The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[Juco24]

I think you need a player like frank, most good teams usually have someone who does a role well and frank is a great defender(even a good passer).

You're not a typical ballboy (good post) now STFU & GTFO ... j/k. Welcome! I'm surprised you haven't been 'welcomed' by more of us (at least that I've seen anyways)

[Juco24]

Here's the thing. Frank is a throwback player to the days when people cared about defense and not just offense. Bruce Bowen NEVER averaged over 10 points a game in ANY season but he's considered a big reason why the Spurs were so good. With that said, people waiting and/or hoping Frank becomes a 12-14 ppg guy may never see that. Is that a bad thing?? Ask the Spurs... It's up to the Knicks organization to foster a roster that can utilize each guy's skill-set to the fullest. I like Fiz and am a huge supporter but like Horn, he didn't do Frank any favors the way he asked him to play.

All this crazy talk about Frank being out of the league in a couple of years is just that - CRAZY. Our problem is that we don't have a roster capable of bringing out Frank's talents - which is defense & unselfishness.

Some people's expectation is the problem and not necessarily Frank. He is who he is and that probably won't change.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Here's the thing. Frank is a throwback player to the days when people cared about defense and not just offense. Bruce Bowen NEVER averaged over 10 points a game in ANY season but he's considered a big reason why the Spurs were so good. With that said, people waiting and/or hoping Frank becomes a 12-14 ppg guy may never see that. Is that a bad thing?? Ask the Spurs... It's up to the Knicks organization to foster a roster that can utilize each guy's skill-set to the fullest. I like Fiz and am a huge supporter but like Horn, he didn't do Frank any favors the way he asked him to play.

All this crazy talk about Frank being out of the league in a couple of years is just that - CRAZY. Our problem is that we don't have a roster capable of bringing out Frank's talents - which is defense & unselfishness.

Some people's expectation is the problem and not necessarily Frank. He is who he is and that probably won't change.

Yeah, agree 100%. You still need players like that. Raptors had Danny Green starting (9ppg career), and GS had Dray (7.4 ppg, on 6.4 shots)...they were still extremly valuable players on championship caliber teams

[Gravy]

If Frank is to be our defensive specialist with limited offense then he needs players around him that can score. The last two seasons we only had KP and a streaky Timmy that could do that. Once KP went down, Frank's offensive flaws became too glaring and we needed to put someone out there that could get points. I don't feel Fiz hated Frank, it's that you don't win games 80-78 anymore and we were desperate for buckets.

This season, if Randle, Knox, RJ, Trier, DSJ can get be solid scorers then Franks defensive minded skillset can find a place on the team.

[taj2133]

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[GONYK]

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[Jalen Bluntson]

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Because he's been selling Frank is a bust since he was drafted. Saying he'll be traded for 2 years now.

[DOT]

I mean, I've been pretty consistent about it

Once you hit the 3rd year, being young isn't really that big of a defense any more. I love the kid, but you gotta show me some reason to keep you besides just defense and ball movement. Just being practical, we're probably gonna be picking high again this year, and I know it's still wicked early, but with the exception of Wiseman, pretty much all the top prospects are guards. So assuming we just go bpa, our future core 5 looks like DSJ/2020 pick/RJ/Knox/Mitch, and there's no way I'm putting Frank above any of them. So then, Frank's gonna come off the bench right? Well, are you taking him over Trier or Dot? Like, he's much younger than them and a better defender, so I would argue his ceiling should be higher, but his floor is also considerably lower. When you're filling out the bench for a team trying to compete, you don't want a guy who could potentially be a better role player, you want guys who are gonna come in and be consistent, so not over them.

Then, we're also targeting the 2021 FA class, who have a lot of really good wings which would push Frank back even further, plus he'll have a nearly 20 million dollar cap hold that summer. It's just not practical to expect us to keep him when his contract situation would be such a hindrance

Sucks cause I really like him, but I just don't see a future for him with us. I'm just looking forward to the other kids this year, who I also really like.

[taj2133]

Here's the thing. Frank is a throwback player to the days when people cared about defense and not just offense. Bruce Bowen NEVER averaged over 10 points a game in ANY season but he's considered a big reason why the Spurs were so good. With that said, people waiting and/or hoping Frank becomes a 12-14 ppg guy may never see that. Is that a bad thing?? Ask the Spurs... It's up to the Knicks organization to foster a roster that can utilize each guy's skill-set to the fullest. I like Fiz and am a huge supporter but like Horn, he didn't do Frank any favors the way he asked him to play.

All this crazy talk about Frank being out of the league in a couple of years is just that - CRAZY. Our problem is that we don't have a roster capable of bringing out Frank's talents - which is defense & unselfishness.

Some people's expectation is the problem and not necessarily Frank. He is who he is and that probably won't change.

Yeah, agree 100%. You still need players like that. Raptors had Danny Green starting (9ppg career), and GS had Dray (7.4 ppg, on 6.4 shots)...they were still extremly valuable players on championship caliber teams

If frank was picked at 50 and was putting these offensive numbers that would be fine, but he is a lottery pick playing in biggest media market in the world in nyc he can't be adre roberson with the 8 pick.

[Capn'O]

It's an easy boat to jump off of. Frank was always a boom/bust pick. It looks like bust but the guys picked directly after him weren't world beaters either until you get to Mitchell. Smith (sorry, Melo), Kennard, Zach Collins, Monk - I dunno. They could have roles? So could Frank.

So it looks like Frank is gonna be on the bust side. Still might not but probably will. Oh wellsky. Won't be the first upside, mid-lotto bust and definitely won't be the last.

[Clyde_Style]

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Because he's been selling Frank is a bust since he was drafted. Saying he'll be traded for 2 years now.

Taj has gone Full Anti-Frank and frankly it is getting a little stale

How about we just let the players do the talking during the regular season before we determine their final fates?

[Clyde_Style]

It's an easy boat to jump off of. Frank was always a boom/bust pick. It looks like bust but the guys picked directly after him weren't world beaters either until you get to Mitchell. Smith (sorry, Melo), Kennard, Zach Collins, Monk - I dunno. They could have roles? So could Frank.

So it looks like Frank is gonna be on the bust side. Still might not but probably will. Oh wellsky. Won't be the first upside, mid-lotto bust and definitely won't be the last.

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[Slicin N Dicin]

I just think it's uneducated to consider Frank a bust or think he's a bum because of his lack of scoring.

Dude is a contibutor on winning basketball teams - which unfortunately the Knicks haven't been.

Defense + ball movement are major keys to playing winning basketball and that's what he does. Sure, we would all like to see the 3% at a much better clip, but someone here posted that outside of 2 sub-par months, he's pretty decent.

With much better talent this year, as long as he can get on the court (looking @ you Fiz) and you put him around finishers and shooters, he will be much better.

Euro ball is played much different than the NBA, just need to look at mechanics and aggression (to a degree, since Euro ball and scheme) but defense and ball movement is key. That is winning basketball.

We're Knicks fans - supposed to know better, not "OmG NoT ShOoTiNg ThReE oR FoRcInG"

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yeah, agree 100%. You still need players like that. Raptors had Danny Green starting (9ppg career), and GS had Dray (7.4 ppg, on 6.4 shots)...they were still extremly valuable players on championship caliber teams

If frank was picked at 50 and was putting these offensive numbers that would be fine, but he is a lottery pick playing in biggest media market in the world in nyc he can't be adre roberson with the 8 pick.

It doesnt really matter where he was drafted now. We cant go back and change the pick and take Mitchell so its really not worth crying about everyday. If he can be a useful player then he's worth keeping and developing. I didn't even want to draft him either. But someone that can be a really good defender can help us and has value. He still has a lot of potential on that end, which is half the game. The best teams play defense and have good defenders. We have been one of the worse defensive teams the past few years so could use someone like Frank. The year we were good, we played good defense and had guards like Kidd and Prigs who played there role and played solid defense. It can make a difference just having the right role players like that....even if Frank turns into some version of Prigs or Kidd (from that year) that would have value for us.

Plus, its rare to find a superstar at #8. Just eyeballing it, there looks like a 50/50 shot at finding a decent player vs a bust. If you can find a solid player at that spot its about avg. If Frank can be a positive role player even if its mostly on defense its not the worse thing in the world.

Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2019 Jaxson Hayes, Texas – New Orleans Pelicans
2018 Collin Sexton, Alabama – Cleveland Cavaliers
2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

1990’s

1999 Andre Miller, Utah – Cleveland Cavaliers
1998 Larry Hughes, Saint Louis – Philadelphia 76ers
1997 Adonal Foyle, Colgate – Golden State Warriors
1996 Kerry Kittles, Villanova – New Jersey Nets
1995 Shawn Respert, Michigan State – Portland Trail Blazers (Draft rights traded to Milwaukee Bucks)
1994 Brian Grant, Xavier – Sacramento Kings
1993 Vin Baker, Hartford – Milwaukee Bucks
1992 Todd Day, Arkansas – Milwaukee Bucks
1991 Mark Macon, Temple – Denver Nuggets
1990 Bo Kimble, Loyola Marymount – L.A. Clippers

[Jalen Bluntson]

I'm still on board with Frank. If the ship sinks...so what? I like what he brings and what he could become. If he doesn't improve...oh well.

[GONYK]

It's an easy boat to jump off of. Frank was always a boom/bust pick. It looks like bust but the guys picked directly after him weren't world beaters either until you get to Mitchell. Smith (sorry, Melo), Kennard, Zach Collins, Monk - I dunno. They could have roles? So could Frank.

So it looks like Frank is gonna be on the bust side. Still might not but probably will. Oh wellsky. Won't be the first upside, mid-lotto bust and definitely won't be the last.

Well, it is interesting, because he has lived up to the defensive hype. He's also been a skilled enough passer to believe in that part of his game. The team genuinely plays better with him on the floor. Pair him with a rim protector, and your defense is significantly better. Those aren't the hallmarks of a bust. He makes a difference on the floor.

It's just his offense. More specifically, his offensive mentality.

It's not a matter of raw skill with Frank, it is how he approaches the game.

Whether or not that can be fixed determines his career trajectory.

[Capn'O]

It's an easy boat to jump off of. Frank was always a boom/bust pick. It looks like bust but the guys picked directly after him weren't world beaters either until you get to Mitchell. Smith (sorry, Melo), Kennard, Zach Collins, Monk - I dunno. They could have roles? So could Frank.

So it looks like Frank is gonna be on the bust side. Still might not but probably will. Oh wellsky. Won't be the first upside, mid-lotto bust and definitely won't be the last.

Well, it is interesting, because he has lived up to the defensive hype. He's also been a skilled enough passer to believe in that part of his game. The team genuinely plays better with him on the floor. Pair him with a rim protector, and your defense is significantly better. Those aren't the hallmarks of a bust. He makes a difference on the floor.

It's just his offense. More specifically, his offensive mentality.

It's not a matter of raw skill with Frank, it is how he approaches the game.

Whether or not that can be fixed determines his career trajectory.

That is the question. It's why I supported him as the pick. He has the ceiling to be a little bit more than the guys just behind him until Mitchell, imo. I always ask - what's so different physically about him from SGA?

[DOT]

Defense + ball movement are major keys to playing winning basketball and that's what he does. Sure, we would all like to see the 3% at a much better clip, but someone here posted that outside of 2 sub-par months, he's pretty decent.

Sub-par is generous though

Tony Allen is a career 28% shooter
Roberson career 26%

Frank in November is at 22% (16% this past year)

I just find it funny

[remi_222]

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[taj2133]

Why are you posting random Twitter discussions between fans?

That's literally the same thing as this board

Because he's been selling Frank is a bust since he was drafted. Saying he'll be traded for 2 years now.

Taj has gone Full Anti-Frank and frankly it is getting a little stale

How about we just let the players do the talking during the regular season before we determine their final fates?

I am like this all our players on the knicks especially if you are a lottery pick there is expectation that need be met and frank hasn't met those expectation yet. I give you example early last season when mitch robinson was getting minutes but he was committing stupid fools on regular basis and fouling out i called robinson out for committing those stupid fouls on regular basis. The problem i have with frank is how offensive game is so bad but he doesn't realize why its so horrible he is playing on offensive its like kind delusional . I will give you this frank is great defensive guard there is no argument from me there. I give you another example when lakers traded lonzo ball they traded because he sucked offense and he couldn't shot the ball. The lakers also trade lonzo ball because his family and him are too much drama.