2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[Capn'O]

Ricky G has some Uncomfortable Truths that some of you just close your ears to.

it appears ricky g also reads bleacher report - from earlier today

The Best Trade Offer Every NBA Lottery Team Could Hear on Draft Night

Golden State Warriors receive: Mitchell Robinson and No. 8 pick

New York Knicks receive: No. 2 pick

While ESPN's Tim Bontemps reported "unanimous" thinking around the Association that the Warriors will try to trade this pick, the market isn't breaking in the Dubs' favor. If this was supposed to be their ticket to a Bradley Beal, Ben Simmons or Giannis Antetokounmpo, those exchanges aren't happening.

Golden State could set its sights on a lower tier—optimistically a Jrue Holiday type, but realistically maybe Aaron Gordon—though that might be asking for trouble. Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are all on the wrong side of 30. The Splash Brothers just had their seasons wiped out by injuries, and Green could be tumbling down a steep decline. An outright pursuit of instant relief might be misguided.

Instead, it arguably makes the most sense to chase young talent and simply move down the draft board. If Ball makes it past No. 1 and the Knicks are desperate to have him, this is how the Warriors scratch both itches.

Mitchell Robinson immediately turbo-charges Golden State's frontcourt athleticism, providing both back-line protection on defense and aerial finishing on offense. The Knicks were a mess at point guard this season, and Robinson still finished in the 98th percentile of pick-and-roll screeners. He might be cheat-code dominant if he can play off Curry and Thompson.

By trading down in the draft, the Warriors can worry less about ceiling and more about polish. If the eighth pick nets them Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell or Obi Toppin, they can comfortably expect that player to handle a regular role in next season's rotation.

Ricky G reads everything and sees everything and then from it distills the Pure and Uncomfortable Truths that the world needs.

[god shammgod]

Ricky G has some Uncomfortable Truths that some of you just close your ears to.

it appears ricky g also reads bleacher report - from earlier today

The Best Trade Offer Every NBA Lottery Team Could Hear on Draft Night

Golden State Warriors receive: Mitchell Robinson and No. 8 pick

New York Knicks receive: No. 2 pick

While ESPN's Tim Bontemps reported "unanimous" thinking around the Association that the Warriors will try to trade this pick, the market isn't breaking in the Dubs' favor. If this was supposed to be their ticket to a Bradley Beal, Ben Simmons or Giannis Antetokounmpo, those exchanges aren't happening.

Golden State could set its sights on a lower tier—optimistically a Jrue Holiday type, but realistically maybe Aaron Gordon—though that might be asking for trouble. Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are all on the wrong side of 30. The Splash Brothers just had their seasons wiped out by injuries, and Green could be tumbling down a steep decline. An outright pursuit of instant relief might be misguided.

Instead, it arguably makes the most sense to chase young talent and simply move down the draft board. If Ball makes it past No. 1 and the Knicks are desperate to have him, this is how the Warriors scratch both itches.

Mitchell Robinson immediately turbo-charges Golden State's frontcourt athleticism, providing both back-line protection on defense and aerial finishing on offense. The Knicks were a mess at point guard this season, and Robinson still finished in the 98th percentile of pick-and-roll screeners. He might be cheat-code dominant if he can play off Curry and Thompson.

By trading down in the draft, the Warriors can worry less about ceiling and more about polish. If the eighth pick nets them Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell or Obi Toppin, they can comfortably expect that player to handle a regular role in next season's rotation.

Ricky G reads everything and sees everything and then from it distills the Pure and Uncomfortable Truths that the world needs.

he's not the nba insider we need but the one we deserve ?

[KnicksGadfly]

if smart teams don't sign players like mitch, why does golden state want to move down in the draft for a year or 2 of him ? i guess they're being stupid again. if only they could get it together.

Smart teams do sign players like Mitch. They just sign players like him to very cheap contracts.

However, there are a few caveats.

1) Mitch is younger and has more potential. More importantly, he has switchability and the potential to hit 3s. That gives him a lot more value than a traditional rim protector. Brook Lopez is basically a stiff rim protector but he's getting paid for his 3. And switchability...we don't see a lot of that in this league. At worst, the Warriors get a competent rim protector that can play C and save Draymond wear and tear during the regular season. At most, the Warriors develop him into a stud.

2) Mitch is also young AND established. If you're the Warriors, you're looking to maximize your window with Steph and Klay and Dray. At the very least, you know that Mitch can play. The fact that Mitch can lead the league in field goal percentage playing with the likes of Randle and Elfrid...imagine if you had Steph's gravity with Mitch's hops? And then consider that they can get Mitch with someone like Vassell or take a swing at another player? That's Steph - Klay - Vassell - Dray - Mitch. Shooting up and down the lineup. Defense up and down the lineup. Guys who know their roles, etc.

From my end, I wouldn't trade the 8 with Mitch just to move up to 2. We talk about how we haven't put Randle in the right position to succeed, but I think we should be prioritizing putting Mitch in the right position to succeed first. If we're trading Mitch, I want something substantial. If I'm the Warriors, I'm considering hitting up the Pacers first and offering the 2 for Myles Turner straight up.

Miles inst even the best centerthat team, is that good enough for the 2?

Think that's an irrelevant point. Myles would be the 2nd best center on the Sixers, Heat, Nuggets, etc. It only depends on how god Myles is, and I have a good opinion of him. Maybe others don't...willing to listen.

I guess you could make the point that the Warriors might ask for Sabonis first, but don't think Pacers would listen. I don't think the 2 in this draft is as valuable as years past...it's not getting an all star, but an above average player is doable.

[Capn'O]

it appears ricky g also reads bleacher report - from earlier today

Ricky G reads everything and sees everything and then from it distills the Pure and Uncomfortable Truths that the world needs.

he's not the nba insider we need but the one we deserve ?

Frankly, with all this Mitch slander lately we're lucky to have Ricky G.

[god shammgod]

Ricky G reads everything and sees everything and then from it distills the Pure and Uncomfortable Truths that the world needs.

he's not the nba insider we need but the one we deserve ?

Frankly, with all this Mitch slander lately we're lucky to have Ricky G.

it's really only like 3 or 4 people too but f*ck do they post a lot.

[knickstape4ever]

That is an awful contract, and what winning? We're talking about strictly potential, even then I don't doubt that he'll put up stats, but so what. Most rim runners who are decent can put together nice statlines and have nice advanced stats, then the playoffs roll around and they can't do anything. Look at the playoffs, look at how much rim runners like Mitch are paid, look at how the final 4 teams didn't have centers like Mitch making $18 million per. You reserve that kind of money for a star center, anything other than a star and you should just sign a vet.


I know why the Rockets traded Capella, that doesn't change the fact that the market for him wasn't that big. Smarter teams do not spend that much money on rim rolling centers anymore, the Rockets figured out that Capella despite his rebounding and defense doesn't really help you much in the playoffs. We should be ahead of the curve, not behind it, and paying $18 million per season for a player like Mitch is just a bad move, especially in a climate with a potentially declining / flat cap.

Just b/c there wasn't a rim running C in the final 4 teams doesn't mean that they're invaluable. The Jazz are largely driven by Gobert's defense. Jazz are a damn good team, would have probably beaten the Nuggets had Bogdanovic been healthy

Maybe the Rockets would've had more success if they had kept CP3 and Capela? Westbrook was a weird fit from the beginning, and they definitely needed rebounding help b/c they got KILLED by the Lakers on the boards. You're pointing to the Rockets formula, but it didnt exactly work out for them

Mitch is a one of the few (and maybe only) positive impact players the Knicks had the last 2 seasons.

Are you a Wiseman supporter? because his shooting ability is a question mark just like Mitch's

Gobert has a max salary, he's due for a supermax as well, not making it to the final four is pretty much the point. You save that kind of money for centers that can create offense at an elite level, even Bam who is levels above Mitch is going to need a jumper to reach the next level. And because of Gobert's own lack of offense they had to play 4 perimeter players with him this year, they weren't even a top 10 defensive team as a result.


I don't really care if Mitch is an impact player on a bad team, rim runners shouldn't be getting $18 million per year. We have like a decade's worth of examples now, it's not exactly like we don't know how they're defended. I'm not pointing to the Rockets formula as a build to copy, I'm pointing out how they exposed Steven Adams, or how the Celtics made it to the ECF with their center making $5 million for the year, Bam is on a rookie deal, Dwight is on a vet deal etc etc.

I just can't understand how people don't see it, Wiseman is projected as being an offensive minded center, so yes I'd want him over Mitch. This is like talking about keeping an Ipod when the Iphone 4 was already out, where the league is going is pretty clear, and rim rolling centers are the running backs of the NBA.

I think Mitch's deal will be closer to Capela than Gobert, but all 3 are similar players in terms of rim protection and offensive efficiency.

Sure Adams had a bad playoff series, but conversely Gobert was great. it can go both ways

Wiseman is PROJECTED to be an offensive minded C, however, have we even seen him knock down 3's in games? it's a projection just like some are projecting Mitch will be able to shoot this season

of the 4 teams that made the conference finals, 2 of the Centers were offensive minded: Bam (great 2-way) and Jokic. both are excellent passers, something that Wiseman is not.

Average passer who shows questionable instincts

-ESPN https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

[3toheadmelo]

[moocow007]

Are there stats for top ranked high school players who fell in draft status during their freshman year in college and how they did in the NBA? Its hard to remember who they were but it seems like they dont do so well. There's this article from 2016:

http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/columns/the-silver-fox/ten-year-history-of-top-ranked-rivals-basketball-players/

2007 No. 1 Ranked Player: Michael Beasley
2008 No. 1 Ranked Player: B.J. Mullens
2009 No. 1 Ranked Player: John Wall
2010 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Selby
2011 No. 1 Ranked Player: Austin Rivers
2012 No. 1 Ranked Player: Shabazz Muhammad
2013 No. 1 Ranked Player: Andrew Wiggins
2014 No. 1 Ranked Player: Jahlil Okafor
2015 No. 1 Ranked Player: Skal Labissiere
2016 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Jackson

2017 Marvin Bagley
2018 RJ Barrett

I had high hopes for Skal Labissiere...

Lol you could and should have kept that quiet.

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[moocow007]

Just saw this on RealGM GSW thread. Interesting that Edwards is starting to be questioned and may wind up dropping after all.


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Man, it could be that AntMan is dropping because he chose not to participate in the combine interviews. It could be he is similar to Dion Waiters because he hasn't won anything and forgets plays and actions per Jonathan Wasserman of B/R. Dion Waiters could now be his floor .

"... executives from different clubs are concerned about Edwards’ commitment to winning:

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven’t won at any level and that he even forgets plays and actions. Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC."

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/9/30/21494654/warriors-2020-nba-draft-conern-about-edwards

Wasserman previous had Anthony Edwards going #1 in his mock draft.

BTW, why isn't Onyeka Okongwu not mentioned by those who want a big man? It sounds to me Wiseman fans are basing it on strictly measurements.

"

Listen to this Edwards interview with Mike Schmitz all the way through. The notion that he's not bright and just ad libs should be quickly dismissed.

Folks need to stop just buying into everything they hear. All you need is one mouthpiece online to say something and everyone freaking buys into it hook line and sinker instead of actually doing some digging and watching yourself. It's a sign of a lazy weak mind.

Watch on YouTube

He's extremely sharp. He recognizes what he needs to do very quickly. Whether he will? Who knows, but it's not for lack of awareness or understanding.

If he falls' to 8 I'd cream my pants. Get him with Thibs (or a similar coach) and you can have one heck of a player. But, he won't, so my pants and drawers are safe.

In general, that's a fan piece. It's a fan writing an article with his opinion, not some expert. Most casual fans (and armchair experts) still think that Okongwu is a 6'9" center that just defends and dunks when, as I've said repeatedly, he's so much more than just that if folks actually take the time to watch him play and think. That's why.

Isn't that even worse? Knowing what you need to do but not doing it? I agree with you on Okongwu.

Hes a 19 year old kid thats been pampered his entire life. Just like most 1 and done top ranked guys that have been told they're the greatest. The ones that come out of HS already mature and fully baked with that talent don't grow on trees and pop up once or twice a decade.. That doesn't mean he's trash or he's doomed. Its easier to mature and grow up than it is to grow brain cells.

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[moocow007]

Just saw this on RealGM GSW thread. Interesting that Edwards is starting to be questioned and may wind up dropping after all.


___________________________________________________________________________________________________________
"
Man, it could be that AntMan is dropping because he chose not to participate in the combine interviews. It could be he is similar to Dion Waiters because he hasn't won anything and forgets plays and actions per Jonathan Wasserman of B/R. Dion Waiters could now be his floor .

"... executives from different clubs are concerned about Edwards’ commitment to winning:

Scouts and executives have mentioned that his teams haven’t won at any level and that he even forgets plays and actions. Despite media projections and upside that everyone acknowledges, he has a shaky reputation within NBA circles. Dion Waiters has been used by skeptics as a comparison or low-end outcome for Edwards, an inefficient scorer at Georgia whose Bulldogs finished 13 of 14 teams in the SEC."

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2020/9/30/21494654/warriors-2020-nba-draft-conern-about-edwards

Wasserman previous had Anthony Edwards going #1 in his mock draft.

BTW, why isn't Onyeka Okongwu not mentioned by those who want a big man? It sounds to me Wiseman fans are basing it on strictly measurements.

"

Listen to this Edwards interview with Mike Schmitz all the way through. The notion that he's not bright and just ad libs should be quickly dismissed.

Folks need to stop just buying into everything they hear. All you need is one mouthpiece online to say something and everyone freaking buys into it hook line and sinker instead of actually doing some digging and watching yourself. It's a sign of a lazy weak mind.

Watch on YouTube

He's extremely sharp. He recognizes what he needs to do very quickly. Whether he will? Who knows, but it's not for lack of awareness or understanding.

If he falls' to 8 I'd cream my pants. Get him with Thibs (or a similar coach) and you can have one heck of a player. But, he won't, so my pants and drawers are safe.

In general, that's a fan piece. It's a fan writing an article with his opinion, not some expert. Most casual fans (and armchair experts) still think that Okongwu is a 6'9" center that just defends and dunks when, as I've said repeatedly, he's so much more than just that if folks actually take the time to watch him play and think. That's why.

Teams might even be leaking on purpose to influence draft rankings and facilitate trades.

That said... my gosh, Anthony Edwards is an awful player! Low IQ! Definitely would not draft him if he was there at 8!

Based on what? My guess is that you were a huge Jarrett Culver fan? Some of you guys need to just stop.

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[Worst_to_First]

Imagine if we trade Mitch and 8 to the Warriors and they draft Okoro?

[DowNY]

Hypothetically, let’s say we trade Mitch, 8 and maybe a 2nd next year for 2 to draft LaMelo.

Would y’all be opposed to trading for CP3 still, even if they include Steven Adams ?
We’d have to trade Portis, Eliington, Payton (All 3 for salary purposes) and maybe DSJr with Knox and maybe a pick (idk, figure it out. Maybe the 27th or 2023 Mavs pick).

We sitting here with CP3 to guide LaMelo and Adams replacing Mitch. Still have main picks. Still have RJ & Frank. Just don’t have cap to sign anyone and the 2021 cap space murky (but we’ll still have 2 picks).

[3toheadmelo]

Are there stats for top ranked high school players who fell in draft status during their freshman year in college and how they did in the NBA? Its hard to remember who they were but it seems like they dont do so well. There's this article from 2016:

http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/columns/the-silver-fox/ten-year-history-of-top-ranked-rivals-basketball-players/

2007 No. 1 Ranked Player: Michael Beasley
2008 No. 1 Ranked Player: B.J. Mullens
2009 No. 1 Ranked Player: John Wall
2010 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Selby
2011 No. 1 Ranked Player: Austin Rivers
2012 No. 1 Ranked Player: Shabazz Muhammad
2013 No. 1 Ranked Player: Andrew Wiggins
2014 No. 1 Ranked Player: Jahlil Okafor
2015 No. 1 Ranked Player: Skal Labissiere
2016 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Jackson

2017 Marvin Bagley
2018 RJ Barrett

I had high hopes for Skal Labissiere...

Lol you could and should have kept that quiet.

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Lol I have no shame

[3toheadmelo]

Imagine if we trade Mitch and 8 to the Warriors and they draft Okoro?

[DaGawd]

Hypothetically, let’s say we trade Mitch, 8 and maybe a 2nd next year for 2 to draft LaMelo.

Would y’all be opposed to trading for CP3 still, even if they include Steven Adams ?
We’d have to trade Portis, Eliington, Payton (All 3 for salary purposes) and maybe DSJr with Knox and maybe a pick (idk, figure it out. Maybe the 27th or 2023 Mavs pick).

We sitting here with CP3 to guide LaMelo and Adams replacing Mitch. Still have main picks. Still have RJ & Frank. Just don’t have cap to sign anyone and the 2021 cap space murky (but we’ll still have 2 picks).

Drastic overpay on our end

[Deeeez Knicks]

Ricky G has some Uncomfortable Truths that some of you just close your ears to.

it appears ricky g also reads bleacher report - from earlier today

The Best Trade Offer Every NBA Lottery Team Could Hear on Draft Night

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2911979-the-best-trade-offer-every-nba-lottery-team-could-hear-on-draft-night

Golden State Warriors receive: Mitchell Robinson and No. 8 pick

New York Knicks receive: No. 2 pick

While ESPN's Tim Bontemps reported "unanimous" thinking around the Association that the Warriors will try to trade this pick, the market isn't breaking in the Dubs' favor. If this was supposed to be their ticket to a Bradley Beal, Ben Simmons or Giannis Antetokounmpo, those exchanges aren't happening.

Golden State could set its sights on a lower tier—optimistically a Jrue Holiday type, but realistically maybe Aaron Gordon—though that might be asking for trouble. Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are all on the wrong side of 30. The Splash Brothers just had their seasons wiped out by injuries, and Green could be tumbling down a steep decline. An outright pursuit of instant relief might be misguided.

Instead, it arguably makes the most sense to chase young talent and simply move down the draft board. If Ball makes it past No. 1 and the Knicks are desperate to have him, this is how the Warriors scratch both itches.

Mitchell Robinson immediately turbo-charges Golden State's frontcourt athleticism, providing both back-line protection on defense and aerial finishing on offense. The Knicks were a mess at point guard this season, and Robinson still finished in the 98th percentile of pick-and-roll screeners. He might be cheat-code dominant if he can play off Curry and Thompson.

By trading down in the draft, the Warriors can worry less about ceiling and more about polish. If the eighth pick nets them Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Vassell or Obi Toppin, they can comfortably expect that player to handle a regular role in next season's rotation.

And the Athletic from today when Hollinger and Vorkunov were negotiating hypothetical deals and talked about the same deal. Hollinger actually said it would be an overpay by the knicks and we should get an additional first round pick from the warriors... they were just tossing around deals hypothetically

Hollinger: Dropping off Robinson just to jump to No. 2 in a draft without a sure thing is an overpay on New York’s part.

[RHODEY]

Listen to this Edwards interview with Mike Schmitz all the way through. The notion that he's not bright and just ad libs should be quickly dismissed.

Folks need to stop just buying into everything they hear. All you need is one mouthpiece online to say something and everyone freaking buys into it hook line and sinker instead of actually doing some digging and watching yourself. It's a sign of a lazy weak mind.

Watch on YouTube

He's extremely sharp. He recognizes what he needs to do very quickly. Whether he will? Who knows, but it's not for lack of awareness or understanding.

If he falls' to 8 I'd cream my pants. Get him with Thibs (or a similar coach) and you can have one heck of a player. But, he won't, so my pants and drawers are safe.

In general, that's a fan piece. It's a fan writing an article with his opinion, not some expert. Most casual fans (and armchair experts) still think that Okongwu is a 6'9" center that just defends and dunks when, as I've said repeatedly, he's so much more than just that if folks actually take the time to watch him play and think. That's why.

Isn't that even worse? Knowing what you need to do but not doing it? I agree with you on Okongwu.

Hes a 19 year old kid thats been pampered his entire life. Just like most 1 and done top ranked guys that have been told they're the greatest. The ones that come out of HS already mature and fully baked with that talent don't grow on trees and pop up once or twice a decade.. That doesn't mean he's trash or he's doomed. Its easier to mature and grow up than it is to grow brain cells.

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sure ..just something I would take note of ....

[EMG518]

Are there stats for top ranked high school players who fell in draft status during their freshman year in college and how they did in the NBA? Its hard to remember who they were but it seems like they dont do so well. There's this article from 2016:

http://www.thesportsfanjournal.com/columns/the-silver-fox/ten-year-history-of-top-ranked-rivals-basketball-players/

2007 No. 1 Ranked Player: Michael Beasley
2008 No. 1 Ranked Player: B.J. Mullens
2009 No. 1 Ranked Player: John Wall
2010 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Selby
2011 No. 1 Ranked Player: Austin Rivers
2012 No. 1 Ranked Player: Shabazz Muhammad
2013 No. 1 Ranked Player: Andrew Wiggins
2014 No. 1 Ranked Player: Jahlil Okafor
2015 No. 1 Ranked Player: Skal Labissiere
2016 No. 1 Ranked Player: Josh Jackson

2017 Marvin Bagley
2018 RJ Barrett

Rivals is the worst judge of high school talent possibly ever. To miss that badly so many times is pretty crazy.

Maybe its misses so much because the journey from high school to the NBA is drastic.

247sports had Ben Simmons#1 Skal#2 in 2015. But they also had Mudiay #1 in 2014

100%, It is way easier evaluating talent after seeing them play in college but the guys they picked as the number 1 prospects, most of them are fringe rotation players or out of the league. Those were terrible choices.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Just b/c there wasn't a rim running C in the final 4 teams doesn't mean that they're invaluable. The Jazz are largely driven by Gobert's defense. Jazz are a damn good team, would have probably beaten the Nuggets had Bogdanovic been healthy

Maybe the Rockets would've had more success if they had kept CP3 and Capela? Westbrook was a weird fit from the beginning, and they definitely needed rebounding help b/c they got KILLED by the Lakers on the boards. You're pointing to the Rockets formula, but it didnt exactly work out for them

Mitch is a one of the few (and maybe only) positive impact players the Knicks had the last 2 seasons.

Are you a Wiseman supporter? because his shooting ability is a question mark just like Mitch's

Gobert has a max salary, he's due for a supermax as well, not making it to the final four is pretty much the point. You save that kind of money for centers that can create offense at an elite level, even Bam who is levels above Mitch is going to need a jumper to reach the next level. And because of Gobert's own lack of offense they had to play 4 perimeter players with him this year, they weren't even a top 10 defensive team as a result.


I don't really care if Mitch is an impact player on a bad team, rim runners shouldn't be getting $18 million per year. We have like a decade's worth of examples now, it's not exactly like we don't know how they're defended. I'm not pointing to the Rockets formula as a build to copy, I'm pointing out how they exposed Steven Adams, or how the Celtics made it to the ECF with their center making $5 million for the year, Bam is on a rookie deal, Dwight is on a vet deal etc etc.

I just can't understand how people don't see it, Wiseman is projected as being an offensive minded center, so yes I'd want him over Mitch. This is like talking about keeping an Ipod when the Iphone 4 was already out, where the league is going is pretty clear, and rim rolling centers are the running backs of the NBA.

I think Mitch's deal will be closer to Capela than Gobert, but all 3 are similar players in terms of rim protection and offensive efficiency.

Sure Adams had a bad playoff series, but conversely Gobert was great. it can go both ways

Wiseman is PROJECTED to be an offensive minded C, however, have we even seen him knock down 3's in games? it's a projection just like some are projecting Mitch will be able to shoot this season

of the 4 teams that made the conference finals, 2 of the Centers were offensive minded: Bam (great 2-way) and Jokic. both are excellent passers, something that Wiseman is not.

Average passer who shows questionable instincts

-ESPN https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

I don't want Mitch at a Capella number, no offensively limited C is worth more than $14 million, and even that is pushing it. Almost everyone who wants to keep Mitch long term has all these ideas that he'll become a good shooter, a good passer or a poor man's Giannis, because everyone deep down knows that if he stays a rim runner it's limiting.


Gobert was great? He's a 2x DPOY and the guy he was guarding averaged 26ppg on 48% FG, he got pulled from the basket and couldn't even take it to a bad defender on the other end. He had a good game 7, but saying he was great is a big stretch, especially when you consider how much he makes.

Wiseman has solid form on his shot, good hands, flashes a really nice turn around jumper, and is a good freethrow shooter. I bet he hits more jumpers in the first week of his career than Mitch makes all year too.

[stuporman]

If Melo is that transcendental generational player, one that is the engine of winning teams like LeBron, Kawai, Curry then yea, 8 and Mitch may in hindsight be worth it. Though, we don't know if his career is maybe only a little better than his brother then no it isn't worth it.

Is he a superstar or just a good to very good role player? What if he's a third best 'star' on a winning team, not the lead one? Who knows? If the Knicks have the chance to make that deal can the new FO risk the next few years on that experiment? Can they risk not doing it if there to do?

Balls and all of it may be a terrible move or a franchise making one.

Do you do it?