PG: Knicks fall short in loss to Celts

[dakomish23]

did you know last year he shot 8.3 3pt attempts per game? This is kinda what he does

I would say he needs to just keep shooting back into form again. Can’t pass up open looks especially when other players are passing them up out there

What makes you think I was ok with it last year either? He’s forcing a lot of these 3s. Open looks off ball movement, no one is complaining about.

This is not what he does or even kinda does. Did you know that was a career high by 3 attempts????

in relation to the entirety of last season it wasn’t out of the ordinary and things went pretty well last year

I refuse to settle for pretty well when the way better path is so obvious. Especially from a player I know can be 10x better than that. Maybe if we didn’t ever see it I would settle for it, but we have, so I won’t

[KnixtapeH20]

Gallinari is my target. Bring him home!

The Wizards have no use for him if they're just gonna be the worse team in the league this season

He'd fit perfectly with the Knicks

One of my favorite Knicks during that stretch, just didn't last long enough... I was at that home game right before we made the trade.... HUGE win by our youth, Gallo had a big game....

This game???

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Nah def wasn't against Miami, I forget who but not a big time opponent. I just remember it was either the game before "I'm coming home" or a couple can't remember exactly but the youth was youthing.... was a fun game, fun win

[KnixtapeH20]

What makes you think I was ok with it last year either? He’s forcing a lot of these 3s. Open looks off ball movement, no one is complaining about.

This is not what he does or even kinda does. Did you know that was a career high by 3 attempts????

in relation to the entirety of last season it wasn’t out of the ordinary and things went pretty well last year

I refuse to settle for pretty well when the way better path is so obvious. Especially from a player I know can be 10x better than that. Maybe if we didn’t ever see it I would settle for it, but we have, so I won’t

If u put RJ's heart, will, temperament, DOG inside of Randle... pause.. you'd have a STAR.

instead... it's time. for Randle to step aside so RJ can lead us

[K_ick_God]

What makes you think I was ok with it last year either? He’s forcing a lot of these 3s. Open looks off ball movement, no one is complaining about.

This is not what he does or even kinda does. Did you know that was a career high by 3 attempts????

in relation to the entirety of last season it wasn’t out of the ordinary and things went pretty well last year

I refuse to settle for pretty well when the way better path is so obvious. Especially from a player I know can be 10x better than that. Maybe if we didn’t ever see it I would settle for it, but we have, so I won’t

Randle? This is his level. Not every one can be great, and his weaknesses are not really fixable.

[K_ick_God]

1-10 with 1 assist

The difference between good players and guys who don’t quite make it to par is just not having more than a rare crap game

[Clyde_Style]

in relation to the entirety of last season it wasn’t out of the ordinary and things went pretty well last year

I refuse to settle for pretty well when the way better path is so obvious. Especially from a player I know can be 10x better than that. Maybe if we didn’t ever see it I would settle for it, but we have, so I won’t

Randle? This is his level. Not every one can be great, and his weaknesses are not really fixable.

When he beat Jrue and Jrue recovered by swatting the ball from Randle on his way up, Randle lost his damn mind in one second. Again. That's what happens with this cat. He just snaps. He proceeded to walk up the court bitching about no foul call while the Celtics motored upcourt and scored easily.

That's when I muttered what I do very game: Oh crap, here we go again

He's not going to change

[The Vo Show]

Thus far this season the team has only had creativity and versatility when RJ has played. His absence was glaring tonight.

For all the issues of having both RJ and Randle in the same starting line-up, RJ's ball handling and generalship has taken the ball out of Randle's hands enough to make Randle play within his personal limits.

However, tonight we saw what happens when Randle becomes the first or second player in usage terms: it doesn't work for the team as a whole. In the second half, his decision making devolved rapidly and by the fourth he was glitching, fumbling and finally giving up shots because he was so out of the flow of the game by that point.

In the first half, he was relatively in control of himself. But it is pretty clear this team is going to be better when it leverages Randle's scoring abilities as a secondary scorer, not a primary one. He can easily score as many points if relegated to moving off the ball and being delivered the rock with a play in motion.

Put Randle consistently at the top of the key on a clearout with ISO moves for the majority of the game and he will melt down by the end of most games. As good as regular season Randle was last year, he was also BAD in the fourth quarter the majority of last year. Hot start Randle was very much a first half player for a reason. His faculties cloud over as the game progresses.

You must limit the decision making responsibilities of Randle in the second half of games. With RJ on the floor, this issue is heavily mitigated and Randle can still get good looks, but with less stress.

Excellent points. We saw how good (even dominant) Randle can be. There were stretches in the 1st half were he was dominating...But as you mentioned it was only a matter of time when Randle would be forced into a position where he is not comfortable.

There is a reason why Randle tentatively takes the ball down the court when he could sprint...he knows his handle isn't tight and that he's prone to coughing the ball up. You can see it on his face.

This is why RJ breaking out was something that HAD to happen to save us....thank god its happening!

These are great points. I really don't like Randle with the bench crew. They all just defer to him and then he's forced into the role of shot creator/initiator when he's really not comfortable doing that on a full time basis. Hes perfectly fine doing that a possession here and there but not for a 3-4 minute stretch.

Both Randle and Brunson really benefit from the other. You can see that same issue almost with Brunson with the bench unit, where the other guys just hand him the ball and he goes to work and the rest stand around (he's just more successful at it than Randle). When RJ is injured, we really should free Fournier. They won't defer to him and he can play within a flow of the offense with that unit.

If Randle gets injured, we are really screwed. There isn't anyone on the team to replace him. All these trade proposals for PG, Zion, KAT, they ignore the fact that the team as currently constructed has no Randle replacements.

[Synciere]

We fell short because we're too short.

I REALLY don't understand the stupid decision of not getting legit size in the off-season. And to top it off, we also have so much redundancy on our team. We literally didn't have a wing all game today as Hart is really a guard masquerading as one.

Not sure a big wing or backup 4 they liked was available.

[Jeffrey]

I'm at my end with Thibs folks... on a back-to-back and your best player this season is hurt.. what would any sane coach do? Use your fcking bench.

[dakomish23]

in relation to the entirety of last season it wasn’t out of the ordinary and things went pretty well last year

I refuse to settle for pretty well when the way better path is so obvious. Especially from a player I know can be 10x better than that. Maybe if we didn’t ever see it I would settle for it, but we have, so I won’t

Randle? This is his level. Not every one can be great, and his weaknesses are not really fixable.

Go look up Randle game 5 vs CLE and get back to me

[Synciere]

A lot of complaining about this game, but without RJ we competed hard. Randle still not shooting well but he was on point in that first half. He also does his share on the boards, and is currently leading our team in assists. KP is one of the few bigs who can score on Money Mitch, and they had a big advantage on the wing, especially without RJ. IQ had a bad game too, but that’s not always going to happen, and he’s historically played well against this team.

We played well against a better team. Defense was there most of the night. Solid performance honestly.

[HarthorneWingo]

We fell short because we're too short.

Correct. We need a 3/4 swingman off the bench. PJ Washington might've been perfect for that role. But that would've meant not signing Donte. I just feel that Donte and Josh are redundant.

[DaGawd]

I'm at my end with Thibs folks... on a back-to-back and your best player this season is hurt.. what would any sane coach do? Use your fcking bench.

um he did?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

In 2 games Kristaps is absolutely killing us with his rim protection, we are shooting 6.7% against him <6ft of the rim, the expected FG% is 56.8% a -50.1 difference Mitch on the other hand has had his rim protection utterly neutered because he has to guard the big Latvian outside, they are shooting 84.6% <6ft against him, they typically shoot 73.2%, a 11% difference.

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That block encapsulates the night, he roams on defense and disrupts what we do, he limits our drives because he gets to play free safety. The worst part is he makes us pay on the other end, you cannot seriously believe you can win against a team when the matchup is 25.5ppg, 7rpg, 2.5bpg 58% FG 53% 3pt vs 3ppg, 6rpg and 1bpg, and then to act like that lopsided matchup isn't part of the problem is mind blowing, especially since he's losing the rebounding battle, the thing he's supposed to win.

Keep lying to yourselves about this, 108.7 ORTG against the Celtics, we're playing 4 on 5 when he's out there against them on offense. That will continue to happen against good teams with bigs that can take him out the paint and keep him off the glass. Y'all ain't serious about wanting to be contenders with a garbage man at C that shoots 40% from the line. Oh but he dominates other garbage men!!!!! Please, top of the East has talented bigs, one of them already claimed his scalp (Bam).

[RHODEY]

In 2 games Kristaps is absolutely killing us with his rim protection, we are shooting 6.7% against him <6ft of the rim, the expected FG% is 56.8% a -50.1 difference Mitch on the other hand has had his rim protection utterly neutered because he has to guard the big Latvian outside, they are shooting 84.6% <6ft against him, they typically shoot 73.2%, a 11% difference.

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That block encapsulates the night, he roams on defense and disrupts what we do, he limits our drives because he gets to play free safety. The worst part is he makes us pay on the other end, you cannot seriously believe you can win against a team when the matchup is 25.5ppg, 7rpg, 2.5bpg 58% FG 53% 3pt vs 3ppg, 6rpg and 1bpg, and then to act like that lopsided matchup isn't part of the problem is mind blowing, especially since he's losing the rebounding battle, the thing he's supposed to win.

Keep lying to yourselves about this, 108.7 ORTG against the Celtics, we're playing 4 on 5 when he's out there against them on offense. That will continue to happen against good teams with bigs that can take him out the paint and keep him off the glass. Y'all ain't serious about wanting to be contenders with a garbage man at C that shoots 40% from the line. Oh but he dominates other garbage men!!!!! Please, top of the East has talented bigs, one of them already claimed his scalp (Bam).

DPOY candidate leading league in offensive rebounding is just a garbage man? Really? Single-handedly dismantled the DPOY front court of the Cavs in the playoffs...are you trolling?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

In 2 games Kristaps is absolutely killing us with his rim protection, we are shooting 6.7% against him <6ft of the rim, the expected FG% is 56.8% a -50.1 difference Mitch on the other hand has had his rim protection utterly neutered because he has to guard the big Latvian outside, they are shooting 84.6% <6ft against him, they typically shoot 73.2%, a 11% difference.

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That block encapsulates the night, he roams on defense and disrupts what we do, he limits our drives because he gets to play free safety. The worst part is he makes us pay on the other end, you cannot seriously believe you can win against a team when the matchup is 25.5ppg, 7rpg, 2.5bpg 58% FG 53% 3pt vs 3ppg, 6rpg and 1bpg, and then to act like that lopsided matchup isn't part of the problem is mind blowing, especially since he's losing the rebounding battle, the thing he's supposed to win.

Keep lying to yourselves about this, 108.7 ORTG against the Celtics, we're playing 4 on 5 when he's out there against them on offense. That will continue to happen against good teams with bigs that can take him out the paint and keep him off the glass. Y'all ain't serious about wanting to be contenders with a garbage man at C that shoots 40% from the line. Oh but he dominates other garbage men!!!!! Please, top of the East has talented bigs, one of them already claimed his scalp (Bam).

DPOY candidate leading league in offensive rebounding is just a garbage man? Really? Single-handedly dismantled the DPOY front court of the Cavs in the playoffs...are you trolling?

Yes.

Was DeAndre Jordan not a garbage man when he finished 3rd in DPOY and lead the league in rebounds? He averaged 11.5ppg, 15rpg and 2.2bpg that year, he was still just a garbage man, now imagine what a guy that's averaging 6ppg and 11rpg is that somehow shoots worse from the line that DeAndre. Still with the Cavs stuff? Two other weak garbage men, proving my point now what happened against Bam? How exactly do you think a series against Kristaps would go? What about Embiid? We know what happened with Bam. Do we just hope we face other garbage men and that's it?

[8516knicks]

Interesting you bring up that Clipper team. They seem a pretty good comp to our current Knicks.

Their best player was a top point guard (Paul vs. Brunson), they had a pretty good all-star forward (Blake Griffin vs Randle), a pretty good “garbageman center” (DeAndre Jordan vs. Mitch), another good player (Billups vs. RJ) and a decent bench/starter Villanovan (Foye vs. Hart). Also a WHO? guy (Who? vs. Grimes).

They got close but never could make that final leap. (but like with Brunson, DeAndre pissed off Mark Cuban on almost signing again)

But still that Clips team was better than their current All Star NAMES team. So be careful what u wish for – adding a NAME or two isn’t always the answer. Toronto Kawhi was/is not Clippers Kawhi. And for that matter wasn’t Spurs Kawhi either .
But sure would be nice to have a two-way center even if he were slightly (not majorly) less impactful on D.

But that probably also goes nowhere without a new Coach. I’m still happy about playoffs after a 2 decade drought.

[knicks94]

Isn't it great to have a top 3 player who could score 30 plus points on any given night and carry your team to the finals? The Knicks haven't had that luxury in almost 30 years.

[god shammgod]

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this is the sad reality. so unfortunately adding myles turner won't make us a contender

[duetta]

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this is the sad reality. so unfortunately adding myles turner won't make us a contender

Maxey over Mitchell!