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I don't think there is a single star making 23 million. No, Kuzma doesn't count.

Thanks for the explanation. IF you are correct, and I think this tracks with what dougbad (ruins vibes) and that pesky raptor fan always bringing in cap reality and bad feelings, then there is no way to execute a star trade, period, unless a team is trading another star.

Because, immediately, that team would be at the 2nd apron and face punitive measures.

I guess there is a scenario where a star player could go to a team under the cap, but that's it. They'd have to be way under, in effect being traded into cap space.

Like, pretend Batum isn't a FA. Batum gets traded for Paul George. Each team would be under the cap. The 76ers before the move, the Clippers after. (not that it matters)



Interesting side effect of this trade:
Teams like the Knicks, etc, just not quite elite enough, but wanting to get better, are basically screwed, since they'd face, what, 2 years of restrictions if they go 2nd apron?

Sh*tty rebuilding teams could still operate the old way, as long as they were under the cap.

But, wouldn't it make it almost easier for a dynasty team to make big trades?

Let's say Giannis is available. (Ignore the basketball philosophy parts for now). Why wouldn't the Celtics aggregate KP and Horford for Giannis - pretend the Celts are offering 5 picks, some not their own. They've already won a chip. Their core 2/3 (Brown/Tatum/White) is young, they could load up for another 3 - 5 years, why not, who cares about a few years of 2nd apron punishment?

Meanwhile, every other team trying to get better than a conference finals, minus OKC, kind of handcuffed, because any move they make that triggers the 2nd apron will be the move of any significance they make for 2 years, if I understand this part of the CBA correctly.

Those cusp contenders will have to be EXTREMELY cautious and sure about any larger trades. Meanwhile a team that is prime contender can make moves with more impunity.


I don't know. There might be an unintended consequence to this trade that promotes dynasties. Then again, that's what the NBA always wants.  

Second apron teams can't aggregate.

Are they 2nd apron already?

Or, the trade would make them a 2nd apron team, and it can't go through?

Celtics are firmly committed to the second apron. Just assume they pay Tatum and they don't gut the roster, and they're in second apron territory for the foreseeable future. I'm not sure whether the top six guys alone technically put them over or not -- but realistically, we can take it as a lock that they're in that range.

[Richard4444]

I don't think there is a single star making 23 million. No, Kuzma doesn't count.

Thanks for the explanation. IF you are correct, and I think this tracks with what dougbad (ruins vibes) and that pesky raptor fan always bringing in cap reality and bad feelings, then there is no way to execute a star trade, period, unless a team is trading another star.

Because, immediately, that team would be at the 2nd apron and face punitive measures.

I guess there is a scenario where a star player could go to a team under the cap, but that's it. They'd have to be way under, in effect being traded into cap space.

Like, pretend Batum isn't a FA. Batum gets traded for Paul George. Each team would be under the cap. The 76ers before the move, the Clippers after. (not that it matters)



Interesting side effect of this trade:
Teams like the Knicks, etc, just not quite elite enough, but wanting to get better, are basically screwed, since they'd face, what, 2 years of restrictions if they go 2nd apron?

Sh*tty rebuilding teams could still operate the old way, as long as they were under the cap.

But, wouldn't it make it almost easier for a dynasty team to make big trades?

Let's say Giannis is available. (Ignore the basketball philosophy parts for now). Why wouldn't the Celtics aggregate KP and Horford for Giannis - pretend the Celts are offering 5 picks, some not their own. They've already won a chip. Their core 2/3 (Brown/Tatum/White) is young, they could load up for another 3 - 5 years, why not, who cares about a few years of 2nd apron punishment?

Meanwhile, every other team trying to get better than a conference finals, minus OKC, kind of handcuffed, because any move they make that triggers the 2nd apron will be the move of any significance they make for 2 years, if I understand this part of the CBA correctly.

Those cusp contenders will have to be EXTREMELY cautious and sure about any larger trades. Meanwhile a team that is prime contender can make moves with more impunity.


I don't know. There might be an unintended consequence to this trade that promotes dynasties. Then again, that's what the NBA always wants.  

Second apron teams can't aggregate.

Are they 2nd apron already?

Or, the trade would make them a 2nd apron team, and it can't go through?

If we aggregated, you become hard-capped.

[Richard4444]

Now one responding to my treatise? *sad feelings*

Sure. Your trade for Avidja was comical...let that one go. That same package for Kuzma would probably work, although the Tyus S&T part of it would have to be scrapped since he's technically a FA.

I think Robinson is neutral value at best coming off that injury. He's making pennies so it's begs the question as to why the Knicks would even consider trading him unless he's damaged goods, which I think is a distinct possibility.

The treatise in no way was about Kuzma.

The only reason I mentioned Avidja is that another poster thought the Knicks were interested, so, if the Knicks were looking to move Mitch, tried to see a way it would fit. For the record, I wouldn't think the Wiz are looking to move a young, versatile wing while they are rebuilding, and have said so in several other locations on here.

I guess the Knicks could get Kuzma, though it seems a bit dumb if Randle never plays C, since there are plenty of backup 4 minutes for OG and Hart, who Thibs seems to like to try and get into the lineup wherever he can.

I thought a FA like Tyus could be signed by his team and then traded, but I wasn't sure. Not that I'd be an advocate of trading big for small, even if the NBA is different now, and even though the Knicks could use a backup PG (sorry Deuce)

The treatise was about the fact that if teams can't combine salaries or immediate get the "2nd apron" penalty, then the only teams I'd think that would risk it are teams already deep chip contenders, probably even having already won one.
Because if a team feels it's on the cusp, would they really make a move, even a big one, where they are pretty handcuffed for another 2 years?

I think the new CBA cuts down on the super team, 3 stars thing for most teams, but the truly elite teams will still do it, because why not?

1) If we are receiving a FA player in a sign-and-trade deal like Tyus, we get hard-capped in the first apron.

2) Teams have ways to operate if they hit the second apron. They can trade a player for a better player at a lower salary. Or they can dump contracts to avoid being on second apron.

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The treatise in no way was about Kuzma.

The only reason I mentioned Avidja is that another poster thought the Knicks were interested, so, if the Knicks were looking to move Mitch, tried to see a way it would fit. For the record, I wouldn't think the Wiz are looking to move a young, versatile wing while they are rebuilding, and have said so in several other locations on here.

I guess the Knicks could get Kuzma, though it seems a bit dumb if Randle never plays C, since there are plenty of backup 4 minutes for OG and Hart, who Thibs seems to like to try and get into the lineup wherever he can.

I thought a FA like Tyus could be signed by his team and then traded, but I wasn't sure. Not that I'd be an advocate of trading big for small, even if the NBA is different now, and even though the Knicks could use a backup PG (sorry Deuce)

The treatise was about the fact that if teams can't combine salaries or immediate get the "2nd apron" penalty, then the only teams I'd think that would risk it are teams already deep chip contenders, probably even having already won one.
Because if a team feels it's on the cusp, would they really make a move, even a big one, where they are pretty handcuffed for another 2 years?

I think the new CBA cuts down on the super team, 3 stars thing for most teams, but the truly elite teams will still do it, because why not?

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OK, I'll respond.

Washington wants their pick back 2025 #1, top 10 protected. This one is huge! There may be possibilities that Washington will tank this year and avoid the Knicks having even a chance at a top 15 pick.

The Knicks are not giving them Mitch, that great pick and another pick for just Kuzma and Tyus. We have Deuce as the backup point guard, who is getting better. Also Kuzma will not push Donte to the bench as he shot only 33% from 3, compared to 40.1% for the big Ragu. Kuzma makes $23m plus per and signed for 3 more years and not salary friendly.

They have Daniel Gafford at center and doubt he's coming back here in a trade. He makes what Mitch makes and therefore will not provide any salary relief.

But I can be wrong.

The Wizard will have to at least swap next year's pick for a future and better positioned #1.

Gafford was traded to the Mavs

My main point is that the new CBA will discourage all but the top teams from trading for stars.

Even that might be overstated. It sure as sh*t made player movement more difficult. Interesting that the players association was ok with it.

LOL, that shows you that I couldn't care less about the Finals.

The one good thing about creating a Big 3, is that players were willing to take less to win a chip, now for the most part is, get the most you can get and fk the team cap.

Hopefully, teams will go back to valuing the draft picks, because recently they have become as valuable as an expensive 8 track player.

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There is some truth to it. Out of the first 6 seasons, 4 have been relatively ok---he played on average about 65 out of 82 games. However, playing more than half the games is not exactly the definition of "not being always injured".....I really hope he has something cooking up--I think we all would love to see a healthy Mitch for years to come, although I do personally feel his complete lack of any offensive skill (including Free throws) still puts a limitation on him and the team.

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There is some truth to it. Out of the first 6 seasons, 4 have been relatively ok---he played on average about 65 out of 82 games. However, playing more than half the games is not exactly the definition of "not being always injured".....I really hope he has something cooking up--I think we all would love to see a healthy Mitch for years to come, although I do personally feel his complete lack of any offensive skill (including Free throws) still puts a limitation on him and the team.

Hopefully the new head of sports medicine helps Mitch with his biomechanics. He has a loping stride and a lot of wasted movement. He would benefit from some kinetic training

[blueNorange]

the narrative of robinson always being hurt is because he's always limping(i think that's how he walks) and always gets knicked up during games.

you keep robinson and you have elite interior and perimeter defense, forcing teams to take mid range jumpers.

you keep ihart and you have a very free flowing offense with great spacing.

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There is some truth to it. Out of the first 6 seasons, 4 have been relatively ok---he played on average about 65 out of 82 games. However, playing more than half the games is not exactly the definition of "not being always injured".....I really hope he has something cooking up--I think we all would love to see a healthy Mitch for years to come, although I do personally feel his complete lack of any offensive skill (including Free throws) still puts a limitation on him and the team.

Hopefully the new head of sports medicine helps Mitch with his biomechanics. He has a loping stride and a lot of wasted movement. He would benefit from some kinetic training

If there was a way to keep all the guys under contract, let iHart walk, and pick up a TPMLE guy in addition to league min guys -- I would be all for it. If the hard cap is what it advertises to be, then we are basically forced.

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Mitch very aggressive with these rumors idk what to think

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Message to Mitch...
All that matters is if you can look in the mirror and honestly say that you have done everything in your power to maintain
and keep your body healthy then you are good bro!
However, if you slack off on what you eat...don't stretch every single time that you are suppose to...do not strength and condition train when you are suppose to and sleep well...Then all you have to do is from that moment is... Just do it!

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can t wait to find out what he has cooking...

[RHODEY]

can t wait to find out what he has cooking...

Some Jumbuliya for his soon to be Pelican teammates.

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Message to Mitch...
All that matters is if you can look in the mirror and honestly say that you have done everything in your power to maintain
and keep your body healthy then you are good bro!
However, if you slack off on what you eat...don't stretch every single time that you are suppose to...do not strength and condition train when you are suppose to and sleep well...Then all you have to do is from that moment is... Just do it!

Apparently Mitch's philosophy is half a season is better than none. (but more is overworking)

82 games in a season. He's broken 62 twice; 72 tops. Yeah - he's always injured.

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Message to Mitch...
All that matters is if you can look in the mirror and honestly say that you have done everything in your power to maintain
and keep your body healthy then you are good bro!
However, if you slack off on what you eat...don't stretch every single time that you are suppose to...do not strength and condition train when you are suppose to and sleep well...Then all you have to do is from that moment is... Just do it!

Apparently Mitch's philosophy is half a season is better than none. (but more is overworking)

82 games in a season. He's broken 62 twice; 72 tops. Yeah - he's always injured.

I know for a fact that some of these cases are from not taking care of your body at a high level. However,
others are just a result of genes...Which one is it for Mitch?

[DaGawd]

can t wait to find out what he has cooking...

said hes gonna finally start letting the 3 fly on the roommates podcast.. of course he’s teased this since he’s gotten in the league and still shows no signs of being a capable nba 3 point shooter