, I've stated that 1000 times. What's your point?

If you just arrived from another planet and someone handed you a pamphlet and checklist on a 21 year old you could acquire in your new job as GM of the Knicks, and the checklist said:

- 21 years of age
- 7'3"
- Shoots it above average from 3
- Elite rim protector already
- Willing team defender, needs work here
- Shows that he can take it off the dribble, needs work here
- Needs work on his passing and team offensive skills but clearly teachable/willing
- Plays with 2 of the more aging, dribble- and iso-happy scorers in the NBA, who will probably both be gone soon
- Needs to get stronger, needs to get into better shape, but reminder: Only 21

You MIGHT be happy to get that guy. There's literally maybe 1 or 2 or 3 other big men on this planet Earth who are ahead of him at the moment. Don't be ridiculous. Maybe you come from a planet where all these things are common. Here on Earth, they're rare. Like 1 of a small handful rare.

[Capn'O]

Don't kill me, I like KP being featured more and getting more shots and he needs this for development, but I look at ALL players stats in these late, "don't really matter too much" games where some stat padding goes on, with a bit of skepticism. I think KP probably played well, but again there is some late season padding for younger players and I sort of hold judgement if this is/was progress until next year.

I'll take him getting reps and opportunity in real games though.

Yes and no - there are certain things I took away from a game this late in the season. One is that he was looking to challenge Gobert off the dribble and at the rim. There's nothing "late season" about that. Gobert was playing some incredible ball and was taking away the middle for everyone on the Knicks so I think you can be legit excited to see that. The minus side of that is that he took himself out of the game by picking up fouls trying to stop Gobert inside on D. Gobert is one of the few guys in the league that KP won't have a length advantage against so the strength differential really showed. The Knicks were pretty useless when KP was in foul trouble because at least when he was in Rudy would have to step out of the lane.