Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[Capn'O]

He's a project who's not even halfway through his 2nd year

He has some good games where you see flashes, but a lot of really bad games too. Like he's extremely raw or something

He's never gonna be a high scorer. What you hope for is that he gets to 15 or so ppg consistently, which he has shown flashes of like the Charlotte game, that's how he's gonna play going forward.

Whether or not he ends up at PG depends on how tall our primary ball handler ends up being, cause he ain't it.

But all this talk of "Frank isn't an NBA player" is funny to me, cause I don't see any of these posts after he has good games, and y'all act like if he gets his 3 pointer to be consistent he wouldn't be a prototypical 3+D guy at minimum

Just let the kid play. If he develops into something, great. If not, it happens. Philly drafted two huge busts, and they're getting along just fine. But talking about a guy who's supposed to take years to develop as if he's a final product at age 20 is absurd to me, and is why people say you can't rebuild in New York

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Great post and especially the bolded. In the draft threads, I referred to him as the YOLO pick as I decided "why not." We've seen flashes of what his highest upside could be an it seems like a mental hurdle is the biggest impediment.

But it ain't there yet. And it certainly could turn out that it never comes. Sometimes high draft picks miss. It's why you need a few years in the nether regions of the league.

[F N 11]

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like this isn’t stuff that should be worked on at the professional level?

In this specific case I think it’s causing more harm than good. Giving him a bunch of minutes to just force him to chuck freely doesn’t seem consistent with the general consensus of player performance here. Makes it seem like most are actually ok with players being selfish as long as it’s a player they choose.

I really don’t get it. I think there’s something else here that is going unsaid. Some type of personal underline reason. I’m genuinely curious as to what it is about this dude that has so many contradicting themselves. I feel if it was just laid out there things would be much easier.


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Its not what we are accustomed to. Theres plenty of guys who come into the nba with no game but freak attributes.

I totally agree with that. However, what exactly are the freak attributes here? It’s not athleticism. He has trouble keeping up. His height and length would be an attribute at his advertised position. But he hasn’t shown the skill or athleticism to play that position. If he cannot play that position that attribute is canceled.


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I would say the combination of height and rare wingspan at the position. I think hes more athletic than he has shown. Him not showing his vert for one goes with his lack of aggressiveness. I sometime say the same for knox then he almost posters someone and im like but he gives off this lack of explosion. These kids just have to grow into their bodies believe it or not.

[cuyankees]

"Alright Franky, go out there and shoot when you get the ball"
Clank, Brick, Bang
"Coach, why are you taking me out?"
"You're missing shots so time to try someone new"
"But, you told me to shoot"

It's really hard for any human to have confidence when actions speak louder than words. Fiz is not NBA head coach material, another sign of NYK incompetence when you have Bud, who wanted the job, didn't get it.

And there's a Frank thread for this sidenote

[Juco24]

This may very well wind up being the worst draft pick in knicks history

Frederic Weiss with Ron artest available can NOT be touched

[1999]

"Alright Franky, go out there and shoot when you get the ball"
Clank, Brick, Bang
"Coach, why are you taking me out?"
"You're missing shots so time to try someone new"
"But, you told me to shoot"

It's really hard for any human to have confidence when actions speak louder than words. Fiz is not NBA head coach material, another sign of NYK incompetence when you have Bud, who wanted the job, didn't get it.

And there's a Frank thread for this sidenote

Frank is a grown man. Why should he need to be coddled. He was the 8th pick it’s time he believes in HIMSELF. Nobody is gonna feel sorry for Frank. A guy like Jimmy Butler who was homeless worked himself into what he is now. Most of us, bare minimum are just asking Frank to stay aggressive. Makes or misses. When he attempts just 2 shots in a particular game then yes he deserves to be benched.


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[whocares1]

"Alright Franky, go out there and shoot when you get the ball"
Clank, Brick, Bang
"Coach, why are you taking me out?"
"You're missing shots so time to try someone new"
"But, you told me to shoot"

It's really hard for any human to have confidence when actions speak louder than words. Fiz is not NBA head coach material, another sign of NYK incompetence when you have Bud, who wanted the job, didn't get it.

And there's a Frank thread for this sidenote

It’s like you’ve never played basketball in your life. It’s like you haven’t read anyone’s posts in this and other threads. How you can continually blame someone else for another person’s faults is beyond hysterical and frankly it’s sad at this point.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Another article about rewiring Frank's brain. We're not trying to teach him skills just completely change who he is as a person. He just wants to be a cog in a system and not responsible for making a play. He's a project without the athleticism to use as a foundation.

[Sark]

You should have bolded this part as well, since it's the most important part for us moving forward

The odd thing is that Fizdale has inserted Emmanuel Mudiay as the starting point guard when the team has no vested interest in his future. Mudiay will be a free agent at season’s end; Ntilikina will be under the team’s control for at least two more years. Would he have benefited from remaining a starter at point guard and being allowed to know that he can play through his learning curve?

Is the writer perhaps not thinking about the possibility of muds re-signing with the team? Or does he know something that we dont?

At what price though? Do we really want to invest in him long term?

And before anyone says he will be cheap, keep in mind that Spencer Dinwiddie just signed a 3 year $34 million deal. Mudiay's cap hold is $12 million. I think all the talk of him signing some super cheap deal for under $10 million per year, is never going to happen.

[Dantares]

here's my thing with frank. if you can score 18 points in 11 minutes(should have been 20 points if the ref didn't call a bogus foul that night) then you can definitely score 10 points in 30 minutes. that's all we need from frank. 10 points with good defense and be a guy that moves the ball than we are golden. we got plenty of guys that can score, we just need frank not to be a liability on offense. i really think he has the ability to do that, his jumpshot wasn't broken as hell like shumpert, you can see Frank's form is really good.

he's been an up and down players but atleast his ups or peaks are geting better. if i told you frank was going to score damn near 20 points in 11 minutes at any point in this season a month ago ya'll would have thought that was crazy talk.

[Greenie]

here's my thing with frank. if you can score 18 points in 11 minutes(should have been 20 points if the ref didn't call a bogus foul that night) then you can definitely score 10 points in 30 minutes. that's all we need from frank. 10 points with good defense and be a guy that moves the ball than we are golden. we got plenty of guys that can score, we just need frank not to be a liability on offense. i really think he has the ability to do that, his jumpshot wasn't broken as hell like shumpert, you can see Frank's form is really good.

he's been an up and down players but atleast his ups or peaks are geting better. if i told you frank was going to score damn near 20 points in 11 minutes at any point in this season a month ago ya'll would have thought that was crazy talk.

Not really. Players get hot.
Look at some of Lance’s outbursts.

[fatalogic]

Wasn't there a thread created for all things Frank so every other post isn't spammed with the same circle jerk of Frank talk.

[cuyankees]

"Alright Franky, go out there and shoot when you get the ball"
Clank, Brick, Bang
"Coach, why are you taking me out?"
"You're missing shots so time to try someone new"
"But, you told me to shoot"

It's really hard for any human to have confidence when actions speak louder than words. Fiz is not NBA head coach material, another sign of NYK incompetence when you have Bud, who wanted the job, didn't get it.

And there's a Frank thread for this sidenote

It’s like you’ve never played basketball in your life. It’s like you haven’t read anyone’s posts in this and other threads. How you can continually blame someone else for another person’s faults is beyond hysterical and frankly it’s sad at this point.

Cool man

[HarthorneWingo]

You should have bolded this part as well, since it's the most important part for us moving forward

The odd thing is that Fizdale has inserted Emmanuel Mudiay as the starting point guard when the team has no vested interest in his future. Mudiay will be a free agent at season’s end; Ntilikina will be under the team’s control for at least two more years. Would he have benefited from remaining a starter at point guard and being allowed to know that he can play through his learning curve?

I'm trying to avoid conflict.

[JBreezeNY]

"Alright Franky, go out there and shoot when you get the ball"
Clank, Brick, Bang
"Coach, why are you taking me out?"
"You're missing shots so time to try someone new"
"But, you told me to shoot"

It's really hard for any human to have confidence when actions speak louder than words. Fiz is not NBA head coach material, another sign of NYK incompetence when you have Bud, who wanted the job, didn't get it.

And there's a Frank thread for this sidenote

It’s like you’ve never played basketball in your life. It’s like you haven’t read anyone’s posts in this and other threads. How you can continually blame someone else for another person’s faults is beyond hysterical and frankly it’s sad at this point.

I personally don’t think most on here have played ball past junior high school.

The stuff I’ve read in defense of Frank is laughable.

I can’t imagine my college or even high school coach playing me minutes if I played as inconsistent as Frank. Basketball is confidence, if you have no real life confidence then you’re fu*ked & the issue with Frank is more than basketball.

He’s a nice kid but he doesn’t have that natural swagger. You don’t need it to be a good defensive player but you do need it to be a good offensive player.

I would say he should go to the G League but he might start doubting himself even more. Not sure if he got what it takes if we keeping it a stack. Mental matters more than talent in the NBA.

[Capn'O]

And there's a Frank thread for this sidenote

It'll move there once this story is out of the news cycle...

[thebuzzardman]

If they let Mudiay play through some crap play to build confidence, why not Frank? Seems like a solid idea.

It's not like the Knicks are trying to win games this year. In fact, if they are smart, the opposite should be true. Which they seem to be doing. Or at least emphasizing development over winning.

[Juco24]

Wasn't there a thread created for all things Frank so every other post isn't spammed with the same circle jerk of Frank talk.

EXACTLY!!!! Every thread lately has turned into a Frank bash/defend and even though you have an ALL things Frank thread.... here we are

[Adelheid]

You should have bolded this part as well, since it's the most important part for us moving forward

Is the writer perhaps not thinking about the possibility of muds re-signing with the team? Or does he know something that we dont?

At what price though? Do we really want to invest in him long term?

And before anyone says he will be cheap, keep in mind that Spencer Dinwiddie just signed a 3 year $34 million deal. Mudiay's cap hold is $12 million. I think all the talk of him signing some super cheap deal for under $10 million per year, is never going to happen.

He can be renounced and signed to a team-friendly deal or he can choose to flaunt himself to other teams during FA. The Knicks have helped him bounce back with the provided unconditional playing time when his draft team just lost interest in him and was traded for bags of potato chips. Perry hasnt yet signed a player around the 10m per/y range.

[Jeffrey]

Man, I feel like every draft prospect should just go around the city playing streetball where players just talk **** to you. And see if they have the moxie to do this.

[whocares1]

If they let Mudiay play through some crap play to build confidence, why not Frank? Seems like a solid idea.

It's not like the Knicks are trying to win games this year. In fact, if they are smart, the opposite should be true. Which they seem to be doing. Or at least emphasizing development over winning.

1. Mudiay was older when they did that. Already had a couple years of NBA experience.

2. Mudiay and Frank are two totally different players. One is more naturally confident and aggressive. He is also more fluid than the other player as well.