Dennis Smith, Jr. Thread

[drekwins]

Don't get too attached to Smith Jr. He'll likely get traded if/when we sign Kyrie.

Wouldyou trade him and Dallas' 2 1sts if it meant a second top 5 pick in 2019? What if we landed Zion and could then draft Barrett or Reddish...or I guess at that point Murant?

Just let me dream

What makes you think Barret and Reddish are so good? Their percentages and advanced stats say otherwise. Morant, on the other hand, looks like a beast.

[K_ick_God]

Dannis

[br7knicks]

Don't get too attached to Smith Jr. He'll likely get traded if/when we sign Kyrie.

Wouldyou trade him and Dallas' 2 1sts if it meant a second top 5 pick in 2019? What if we landed Zion and could then draft Barrett or Reddish...or I guess at that point Murant?

Just let me dream

What makes you think Barret and Reddish are so good? Their percentages and advanced stats say otherwise. Morant, on the other hand, looks like a beast.

Isn't morant the guy that plays in the mid major league, whereas the other two play against the vastly superior talent?

I'd take the two guys who play against truer talent, not lesser talent

[drekwins]

Wouldyou trade him and Dallas' 2 1sts if it meant a second top 5 pick in 2019? What if we landed Zion and could then draft Barrett or Reddish...or I guess at that point Murant?

Just let me dream

What makes you think Barret and Reddish are so good? Their percentages and advanced stats say otherwise. Morant, on the other hand, looks like a beast.

Isn't morant the guy that plays in the mid major league, whereas the other two play against the vastly superior talent?

I'd take the two guys who play against truer talent, not lesser talent

Even so, their stats are subpar... Ja Morant played against #7 Auburn and had 25, 7 and 8 with 0 turnovers on 50% shooting. Against Alabama, he had 38, 9 and 5. He has looked like an elite athlete and player against everyone... Steph played at Davidson.

[Nazrmohamed]

What makes you think Barret and Reddish are so good? Their percentages and advanced stats say otherwise. Morant, on the other hand, looks like a beast.

Isn't morant the guy that plays in the mid major league, whereas the other two play against the vastly superior talent?

I'd take the two guys who play against truer talent, not lesser talent

Even so, their stats are subpar... Ja Morant played against #7 Auburn and had 25, 7 and 8 with 0 turnovers on 50% shooting. Against Alabama, he had 38, 9 and 5. He has looked like an elite athlete and player against everyone... Steph played at Davidson.

Well I put him as the lesser option mostly because we're developing like 3 PGs already and dont have such a great reputation there. Morant BETTER be as elite as you say, cause the Knicks aren't gonna make him any better. So maybe you look for other positions to fill in, assuming you're going after Kyrie anyway.

So for example you got Kyrie and Durant and in between there's Reddish and then in between Durant and Idk...Jordan on a vet min deal at C you sandwich in Zion.

[drekwins]

Isn't morant the guy that plays in the mid major league, whereas the other two play against the vastly superior talent?

I'd take the two guys who play against truer talent, not lesser talent

Even so, their stats are subpar... Ja Morant played against #7 Auburn and had 25, 7 and 8 with 0 turnovers on 50% shooting. Against Alabama, he had 38, 9 and 5. He has looked like an elite athlete and player against everyone... Steph played at Davidson.

Well I put him as the lesser option mostly because we're developing like 3 PGs already and dont have such a great reputation there. Morant BETTER be as elite as you say, cause the Knicks aren't gonna make him any better. So maybe you look for other positions to fill in, assuming you're going after Kyrie anyway.

So for example you got Kyrie and Durant and in between there's Reddish and then in between Durant and Idk...Jordan on a vet min deal at C you sandwich in Zion.

I get what you're saying but that's a good way to end up with Darko instead of Melo, Wade or Bosh. Just saying, this is a very weak draft. Take best player and figure it out later.

[Jose7]

DSj has shown everything except being a selfish teammate or players

[br7knicks]

What makes you think Barret and Reddish are so good? Their percentages and advanced stats say otherwise. Morant, on the other hand, looks like a beast.

Isn't morant the guy that plays in the mid major league, whereas the other two play against the vastly superior talent?

I'd take the two guys who play against truer talent, not lesser talent

Even so, their stats are subpar... Ja Morant played against #7 Auburn and had 25, 7 and 8 with 0 turnovers on 50% shooting. Against Alabama, he had 38, 9 and 5. He has looked like an elite athlete and player against everyone... Steph played at Davidson.

I'm not saying I'm against him, but to only use stats for a guy playing against lesser talent shouldn't be your go-to argument.

And Lillard went to a mid major also.

But there are so many more real college players VS mid majors that play. As you, or someone else, even stated, steph is a rare, generational player. There are more mid major players to fail, or never play in the NBA, than real college players.

For every LeBron, there's a wade, Melo, and bosh, or for every steph there's a griffin, Harden (ugh, feel gross acknowledging him), derozan, holiday, Teague

[3toheadmelo]

he’s embraced being a Knick more than KP ever did

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[Worst_to_First]

he’s embraced being a Knick more than KP ever did

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DSJr should represent us in the lottery. This guy brings good vibes.

[robillionaire]

I like DSJ. Can’t wait until he starts shooting better than 54% from the FT line and 26% from 3

[DLTGWH]

I like DSJ. Can’t wait until he starts shooting better than 54% from the FT line and 26% from 3

I share the same sentiment. The low BBIQ and poor Defense I read about I haven’t seen much of if any at all. And even his 3point %aside if even his FT was better he’d be looking really nice.

[NYKAL]

Isn't morant the guy that plays in the mid major league, whereas the other two play against the vastly superior talent?

I'd take the two guys who play against truer talent, not lesser talent

Even so, their stats are subpar... Ja Morant played against #7 Auburn and had 25, 7 and 8 with 0 turnovers on 50% shooting. Against Alabama, he had 38, 9 and 5. He has looked like an elite athlete and player against everyone... Steph played at Davidson.

Well I put him as the lesser option mostly because we're developing like 3 PGs already and dont have such a great reputation there. Morant BETTER be as elite as you say, cause the Knicks aren't gonna make him any better. So maybe you look for other positions to fill in, assuming you're going after Kyrie anyway.

So for example you got Kyrie and Durant and in between there's Reddish and then in between Durant and Idk...Jordan on a vet min deal at C you sandwich in Zion.

The g-league is where we develop that talent and all of our call ups showed marked improvement in the game. Guys brought up, they are still developed but, practice time for call ups is limited, forcing them to pick up quite a bit on the fly.

[DOT]

I think Mitch stole DSJ's free throw shooting

I'm serious, Mitch shot 47% before the trade, now all of a sudden he's a 65% shooter?

Meanwhile, DSJ was a 70% shooting in Dallas, now he only hits 55%?

Mitch out here absorbing powers like Super Buu, no wonder KP didn't want to play with him. Kid probably already stole his shot blocking, would've taken his jumper if he was allowed on court with him

[Nazrmohamed]

Even so, their stats are subpar... Ja Morant played against #7 Auburn and had 25, 7 and 8 with 0 turnovers on 50% shooting. Against Alabama, he had 38, 9 and 5. He has looked like an elite athlete and player against everyone... Steph played at Davidson.

Well I put him as the lesser option mostly because we're developing like 3 PGs already and dont have such a great reputation there. Morant BETTER be as elite as you say, cause the Knicks aren't gonna make him any better. So maybe you look for other positions to fill in, assuming you're going after Kyrie anyway.

So for example you got Kyrie and Durant and in between there's Reddish and then in between Durant and Idk...Jordan on a vet min deal at C you sandwich in Zion.

The g-league is where we develop that talent and all of our call ups showed marked improvement in the game. Guys brought up, they are still developed but, practice time for call ups is limited, forcing them to pick up quite a bit on the fly.

I'm glad you said this. Kadeem Allen looks awesome right now, John Jenkins looks good too. Granted they are about 25 yrs old by now but it might not hurt to have Frank and Mudiay stay down there for a bit after thier injuries.
Might as well go up against guys down there to build up game speed but also because I dont really see any minutes for them once back.

[F N 11]

Dennis just gotta get that hitch to gtfo when he's thinking too much. He's going to be fine. Im behind this kid. I believe in his potential. he's taking defense serious as well. Him and Frank together got me hype.

[CharlesOakley]

He is better than advertised on the defensive end and doesn't strike me as a knucklehead. If he can fix his shot he will be a player.

[drekwins]

Isn't morant the guy that plays in the mid major league, whereas the other two play against the vastly superior talent?

I'd take the two guys who play against truer talent, not lesser talent

Even so, their stats are subpar... Ja Morant played against #7 Auburn and had 25, 7 and 8 with 0 turnovers on 50% shooting. Against Alabama, he had 38, 9 and 5. He has looked like an elite athlete and player against everyone... Steph played at Davidson.

I'm not saying I'm against him, but to only use stats for a guy playing against lesser talent shouldn't be your go-to argument.

And Lillard went to a mid major also.

But there are so many more real college players VS mid majors that play. As you, or someone else, even stated, steph is a rare, generational player. There are more mid major players to fail, or never play in the NBA, than real college players.

For every LeBron, there's a wade, Melo, and bosh, or for every steph there's a griffin, Harden (ugh, feel gross acknowledging him), derozan, holiday, Teague

Wait... it's not about comparing Cam and RJ's stats to Morant. We have decades of data. Compare RJ and Cam against the past. For instance, look at their shooting vs. DSJ and Fultz college numbers:

DSJ - FG% - 45.5%, 3PT% - 35.9%, PTS - 18.1, AST - 6.2, STL - 1.9, TO - 3.4
Fultz - FG% - 47.6%, 3PT% - 41.3%, PTS - 23.2, AST - 5.9, STL - 1.6, TO - 3.2

Cam - FG% - 36.8%, 3PT% - 34.8%, PTS - 14.0, AST - 2.1, STL - 2.0, TO - 2.6
RJ - FG% - 44.7%, 3PT% - 33.8%, PTS - 22.7, AST - 3.7, STL - 1.0, TO - 2.9

Now... most people on here seem to think that DSJ and Fultz are two of the worst shooters of all time and both turn the ball over too much. Yet, both were better shooters than RJ and Cam at the same age. Not to mention, both also had a higher AST/TO ratio. In other words, I'm very NOT SOLD on Cam or RJ. I'd rather take the guy who is hitting over 80% from the FT line (including 21-21 from the FT line recently in ONE GAME - This indicates natural elite shooting ability that will continue to develop), has good PG size and elite athleticism.

[drekwins]

I think Mitch stole DSJ's free throw shooting

I'm serious, Mitch shot 47% before the trade, now all of a sudden he's a 65% shooter?

Meanwhile, DSJ was a 70% shooting in Dallas, now he only hits 55%?

Mitch out here absorbing powers like Super Buu, no wonder KP didn't want to play with him. Kid probably already stole his shot blocking, would've taken his jumper if he was allowed on court with him

I have been saying this non-stop. 71% in college as well. DSJ isn't nearly as bad of a shooter as people seem to think. He's just pressing.

[SmoothLefty21]

Now... most people on here seem to think that DSJ and Fultz are two of the worst shooters of all time and both turn the ball over too much. Yet, both were better shooters than RJ and Cam at the same age. Not to mention, both also had a higher AST/TO ratio. In other words, I'm very NOT SOLD on Cam or RJ. I'd rather take the guy who is hitting over 80% from the FT line (including 21-21 from the FT line recently in ONE GAME - This indicates natural elite shooting ability that will continue to develop), has good PG size and elite athleticism.

Strongly agree. I wouldn't touch Cam in the lottery; that Givony tweet last week cemented my feelings about Reddish. Not a fan of Barrett either but this draft is dreadful and I'd probably take him #3. I firmly have Morant as my #2 after Zion.