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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Post#101 » by Zenzibar » Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:39 am

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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Post#104 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:10 pm

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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Post#106 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:45 pm

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Yea, its 100% on Frank and he didnt work out. Knicks also didnt do any of the guys they drafted any favors though in those years.

Hopefully the new regimen can do a better job. Its more so a lessons learned. So far seems like we are doing better. I just want to see some of these guys we draft finally pan out here long term.
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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Post#107 » by Gravy » Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:48 pm

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And spare me w the Scott Perry defense. Within months of his arrival he signed 3 PGs and traded for another, none of whom are even getting a training camp deal atm. If you think he did anything but bury him without even giving him any chance from day 1 idk what to tell you.


This is the part I cant agree with. Frank got 20 minutes a game his first 3 years, was the only back up pg on the roster and started 55 games with the Knicks. Just because he never got the unearned luxury of 40 minutes of uninterrupted minutes every game does not mean he was "buried".

Is Mitch buried? He also started 55 games and averaged 22 minutes in 3 years. The narrative that Frank never got a chance needs to end, he got way more chances on the crappy Knicks than he would have got if he was on a decent team.

Two things can be true the Knicks were a bad org and Frank/Knox were awful players to draft.
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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Post#108 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:03 pm

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Frank's my boy but this sht's funny. :lol:


It hurt my feelings greatly
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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Post#109 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:10 pm

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And spare me w the Scott Perry defense. Within months of his arrival he signed 3 PGs and traded for another, none of whom are even getting a training camp deal atm. If you think he did anything but bury him without even giving him any chance from day 1 idk what to tell you.


This is the part I cant agree with. Frank got 20 minutes a game his first 3 years, was the only back up pg on the roster and started 55 games with the Knicks. Just because he never got the unearned luxury of 40 minutes of uninterrupted minutes every game does not mean he was "buried".

Is Mitch buried? He also started 55 games and averaged 22 minutes in 3 years. The narrative that Frank never got a chance needs to end, he got way more chances on the crappy Knicks than he would have got if he was on a decent team.

Two things can be true the Knicks were a bad org and Frank/Knox were awful players to draft.


Throw that stat in the garbage and look into heart. You watched the games. We spent too much time dicking around with Mudiay, Burke, Jarret Jack, DSJ trying to “win games” instead of developing Frank. There was never a consistent “plan” for developing him here, which probably should have included time in the G League. Four coaching staffs in 4 years. Cmon.
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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Post#110 » by Gravy » Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:44 pm

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And spare me w the Scott Perry defense. Within months of his arrival he signed 3 PGs and traded for another, none of whom are even getting a training camp deal atm. If you think he did anything but bury him without even giving him any chance from day 1 idk what to tell you.


This is the part I cant agree with. Frank got 20 minutes a game his first 3 years, was the only back up pg on the roster and started 55 games with the Knicks. Just because he never got the unearned luxury of 40 minutes of uninterrupted minutes every game does not mean he was "buried".

Is Mitch buried? He also started 55 games and averaged 22 minutes in 3 years. The narrative that Frank never got a chance needs to end, he got way more chances on the crappy Knicks than he would have got if he was on a decent team.

Two things can be true the Knicks were a bad org and Frank/Knox were awful players to draft.


Throw that stat in the garbage and look into heart. You watched the games. We spent too much time dicking around with Mudiay, Burke, Jarret Jack, DSJ trying to “win games” instead of developing Frank. There was never a consistent “plan” for developing him here, which probably should have included time in the G League. Four coaching staffs in 4 years. Cmon.

They dont really send anyone to the G league, they never sent Obi and they are high on him.

What more did you want them to do to develop Frank?
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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Post#111 » by Deeeez Knicks » Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:48 pm

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And spare me w the Scott Perry defense. Within months of his arrival he signed 3 PGs and traded for another, none of whom are even getting a training camp deal atm. If you think he did anything but bury him without even giving him any chance from day 1 idk what to tell you.


This is the part I cant agree with. Frank got 20 minutes a game his first 3 years, was the only back up pg on the roster and started 55 games with the Knicks. Just because he never got the unearned luxury of 40 minutes of uninterrupted minutes every game does not mean he was "buried".

Is Mitch buried? He also started 55 games and averaged 22 minutes in 3 years. The narrative that Frank never got a chance needs to end, he got way more chances on the crappy Knicks than he would have got if he was on a decent team.

Two things can be true the Knicks were a bad org and Frank/Knox were awful players to draft.


Knicks were bad and Frank/Knox were bad picks. I didnt even like those picks at the time. But Fizdale was also a horrible coach. People really want to defend Fiz just to take another shot at Frank?

Fiz didnt put players in a good position. Not sure how people can argue that one. A lot of players looked worse and the team was a mess. Does that mean that Frank is a great player and its all Fizdale's fault? No. Frank probably still wouldnt pan out but he just was not in the right spot like many other Knicks during those times...even Mitch was basically just relying on his physical gifts and didnt develop a lot.
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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Post#112 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:08 pm

Well, at least we got Mudiay right
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Re: OT: Frank Ntilikina to the mavs!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Post#113 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:15 pm

It is what it is with frank. Good luck to him in Dallas
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Post#114 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:26 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:It is what it is with frank. Good luck to him in Dallas


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Post#115 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:35 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:It is what it is with frank. Good luck to him in Dallas


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Tbh it’s pretty tiring arguing about who’s fault it was for frank sucking. I’m over it. Even for my guy DSJ who was trash too.

Just glad we got Grimes and Deuce. Hopefully they turn out better than them
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Post#116 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:43 pm

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This is the part I cant agree with. Frank got 20 minutes a game his first 3 years, was the only back up pg on the roster and started 55 games with the Knicks. Just because he never got the unearned luxury of 40 minutes of uninterrupted minutes every game does not mean he was "buried".

Is Mitch buried? He also started 55 games and averaged 22 minutes in 3 years. The narrative that Frank never got a chance needs to end, he got way more chances on the crappy Knicks than he would have got if he was on a decent team.

Two things can be true the Knicks were a bad org and Frank/Knox were awful players to draft.


Throw that stat in the garbage and look into heart. You watched the games. We spent too much time dicking around with Mudiay, Burke, Jarret Jack, DSJ trying to “win games” instead of developing Frank. There was never a consistent “plan” for developing him here, which probably should have included time in the G League. Four coaching staffs in 4 years. Cmon.

They dont really send anyone to the G league, they never sent Obi and they are high on him.

What more did you want them to do to develop Frank?


Short of the G League, they could’ve just let him play over those other clowns. We weren’t winning with them so why not give those minutes to our lottery pick? We could’ve also had a stable coaching staff and front office that had a consistent plan for developing him. Every year a new coaching staff comes in with a different coaching philosophy, etc. Of course, Frank’s health played a great role as well.who is responsible for that?
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Post#117 » by moocow007 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:48 pm

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Yeah pretty much.
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Post#118 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:49 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:It is what it is with frank. Good luck to him in Dallas


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Tbh it’s pretty tiring arguing about who’s fault it was for frank sucking. I’m over it. Even for my guy DSJ who was trash too.

Just glad we got Grimes and Deuce. Hopefully they turn out better than them


Our rookie crop looks bountiful. Our drafting skills are greatly improved as is our coaching staff, all of which is something to be glad for. Our glass is no longer half empty.
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Post#119 » by moocow007 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:52 pm

On Mudiay, Frank and the whole playing time needed for development thing...

Mudiay was 21 when the Knicks traded for him. That is 2 years younger than Frank is right now and at about the same age that you guys are implying are critical development years for young players. So...I'm not getting the argument that giving minutes to Mudiay being an example of the Knicks not trying to develop young players by giving them playing time. Maybe the Knicks view was that Frank just wasn't worth investing in and that in part is why they traded for Mudiay and attempted to give him the playing time that some are saying should have gone to Frank. Mudiay wasn't some veteran hired gun. Just want to make sure folk realize that.
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Post#120 » by Gravy » Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:02 pm

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Throw that stat in the garbage and look into heart. You watched the games. We spent too much time dicking around with Mudiay, Burke, Jarret Jack, DSJ trying to “win games” instead of developing Frank. There was never a consistent “plan” for developing him here, which probably should have included time in the G League. Four coaching staffs in 4 years. Cmon.

They dont really send anyone to the G league, they never sent Obi and they are high on him.

What more did you want them to do to develop Frank?


Short of the G League, they could’ve just let him play over those other clowns. We weren’t winning with them so why not give those minutes to our lottery pick? We could’ve also had a stable coaching staff and front office that had a consistent plan for developing him. Every year a new coaching staff comes in with a different coaching philosophy, etc. Of course, Frank’s health played a great role as well.who is responsible for that?

If you want to blame everyone except Frank for not being able to score more than 6 points in 21 minutes I dont know what else to say...

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