Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[Jeff Van Gully]

I hope the deal is dead. Let's go into next season seeing what we have. I think with Brunson and overall improvement from the young players, and a bounce-back season from Randle (he probably will be better than last season...), I think that we're a playoff team.

The only thing that keeps us out of the playoffs is Wandle. Not putting it past him though

FIFY

[mpharris36]

There is no way the Knicks were 'close' to a deal that sends 4 young players and 6 picks out, I don't believe it, that's a Jazz leak to a Jazz reporter trying to give the Jazz more leverage and/or make Rose look weak in negotiating.

Call BS

I think its kinda close

If the jazz were willing to swap out Cam for Obi/IQ I think the deal is done.

Cam/Grimes/Mcbride (salar filler) + 6 1st rounders I think is the middle ground.

[Clyde_Style]

I hope the deal is dead. Let's go into next season seeing what we have. I think with Brunson and overall improvement from the young players, and a bounce-back season from Randle (he probably will be better than last season...), I think that we're a playoff team.

The only thing that keeps us out of the playoffs is Wandle. Not putting it past him though

FIFY

Wandle is partly up to Thibs tho, don't you think?

If accountability is going to happen with this club, its going to start with Randle this year

[F N 11]

There is no way the Knicks were 'close' to a deal that sends 4 young players and 6 picks out, I don't believe it, that's a Jazz leak to a Jazz reporter trying to give the Jazz more leverage and/or make Rose look weak in negotiating.

Call BS

I think its kinda close

If the jazz were willing to swap out Cam for Obi/IQ I think the deal is done.

Cam/Grimes/Mcbride (salar filler) + 6 1st rounders I think is the middle ground.

They want rookie scale contracts not people they have to extend.

[Jeff Van Gully]

i don't usually dignify rumors with response. but that offer couldn't been real, musta started smokin' rocks. it all fell down cuz he was bitin' too much...

[mpharris36]

There is no way the Knicks were 'close' to a deal that sends 4 young players and 6 picks out, I don't believe it, that's a Jazz leak to a Jazz reporter trying to give the Jazz more leverage and/or make Rose look weak in negotiating.

Call BS

I think its kinda close

If the jazz were willing to swap out Cam for Obi/IQ I think the deal is done.

Cam/Grimes/Mcbride (salar filler) + 6 1st rounders I think is the middle ground.

They want rookie scale contracts not people they have to extend.

they most of all wants 6 1st round picks...you have to call there bluff to walk away from 6 1st round picks and Grimes

[mpharris36]

i don't usually dignify rumors with response. but that offer couldn't been real, musta started smokin' rocks. it all fell down cuz he was bitin' too much...

the only reason it could be is Ainge is a certified nut job...he is known to only do deals that he destroys the other team in.

[K_ick_God]

Amended offer: McBride, Randle and one pick protected 1-10.

[AusKnicksTape]

where does ainge go from here (there is no other team that can come close to that package)...talks aren't dead but sometimes you have to walk away to get the price to be lower.

I would give them Grimes, IQ, McBride + the picks if I can hold onto Obi.

Figure they're more open to trading Obi if keeping Randle though.

[DowNY]

There is no way the Knicks were 'close' to a deal that sends 4 young players and 6 picks out, I don't believe it, that's a Jazz leak to a Jazz reporter trying to give the Jazz more leverage and/or make Rose look weak in negotiating.

Call BS

I think its kinda close

If the jazz were willing to swap out Cam for Obi/IQ I think the deal is done.

Cam/Grimes/Mcbride (salar filler) + 6 1st rounders I think is the middle ground.

They want rookie scale contracts not people they have to extend.

At this point, Cam’s extension might still be rookie scale lol

[Jeff Van Gully]

I think its kinda close

If the jazz were willing to swap out Cam for Obi/IQ I think the deal is done.

Cam/Grimes/Mcbride (salar filler) + 6 1st rounders I think is the middle ground.

They want rookie scale contracts not people they have to extend.

they most of all wants 6 1st round picks...you have to call there bluff to walk away from 6 1st round picks and Grimes

this is as far as i can go. you can have all the picks and ONE young guy who ain't RJ or obi. RJ doesn't make financial sense for utah (sorry, DaGawd). gotta keep obi. you pick ONE from the rest -- especially if you're talking grimes. i might let you slide with quickley and deuce. MAYBE. take the picks and cap or leave it.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I think its kinda close

If the jazz were willing to swap out Cam for Obi/IQ I think the deal is done.

Cam/Grimes/Mcbride (salar filler) + 6 1st rounders I think is the middle ground.

They want rookie scale contracts not people they have to extend.

At this point, Cam’s extension might still be rookie scale lol

yikes

[Jeff Van Gully]

where does ainge go from here (there is no other team that can come close to that package)...talks aren't dead but sometimes you have to walk away to get the price to be lower.

I would give them Grimes, IQ, McBride + the picks if I can hold onto Obi.

Figure they're more open to trading Obi if keeping Randle though.

there's that. we get good randle from now on, trading obi makes sense as much as i love him.

[N Y K]

I’d fight Danny Ainge just for even asking for that if I were Leon.

[DowNY]

Watch on YouTube

[AusKnicksTape]

Realistically how do the front office see this starting 5 play out? Usage/roles etc. Assuming Mitchell comes and RJ/Randle stay.

Do they force Randle to change his game? How would they rank the usage of the starting 5?

1. Spida?
2. Brunson
3. Randle
4. RJ?

That would destroy RJ's development.

Brunson is just the stable PG we lacked. No way is he above RJ or Randle.

Donovan
RJ (if he keeps developing as we hope)
Randle
Brunson

But what does that turn Brunson into? He's hardly signed on to carry the ball up to half way hand it off and let the others get theirs.

[mpharris36]

They want rookie scale contracts not people they have to extend.

they most of all wants 6 1st round picks...you have to call there bluff to walk away from 6 1st round picks and Grimes

this is as far as i can go. you can have all the picks and ONE young guy who ain't RJ or obi. RJ doesn't make financial sense for utah (sorry, DaGawd). gotta keep obi. you pick ONE from the rest -- especially if you're talking grimes. i might let you slide with quickley and deuce. MAYBE. take the picks and cap or leave it.

I don't even consider mcbride a must keep. Grimes and McBride can go.

But not Grimes + IQ.

Again if Ainge walks away from something like Grimes/McBride/Cam + 6 1st rounders and risks Donovan and his agent getting disgruntled and **** up his tank then Ainge can go f*ck himself.

I assume most of those 6 1st rounders are our own unprotected picks too.

[stuporman]

There is no way the Knicks were 'close' to a deal that sends 4 young players and 6 picks out, I don't believe it, that's a Jazz leak to a Jazz reporter trying to give the Jazz more leverage and/or make Rose look weak in negotiating.

Call BS

I think its kinda close

If the jazz were willing to swap out Cam for Obi/IQ I think the deal is done.

Cam/Grimes/Mcbride (salar filler) + 6 1st rounders I think is the middle ground.

I don't think it was all that close, it smells like BS leak trying to gain some advantage.

The only thing that would make sense and I'll consider credible is if they had it to that package you mentioned and the Knicks didn't want to include Grimes hoping to get the picks down to 5 and/or eliminate any swaps that might be floated with him in it.

I do not see Rose caving so bad but I can see Dolan stepping in and forcing him to get it done the way he did with Melo.

If it goes down it will be interesting to see who is this trade's Landry Fields and who is this trade's Mozgov?

[AusKnicksTape]

I would give them Grimes, IQ, McBride + the picks if I can hold onto Obi.

Figure they're more open to trading Obi if keeping Randle though.

there's that. we get good randle from now on, trading obi makes sense as much as i love him.

I don't think we will get good Randle and i'd much rather have Obi but I figure that's where the FO will go with it.

[Wildcat]

6 picks, plus our young guys? I can see the **** storm a mile a way. There's being savvy and being a **** bag. Danny is a **** bag.