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Re: Scott Perry rejected the notion on sending players to G-League, feeling it would be perceived as too big a demotion 

Post#101 » by Garbagelo » Tue Aug 4, 2020 8:20 am

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While Thibodeau is the sensible candidate to rep the Knicks during lottery proceedings Aug. 20, make no mistake: This is still Perry’s draft.

it seems as tho Perry isn't as powerless now as some fans think


As usual, they bungle everything up

They are unable to ever get a clean slate because they continue putting the cart in front of the horse and that cart happens to be filled with bricks and the horse is actually a pony. Brain cells actually matter and we can't buy one because we are capped out.

And yes, this rebuild will fail too
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Re: Scott Perry rejected the notion on sending players to G-League, feeling it would be perceived as too big a demotion 

Post#102 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 4, 2020 11:49 am

Garbagelo wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
Read on Twitter


While Thibodeau is the sensible candidate to rep the Knicks during lottery proceedings Aug. 20, make no mistake: This is still Perry’s draft.

it seems as tho Perry isn't as powerless now as some fans think


As usual, they bungle everything up

They are unable to ever get a clean slate because they continue putting the cart in front of the horse and that cart happens to be filled with bricks and the horse is actually a pony. Brain cells actually matter and we can't buy one because we are capped out.

And yes, this rebuild will fail too


"This is still Perry's draft"

I saw nothing in that article that really supported that.
I read stuff that stated "Perry is still around, was in the zoom meeting, is doing some pro scouting in Orlando, and will be at the draft in person when it happens"

And Berman takes those words that he wrote, and says the most agitating thing he can, because that's what he does: "Make no mistake, this is Perry's draft"

Let's be a little sensible. Sure the Knicks could f*ck this whole thing up. That's a given. But that could happen no matter what Perry's role is or isn't.

The guy is under contract for a year. He has the title of GM, the job he was hired for. What, all of a sudden they aren't going to let the guy talk at a press conference (zoom)? Not talk to the press? Not do some scouting? Not have his ass on a draft dais?

This is what I think happened:
- Dolan insisted Perry stay on until end of contract because $
- Rose was willing for multiple reasons:
- For transition, particular under the 'rona conditions
- That he can sideline Perry to a degree - guys above AND below him in the org have been replaced. Two Asst GM types Perry hired have their contracts up in August - a few posters helpfully pointed that out to me
- That Perry is liked and respected around the league as a FO guy if not a GM and has relationships around the league. Rose is a relationships guy, understands their value. He's not going to come in and sh*t on Perry's head.

- I think there is a kind of diplomatic dance going on. The Knicks state Perry is still the GM, but he's not REALLY the GM. He's doing Asst GM stuff. He's EXECUTING stuff, because he knows how things work, but other people are doing the leg work, the vision, the choices. And the Rose isn't going to embarrass Perry by obviously publicly sidelining him. The delicate part is that Perry get treated with respect INTERNALLY, stuff we don't see. Where Perry knows he's on the outs, where Rose knows he's on the outs. Where Perry knows Rose knows (I suppose) but he is given enough to do and treated with some respect and dignity. Both to make the year go well, and also so Perry doesn't start trashing the new regime back channel.

I don't know. The Knicks could be dumb enough to let the lame duck guy draft again like with Phil, but there's also the case that Berman seeded that idea to create another story later on about "Knicks dysfunction". And with Dolan around, Knicks dysfunction is real, but I just don't trust Berman and I laid out another pretty plausible scenario.

It's not wholly "Perry's draft". Perry's team drafted Knox, which sucked, but also got Mitch and picked up Trier UDFA. They moved up a few spots for Iggy, but obviously verdict is out on that, other than I think it was solid to pick up a guy I think is clearly a bench contributor and they spent some $ to capitalize on the luck that the guy had dropped maybe 5-8 slots in the draft and ensured the luck didn't evaporate one slot before them. So Perry will get to participate and suggest, but I think it's Perrin/Zannin who have the last word with Rose.

Yes, I wish they would have let Perry go and got a new GM in.
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Re: Scott Perry rejected the notion on sending players to G-League, feeling it would be perceived as too big a demotion 

Post#103 » by Zenzibar » Tue Aug 4, 2020 12:06 pm

Some of you guys can't live with things going really really well.

Now we have 6 pages of Scott Perry and last year with Mills. Jezzus.

A bunch of old hags, you are.

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Re: Scott Perry rejected the notion on sending players to G-League, feeling it would be perceived as too big a demotion 

Post#104 » by DaGawd » Tue Aug 4, 2020 12:11 pm

Zenzibar wrote:Some of you guys can't live with things going really really well.

Now we have 6 pages of Scott Perry and last year with Mills. Jezzus.

A bunch of old hags, you are.

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What exactly is going really really well right now?? Enlighten me...
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Re: Scott Perry rejected the notion on sending players to G-League, feeling it would be perceived as too big a demotion 

Post#105 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 4, 2020 12:53 pm

DaGawd wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:Some of you guys can't live with things going really really well.

Now we have 6 pages of Scott Perry and last year with Mills. Jezzus.

A bunch of old hags, you are.

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What exactly is going really really well right now?? Enlighten me...


Here's the middle ground take.

Rose not a bball expert outside relationships but seems unafraid to hire smart people
Thibs is obviously a good, hardworking coach. Not Kenny, but he's competent. Obviously, it's always mostly about the players.
WWW - whatever. Could be good because "relationships" or not
Perrin/Zanin - good FO/scouting types with strong reputations
Aller - One of the top capologists. Knicks also hire $ analytics kid to work with him
Knicks hire young scouting whiz kid with connections
Alan Houston still around - probably bad but maybe not
Perry still around - read my ebook above
Perry's two asst GM's still around but contracts end in August
Knicks still need to hire some more asst coaches
Knicks still need to hire a developmental head to replace Robinson
Knicks still need to hire like 3 or 4 guys to work under the developmental head
Sure I missed some pros and cons.

I see some decently good things SO FAR. No obvious bad red flags. And obviously, with any of these hires, need at least a year to really start forming a good opinion. Not like opinions can't be well formed sooner, but there's a lot of knee jerk reactions on here, good and bad.
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Post#106 » by god shammgod » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:01 pm

it's rose's draft. he's smart enough to know that everything that happens falls on him ultimately. perry will have a voice like everyone else will too.
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Re: Scott Perry rejected the notion on sending players to G-League, feeling it would be perceived as too big a demotion 

Post#107 » by GONYK » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:04 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Garbagelo wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
Read on Twitter


While Thibodeau is the sensible candidate to rep the Knicks during lottery proceedings Aug. 20, make no mistake: This is still Perry’s draft.

it seems as tho Perry isn't as powerless now as some fans think


As usual, they bungle everything up

They are unable to ever get a clean slate because they continue putting the cart in front of the horse and that cart happens to be filled with bricks and the horse is actually a pony. Brain cells actually matter and we can't buy one because we are capped out.

And yes, this rebuild will fail too


"This is still Perry's draft"

I saw nothing in that article that really supported that.
I read stuff that stated "Perry is still around, was in the zoom meeting, is doing some pro scouting in Orlando, and will be at the draft in person when it happens"

And Berman takes those words that he wrote, and says the most agitating thing he can, because that's what he does: "Make no mistake, this is Perry's draft"

Let's be a little sensible. Sure the Knicks could f*ck this whole thing up. That's a given. But that could happen no matter what Perry's role is or isn't.

The guy is under contract for a year. He has the title of GM, the job he was hired for. What, all of a sudden they aren't going to let the guy talk at a press conference (zoom)? Not talk to the press? Not do some scouting? Not have his ass on a draft dais?

This is what I think happened:
- Dolan insisted Perry stay on until end of contract because $
- Rose was willing for multiple reasons:
- For transition, particular under the 'rona conditions
- That he can sideline Perry to a degree - guys above AND below him in the org have been replaced. Two Asst GM types Perry hired have their contracts up in August - a few posters helpfully pointed that out to me
- That Perry is liked and respected around the league as a FO guy if not a GM and has relationships around the league. Rose is a relationships guy, understands their value. He's not going to come in and sh*t on Perry's head.

- I think there is a kind of diplomatic dance going on. The Knicks state Perry is still the GM, but he's not REALLY the GM. He's doing Asst GM stuff. He's EXECUTING stuff, because he knows how things work, but other people are doing the leg work, the vision, the choices. And the Rose isn't going to embarrass Perry by obviously publicly sidelining him. The delicate part is that Perry get treated with respect INTERNALLY, stuff we don't see. Where Perry knows he's on the outs, where Rose knows he's on the outs. Where Perry knows Rose knows (I suppose) but he is given enough to do and treated with some respect and dignity. Both to make the year go well, and also so Perry doesn't start trashing the new regime back channel.

I don't know. The Knicks could be dumb enough to let the lame duck guy draft again like with Phil, but there's also the case that Berman seeded that idea to create another story later on about "Knicks dysfunction". And with Dolan around, Knicks dysfunction is real, but I just don't trust Berman and I laid out another pretty plausible scenario.

It's not wholly "Perry's draft". Perry's team drafted Knox, which sucked, but also got Mitch and picked up Trier UDFA. They moved up a few spots for Iggy, but obviously verdict is out on that, other than I think it was solid to pick up a guy I think is clearly a bench contributor and they spent some $ to capitalize on the luck that the guy had dropped maybe 5-8 slots in the draft and ensured the luck didn't evaporate one slot before them. So Perry will get to participate and suggest, but I think it's Perrin/Zannin who have the last word with Rose.

Yes, I wish they would have let Perry go and got a new GM in.

We didn't hire Perrin and Kline for Scott Perry to be the ultimate decision maker
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Re: Scott Perry rejected the notion on sending players to G-League, feeling it would be perceived as too big a demotion 

Post#108 » by rajajackal » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:07 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Garbagelo wrote:
knickstape4ever wrote:
Read on Twitter


While Thibodeau is the sensible candidate to rep the Knicks during lottery proceedings Aug. 20, make no mistake: This is still Perry’s draft.

it seems as tho Perry isn't as powerless now as some fans think


As usual, they bungle everything up

They are unable to ever get a clean slate because they continue putting the cart in front of the horse and that cart happens to be filled with bricks and the horse is actually a pony. Brain cells actually matter and we can't buy one because we are capped out.

And yes, this rebuild will fail too


"This is still Perry's draft"

I saw nothing in that article that really supported that.
I read stuff that stated "Perry is still around, was in the zoom meeting, is doing some pro scouting in Orlando, and will be at the draft in person when it happens"

And Berman takes those words that he wrote, and says the most agitating thing he can, because that's what he does: "Make no mistake, this is Perry's draft"

Let's be a little sensible. Sure the Knicks could f*ck this whole thing up. That's a given. But that could happen no matter what Perry's role is or isn't.

The guy is under contract for a year. He has the title of GM, the job he was hired for. What, all of a sudden they aren't going to let the guy talk at a press conference (zoom)? Not talk to the press? Not do some scouting? Not have his ass on a draft dais?

This is what I think happened:
- Dolan insisted Perry stay on until end of contract because $
- Rose was willing for multiple reasons:
- For transition, particular under the 'rona conditions
- That he can sideline Perry to a degree - guys above AND below him in the org have been replaced. Two Asst GM types Perry hired have their contracts up in August - a few posters helpfully pointed that out to me
- That Perry is liked and respected around the league as a FO guy if not a GM and has relationships around the league. Rose is a relationships guy, understands their value. He's not going to come in and sh*t on Perry's head.

- I think there is a kind of diplomatic dance going on. The Knicks state Perry is still the GM, but he's not REALLY the GM. He's doing Asst GM stuff. He's EXECUTING stuff, because he knows how things work, but other people are doing the leg work, the vision, the choices. And the Rose isn't going to embarrass Perry by obviously publicly sidelining him. The delicate part is that Perry get treated with respect INTERNALLY, stuff we don't see. Where Perry knows he's on the outs, where Rose knows he's on the outs. Where Perry knows Rose knows (I suppose) but he is given enough to do and treated with some respect and dignity. Both to make the year go well, and also so Perry doesn't start trashing the new regime back channel.

I don't know. The Knicks could be dumb enough to let the lame duck guy draft again like with Phil, but there's also the case that Berman seeded that idea to create another story later on about "Knicks dysfunction". And with Dolan around, Knicks dysfunction is real, but I just don't trust Berman and I laid out another pretty plausible scenario.

It's not wholly "Perry's draft". Perry's team drafted Knox, which sucked, but also got Mitch and picked up Trier UDFA. They moved up a few spots for Iggy, but obviously verdict is out on that, other than I think it was solid to pick up a guy I think is clearly a bench contributor and they spent some $ to capitalize on the luck that the guy had dropped maybe 5-8 slots in the draft and ensured the luck didn't evaporate one slot before them. So Perry will get to participate and suggest, but I think it's Perrin/Zannin who have the last word with Rose.

Yes, I wish they would have let Perry go and got a new GM in.


long story short, i think Berman made a typo, and meant to say "this is Perrin's* draft" :lol:
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Post#109 » by Zenzibar » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:23 pm

DaGawd wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:Some of you guys can't live with things going really really well.

Now we have 6 pages of Scott Perry and last year with Mills. Jezzus.

A bunch of old hags, you are.

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What exactly is going really really well right now?? Enlighten me...


If you want to get enlighten go to India.

What I'm saying is that every year I root for my Knicks with a new slate, new hope for a better season. It's what Ive been doing since before Bernard.
Even when the Garden was rocking with Rick Patino or Pat Riley, Ewing and those boyz my hope was we did enough in the off-season to get pass Jordan.
Every year it ends in dissatisfaction but I reboot and cheer day1.

Its what I do and not stay stuck in some bullsht that happened last year.

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Post#110 » by Zenzibar » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:34 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:Some of you guys can't live with things going really really well.

Now we have 6 pages of Scott Perry and last year with Mills. Jezzus.

A bunch of old hags, you are.

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What exactly is going really really well right now?? Enlighten me...


Here's the middle ground take.

Rose not a bball expert outside relationships but seems unafraid to hire smart people
Thibs is obviously a good, hardworking coach. Not Kenny, but he's competent. Obviously, it's always mostly about the players.
WWW - whatever. Could be good because "relationships" or not
Perrin/Zanin - good FO/scouting types with strong reputations
Aller - One of the top capologists. Knicks also hire $ analytics kid to work with him
Knicks hire young scouting whiz kid with connections
Alan Houston still around - probably bad but maybe not
Perry still around - read my ebook above
Perry's two asst GM's still around but contracts end in August
Knicks still need to hire some more asst coaches
Knicks still need to hire a developmental head to replace Robinson
Knicks still need to hire like 3 or 4 guys to work under the developmental head
Sure I missed some pros and cons.

I see some decently good things SO FAR. No obvious bad red flags. And obviously, with any of these hires, need at least a year to really start forming a good opinion. Not like opinions can't be well formed sooner, but there's a lot of knee jerk reactions on here, good and bad.


Every thing you wrote was cool to me, until you said Thibs is not Kenny. This is taken that you preferred Atkinson.

Because otherwise its ludicrous to think Kenny Atkinson is a better coach than Tom Thibideau.
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Post#111 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:36 pm

GONYK wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Garbagelo wrote:
As usual, they bungle everything up

They are unable to ever get a clean slate because they continue putting the cart in front of the horse and that cart happens to be filled with bricks and the horse is actually a pony. Brain cells actually matter and we can't buy one because we are capped out.

And yes, this rebuild will fail too


"This is still Perry's draft"

I saw nothing in that article that really supported that.
I read stuff that stated "Perry is still around, was in the zoom meeting, is doing some pro scouting in Orlando, and will be at the draft in person when it happens"

And Berman takes those words that he wrote, and says the most agitating thing he can, because that's what he does: "Make no mistake, this is Perry's draft"

Let's be a little sensible. Sure the Knicks could f*ck this whole thing up. That's a given. But that could happen no matter what Perry's role is or isn't.

The guy is under contract for a year. He has the title of GM, the job he was hired for. What, all of a sudden they aren't going to let the guy talk at a press conference (zoom)? Not talk to the press? Not do some scouting? Not have his ass on a draft dais?

This is what I think happened:
- Dolan insisted Perry stay on until end of contract because $
- Rose was willing for multiple reasons:
- For transition, particular under the 'rona conditions
- That he can sideline Perry to a degree - guys above AND below him in the org have been replaced. Two Asst GM types Perry hired have their contracts up in August - a few posters helpfully pointed that out to me
- That Perry is liked and respected around the league as a FO guy if not a GM and has relationships around the league. Rose is a relationships guy, understands their value. He's not going to come in and sh*t on Perry's head.

- I think there is a kind of diplomatic dance going on. The Knicks state Perry is still the GM, but he's not REALLY the GM. He's doing Asst GM stuff. He's EXECUTING stuff, because he knows how things work, but other people are doing the leg work, the vision, the choices. And the Rose isn't going to embarrass Perry by obviously publicly sidelining him. The delicate part is that Perry get treated with respect INTERNALLY, stuff we don't see. Where Perry knows he's on the outs, where Rose knows he's on the outs. Where Perry knows Rose knows (I suppose) but he is given enough to do and treated with some respect and dignity. Both to make the year go well, and also so Perry doesn't start trashing the new regime back channel.

I don't know. The Knicks could be dumb enough to let the lame duck guy draft again like with Phil, but there's also the case that Berman seeded that idea to create another story later on about "Knicks dysfunction". And with Dolan around, Knicks dysfunction is real, but I just don't trust Berman and I laid out another pretty plausible scenario.

It's not wholly "Perry's draft". Perry's team drafted Knox, which sucked, but also got Mitch and picked up Trier UDFA. They moved up a few spots for Iggy, but obviously verdict is out on that, other than I think it was solid to pick up a guy I think is clearly a bench contributor and they spent some $ to capitalize on the luck that the guy had dropped maybe 5-8 slots in the draft and ensured the luck didn't evaporate one slot before them. So Perry will get to participate and suggest, but I think it's Perrin/Zannin who have the last word with Rose.

Yes, I wish they would have let Perry go and got a new GM in.

We didn't hire Perrin and Kline for Scott Perry to be the ultimate decision maker


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Post#112 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:38 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
DaGawd wrote:What exactly is going really really well right now?? Enlighten me...


Here's the middle ground take.

Rose not a bball expert outside relationships but seems unafraid to hire smart people
Thibs is obviously a good, hardworking coach. Not Kenny, but he's competent. Obviously, it's always mostly about the players.
WWW - whatever. Could be good because "relationships" or not
Perrin/Zanin - good FO/scouting types with strong reputations
Aller - One of the top capologists. Knicks also hire $ analytics kid to work with him
Knicks hire young scouting whiz kid with connections
Alan Houston still around - probably bad but maybe not
Perry still around - read my ebook above
Perry's two asst GM's still around but contracts end in August
Knicks still need to hire some more asst coaches
Knicks still need to hire a developmental head to replace Robinson
Knicks still need to hire like 3 or 4 guys to work under the developmental head
Sure I missed some pros and cons.

I see some decently good things SO FAR. No obvious bad red flags. And obviously, with any of these hires, need at least a year to really start forming a good opinion. Not like opinions can't be well formed sooner, but there's a lot of knee jerk reactions on here, good and bad.


Every thing you wrote was cool to me, until you said Thibs is not Kenny. This is taken that you preferred Atkinson.

Because otherwise its ludicrous to think Kenny Atkinson is a better coach than Tom Thibideau.


I'm more pro Thibs with a strong element of "either would have been good"

I threw in a "not Kenny" as a sop to the pro Kenny contingent.
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Post#113 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:43 pm

The TLDR on most things the Knicks do, for me, is in SPITE of their now long history of f*cking things up, unless something is wildly, obviously bad, some time is needed to analyze the situation.

Some people immediately hated the Phil hire. Some liked it (I leaned that way). But regardless, my stance was "time will tell"

Same thing with Mills\Perry. Wary of Mills, basically didn't like it, but would give it time. Time will tell.

KP trade. Generally thought it was a bad idea but also saw a number of reasons why it was done. Lots of variables still around KP's health, the level of picks etc. Obviously if KP stays healthy etc, Mavs pretty far ahead. Time will tell. Might take a few years.

Rose getting hired. Could be Dolan starph*cking again. Could be a really bad idea. Might really work out. Rose is PROBABLY here to close the deal on STARZ! He might actually operate like a real POBO. Or kind of like a good POBO who gets some STARZ! Time will tell.

Thibs hiring. He could be that bball junkie\detail oriented maniac that is good for the right kinds of players. Or, that outdated old school fool who is icing everything in sight and the team is taking 5 3's a game. Time will tell.
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Post#114 » by Zenzibar » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:44 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Here's the middle ground take.

Rose not a bball expert outside relationships but seems unafraid to hire smart people
Thibs is obviously a good, hardworking coach. Not Kenny, but he's competent. Obviously, it's always mostly about the players.
WWW - whatever. Could be good because "relationships" or not
Perrin/Zanin - good FO/scouting types with strong reputations
Aller - One of the top capologists. Knicks also hire $ analytics kid to work with him
Knicks hire young scouting whiz kid with connections
Alan Houston still around - probably bad but maybe not
Perry still around - read my ebook above
Perry's two asst GM's still around but contracts end in August
Knicks still need to hire some more asst coaches
Knicks still need to hire a developmental head to replace Robinson
Knicks still need to hire like 3 or 4 guys to work under the developmental head
Sure I missed some pros and cons.

I see some decently good things SO FAR. No obvious bad red flags. And obviously, with any of these hires, need at least a year to really start forming a good opinion. Not like opinions can't be well formed sooner, but there's a lot of knee jerk reactions on here, good and bad.


Every thing you wrote was cool to me, until you said Thibs is not Kenny. This is taken that you preferred Atkinson.

Because otherwise its ludicrous to think Kenny Atkinson is a better coach than Tom Thibideau.


I'm more pro Thibs with a strong element of "either would have been good"

I threw in a "not Kenny" as a sop to the pro Kenny contingent.


Fk em, let them get over it :)
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Post#115 » by god shammgod » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:51 pm

the thing is....all the stuff people fret over on here are the minute details. we need to work on the basics first. the knicks need high end talent. that's it. that's what it's all about. through the draft, free agency, trade, it doesn't really matter. just gotta get it somehow. if rose can do that, he'll succeed. if not he'll fail.
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Post#116 » by mpharris36 » Tue Aug 4, 2020 2:57 pm

god shammgod wrote:the thing is....all the stuff people fret over on here are the minute details. we need to work on the basics first. the knicks need high end talent. that's it. that's what it's all about. through the draft, free agency, trade, it doesn't really matter. just gotta get it somehow. if rose can do that, he'll succeed. if not he'll fail.



these two can be directly related to not developing your players though. No one is saying hey Knox stinks and we didn't develop him that was a missed chance at a superstar. But Knox not developing can also not make him a future asset that you can trade as an asset in a bigger deal so you don't have to just move future picks. You can move players + picks.

I don't think anyone is saying hey we are missing a chance developing a star. I think you either pick a star for the most part or you don't and get lucky and you know pretty early. But you can help your chances landing a star if you develop the young talent you have because it makes you more interesting for a potential trade partner.

So if we don't know how to develop young talent that even puts us farther behind the 8-ball in terms of now only have to luck into drafting one. The other options like FA and Trades will be more challenging because we are incompetent at developing young talent.
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god shammgod wrote:the thing is....all the stuff people fret over on here are the minute details. we need to work on the basics first. the knicks need high end talent. that's it. that's what it's all about. through the draft, free agency, trade, it doesn't really matter. just gotta get it somehow. if rose can do that, he'll succeed. if not he'll fail.



these two can be directly related to not developing your players though. No one is saying hey Knox stinks and we didn't develop him that was a missed chance at a superstar. But Knox not developing can also not make him a future asset that you can trade as an asset in a bigger deal so you don't have to just move future picks. You can move players + picks.

I don't think anyone is saying hey we are missing a chance developing a star. I think you either pick a star for the most part or you don't and get lucky and you know pretty early. But you can help your chances landing a star if you develop the young talent you have because it makes you more interesting for a potential trade partner.

So if we don't know how to develop young talent that even puts us farther behind the 8-ball in terms of now only have to luck into drafting one. The other options like FA and Trades will be more challenging because we are incompetent at developing young talent.


i don't think knox is failing because of a lack of development. he's failing because he's just not very good. they can only do so much to affect his personality and competitive drive. and they can't change his physical makeup either. he is who he is. is he failing because of his skill set or because of the things i just mentioned ? he has a good looking shot but can't shoot. he's too slow to be a wing and too soft to play the 4. you can't change that through development.
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Post#118 » by mpharris36 » Tue Aug 4, 2020 3:20 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:the thing is....all the stuff people fret over on here are the minute details. we need to work on the basics first. the knicks need high end talent. that's it. that's what it's all about. through the draft, free agency, trade, it doesn't really matter. just gotta get it somehow. if rose can do that, he'll succeed. if not he'll fail.



these two can be directly related to not developing your players though. No one is saying hey Knox stinks and we didn't develop him that was a missed chance at a superstar. But Knox not developing can also not make him a future asset that you can trade as an asset in a bigger deal so you don't have to just move future picks. You can move players + picks.

I don't think anyone is saying hey we are missing a chance developing a star. I think you either pick a star for the most part or you don't and get lucky and you know pretty early. But you can help your chances landing a star if you develop the young talent you have because it makes you more interesting for a potential trade partner.

So if we don't know how to develop young talent that even puts us farther behind the 8-ball in terms of now only have to luck into drafting one. The other options like FA and Trades will be more challenging because we are incompetent at developing young talent.


i don't think knox is failing because of a lack of development. he's failing because he's just not very good. they can only do so much to affect his personality and competitive drive. and they can't change his physical makeup either. he is who he is. is he failing because of his skill set or because of the things i just mentioned ? he has a good looking shot but can't shoot. he's too slow to be a wing and too soft to play the 4. you can't change that through development.



Lack of development, not picking the right player. All the same thing when it comes into a knock on our front office in the past.
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Post#119 » by god shammgod » Tue Aug 4, 2020 3:25 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:

these two can be directly related to not developing your players though. No one is saying hey Knox stinks and we didn't develop him that was a missed chance at a superstar. But Knox not developing can also not make him a future asset that you can trade as an asset in a bigger deal so you don't have to just move future picks. You can move players + picks.

I don't think anyone is saying hey we are missing a chance developing a star. I think you either pick a star for the most part or you don't and get lucky and you know pretty early. But you can help your chances landing a star if you develop the young talent you have because it makes you more interesting for a potential trade partner.

So if we don't know how to develop young talent that even puts us farther behind the 8-ball in terms of now only have to luck into drafting one. The other options like FA and Trades will be more challenging because we are incompetent at developing young talent.


i don't think knox is failing because of a lack of development. he's failing because he's just not very good. they can only do so much to affect his personality and competitive drive. and they can't change his physical makeup either. he is who he is. is he failing because of his skill set or because of the things i just mentioned ? he has a good looking shot but can't shoot. he's too slow to be a wing and too soft to play the 4. you can't change that through development.



Lack of development, not picking the right player. All the same thing when it comes into a knock on our front office in the past.


i never said anything about the past front office. i talked about rose being successful.
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Post#120 » by mpharris36 » Tue Aug 4, 2020 3:28 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
i don't think knox is failing because of a lack of development. he's failing because he's just not very good. they can only do so much to affect his personality and competitive drive. and they can't change his physical makeup either. he is who he is. is he failing because of his skill set or because of the things i just mentioned ? he has a good looking shot but can't shoot. he's too slow to be a wing and too soft to play the 4. you can't change that through development.



Lack of development, not picking the right player. All the same thing when it comes into a knock on our front office in the past.


i never said anything about the past front office. i talked about rose being successful.


Rose can only be successful if he has the right people around him I would guess. He has no history of building a roster so I hope Perry doesn't have much say at all....but he's still here...so there is always that concern.
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