Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath

[stuporman]

Would it be a bad thing if Frank just becomes a versatile super glue guy that winds up getting a modest second contract to stay with the Knicks but provides much needed defense and intangibles as long as he isn't a complete liability on offense?

Not every player will become a 'star' type but very much are an integral part of a winning team.

Absolutely not

It'd be a bit disappointing sure, but I could live with it. If he becomes a Batum caliber player, do we really need him to do any more?

Especially if DSJ, RJ, and Knox live up to their potentials on offense, as long as he's making smart passes and hitting his shots, he'd be an extremely valuable piece for us. He just has to get his shot consistent

Really don't get why people act like it'd be such a hard thing to do for him to improve his shot. There's nothing wrong with it, and he's been pretty solid outside of a couple months

Every winning team needs a defender who can disrupt an opponents offense at the point of attack, moves the ball and can hit an open shot when needed. Especially if it comes from a guy who can defend 1-3 and effectively facilitate the offense if tasked to while being on a reasonable contract.

[GONYK]

Would it be a bad thing if Frank just becomes a versatile super glue guy that winds up getting a modest second contract to stay with the Knicks but provides much needed defense and intangibles as long as he isn't a complete liability on offense?

Not every player will become a 'star' type but very much are an integral part of a winning team.

Absolutely not

It'd be a bit disappointing sure, but I could live with it. If he becomes a Batum caliber player, do we really need him to do any more?

Especially if DSJ, RJ, and Knox live up to their potentials on offense, as long as he's making smart passes and hitting his shots, he'd be an extremely valuable piece for us. He just has to get his shot consistent

Really don't get why people act like it'd be such a hard thing to do for him to improve his shot. There's nothing wrong with it, and he's been pretty solid outside of a couple months

Every winning team needs a defender who can disrupt an opponents offense at the point of attack, moves the ball and can hit an open shot when needed. Especially if it comes from a guy who can defend 1-3 and effectively facilitate the offense if tasked to while being on a reasonable contract.

Sounds very familiar

[stuporman]

Absolutely not

It'd be a bit disappointing sure, but I could live with it. If he becomes a Batum caliber player, do we really need him to do any more?

Especially if DSJ, RJ, and Knox live up to their potentials on offense, as long as he's making smart passes and hitting his shots, he'd be an extremely valuable piece for us. He just has to get his shot consistent

Really don't get why people act like it'd be such a hard thing to do for him to improve his shot. There's nothing wrong with it, and he's been pretty solid outside of a couple months

Every winning team needs a defender who can disrupt an opponents offense at the point of attack, moves the ball and can hit an open shot when needed. Especially if it comes from a guy who can defend 1-3 and effectively facilitate the offense if tasked to while being on a reasonable contract.

Sounds very familiar

Indeed and I have made that potential comp before....

[Jeff Van Gully]

Good read

Spoiler:

very

Yea, great article. Thanks for posting.

3 things:

1. I can't help but wonder how much further along Frank would be if he was working with Martin from the beginning and not wasting time with Brickley. It was the first change Frank's new agent made. Martin's approach seems so much more focused and seems to have yielded a quicker tangible benefit. It's also coinciding with Frank growing into his body as well.

2. It's interesting that Collet basically said that he wished he could have kept Frank a few more seasons before Frank came to the NBA. Collet noticed all the same things we do, but he seems to really know how to critique Frank while still building him up. The more time Frank has with him, the better.

3. How did Kemba not know Frank could do these things? Frank's best games scoring wise have come against the Hornets

all great points. as for #1, i also think correlation doesn't necessarily mean causality here, as frank has also grown into his body with time. i don't know if it's fair to brickley to say this wouldn't still be a breakout opportunity, or he wouldn't have had the same impact.

but the change was likely for a reason. so, there's that.

and with collet, i agree. i think frank came over probably at least a year too soon. that's why i keep clamoring for patience with dude. he's STILL the age of some rookies this season. he was young and really looked/felt it when he first came over. his readiness was always a risk. i wonder how the frank hype train might be if he were cooking some more in france and had a big time world cup before he played an NBA game.

#3 kemba had the best scouting report possible. but to be fair, frank ain't never try no stepback with the celebration loaded on the follow through.

[thebuzzardman]

Good read

Spoiler:

very

Yea, great article. Thanks for posting.

3 things:

1. I can't help but wonder how much further along Frank would be if he was working with Martin from the beginning and not wasting time with Brickley. It was the first change Frank's new agent made. Martin's approach seems so much more focused and seems to have yielded a quicker tangible benefit. It's also coinciding with Frank growing into his body as well.

2. It's interesting that Collet basically said that he wished he could have kept Frank a few more seasons before Frank came to the NBA. Collet noticed all the same things we do, but he seems to really know how to critique Frank while still building him up. The more time Frank has with him, the better.

3. How did Kemba not know Frank could do these things? Frank's best games scoring wise have come against the Hornets

This.

“He had a tendency to shoot off-rhythm,” Martin said. “He’d pick up his dribble, but his feet would continue to move before his shot.”

Some people on here were mentioning this at least a year ago. Sorry I can't remember exactly who.

You'd think Brickley would've worked on that. Maybe he did, but it didn't take. I'm glad he's not Frank's trainer anymore.

[3toheadmelo]

very

Yea, great article. Thanks for posting.

3 things:

1. I can't help but wonder how much further along Frank would be if he was working with Martin from the beginning and not wasting time with Brickley. It was the first change Frank's new agent made. Martin's approach seems so much more focused and seems to have yielded a quicker tangible benefit. It's also coinciding with Frank growing into his body as well.

2. It's interesting that Collet basically said that he wished he could have kept Frank a few more seasons before Frank came to the NBA. Collet noticed all the same things we do, but he seems to really know how to critique Frank while still building him up. The more time Frank has with him, the better.

3. How did Kemba not know Frank could do these things? Frank's best games scoring wise have come against the Hornets

This.

“He had a tendency to shoot off-rhythm,” Martin said. “He’d pick up his dribble, but his feet would continue to move before his shot.”

Some people on here were mentioning this at least a year ago. Sorry I can't remember exactly who.

You'd think Brickley would've worked on that. Maybe he did, but it didn't take. I'm glad he's not Frank's trainer anymore.

I don’t get the dislike for Brickley here. I’m pretty sure he’s one of the best guys out there since pretty much all the nba stars workout with him.

Dude left the Knicks on his own to become a full time trainer and it’s paying off. You gotta grind hard to end up where he is now and I respect it.

[Kampuchea]

Frank is closer to G league or out of the league than he is to Andre or Batum. UNREAL comparisons on here SMFH

[stuporman]

Frank is closer to G league or out of the league than he is to Andre or Batum. UNREAL comparisons on here SMFH

I guess you don't understand the nature of comparisons because people use them to describe style of play and role if a guy fulfills potential not that they are an exact carbon copy of that player currently but we shouldn't expect that much understanding from some people it appears.

[Clyde_Style]

BTW, anywhere to buy crow wholesale?

[HarthorneWingo]

Frank is closer to G league or out of the league than he is to Andre or Batum. UNREAL comparisons on here SMFH

Who would you compare the guy in your avi to?

[melo4three]

Frank is closer to G league or out of the league than he is to Andre or Batum. UNREAL comparisons on here SMFH

Who would you compare the guy in your avi to?

kind of a reach and it would be amazing if he could reach this ceiling but I am thinking kelly oubre jr.

[thebuzzardman]

Frank is closer to G league or out of the league than he is to Andre or Batum. UNREAL comparisons on here SMFH

Who would you compare the guy in your avi to?

kind of a reach and it would be amazing if he could reach this ceiling but I am thinking kelly oubre jr.

I'm kind of hoping for LFT x Joe Ingles

[MaseInYourFace]

Frank is nothing like Iguodala. Y’all have lost your mind dreaming.

[MaseInYourFace]

I gotta say I was a little disappointed when I saw Trier was working out with Brickley. Not the trainer that will push him to next level. I think Brickley is fine but every player needs different things.

[MaseInYourFace]

Frank is closer to G league or out of the league than he is to Andre or Batum. UNREAL comparisons on here SMFH

I guess you don't understand the nature of comparisons because people use them to describe style of play and role if a guy fulfills potential not that they are an exact carbon copy of that player currently but we shouldn't expect that much understanding from some people it appears.

Comparing Frank to iguodala is unfair to frank and just not very realistic IMO. So much of iguodalas game revolves/revolved around his fluidity and athleticism (early Iggy). Maybe an old Iguodala but I still think it’s off.

[DOT]

Frank is closer to G league or out of the league than he is to Andre or Batum. UNREAL comparisons on here SMFH

I guess you don't understand the nature of comparisons because people use them to describe style of play and role if a guy fulfills potential not that they are an exact carbon copy of that player currently but we shouldn't expect that much understanding from some people it appears.

Comparing Frank to iguodala is unfair to frank and just not very realistic IMO. So much of iguodalas game revolves/revolved around his fluidity and athleticism (early Iggy). Maybe an old Iguodala but I still think it’s off.

But they aren't comparing him to young Iggy

That's what people get so worked up over every time the comp is made, no matter how clearly they say they're comparing him to older Iggy

People just want to complain about player comps, not actually look at who they're comparing players to or in what regard

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[KnicksGadfly]

If Frank becomes prime Batum, that's a good player.

[MadGrinch]

I'm going with a mix of Mo Cheeks and Kirk Hinrich...but a giant version.

[Kampuchea]

Frank is closer to G league or out of the league than he is to Andre or Batum. UNREAL comparisons on here SMFH

Who would you compare the guy in your avi to?

Former Knick Copeland.

[Kampuchea]

Frank is closer to G league or out of the league than he is to Andre or Batum. UNREAL comparisons on here SMFH

I guess you don't understand the nature of comparisons because people use them to describe style of play and role if a guy fulfills potential not that they are an exact carbon copy of that player currently but we shouldn't expect that much understanding from some people it appears.

Comparing Frank to iguodala is unfair to frank and just not very realistic IMO. So much of iguodalas game revolves/revolved around his fluidity and athleticism (early Iggy). Maybe an old Iguodala but I still think it’s off.

Exactly. Any Frank comparison needs to be heavily disclaimed. Maybe he can be a less physical Marcus Smart. Good defender and passer but poor on offense otherwise. He’s not shown he can be as good as Smart yet, we just have to hope.