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Kampuchea wrote:Wildcat wrote:robillionaire wrote:
The draft isn’t over
What C is being drafted in the 2nd round that's legitimately going to be a in a rotation?
Mitch, Ihart and Sims were all drafted in the second.
mugzi wrote:I don’t think iharts model wife is gonna want to leave NYC for OKC for an extra 2-4 million a year and you know if they offer more money thats all it’s gonna be. OKC is notoriously and historically cheap.
Jalen Bluntson wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Jalen Bluntson wrote:
We have 45.6mil in cap space from what I saw on ESPN IIRC. OG max would be more than that. If OG wants a max we can't afford iHart or anyone else as currently constructed. That's why we would have to move Mitch and Deuce into cap space to keep both OG/iHart on max deals and struggle to fill the roster after that.
The Bridges trade only added 2mil or so to our cap. It's really about what OG is willing to accept that the rest of the summer hinges on at this point. If he wants money more than being here, this could get ugly. I find it hard to believe anyone wants to leave but, money matters more than winning here/anywhere to some players. Hope these guys really like it here.
There are possibilities that Randle could be the one they move but, not sure what the team thinks about that. We have heard Mitch rumors already. There is definitely reason for concern that we lose BOTH OG and iHart if they value money more than this teams success.
If OG takes $40M/year, then we can resign IHart?
Not without trading Mitch into cap space. That would only leave us with 5.6 million to fill out the roster with.
Fat Kat wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
robillionaire wrote:Wildcat wrote:HopelessKnick wrote:Actually the fact that the Knicks didn't pick a Center gives me a little more hope that they are confident they can make the money work for Hartenstein.
Didn't draft a Center and traded 1 of the picks saved about 3 to 4 million.
The draft isn’t over
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
Fat Kat wrote:
it will easily be the Greatest Knicks Team ever assembled in my nearly 50 years of watching. 
CharlesOakley wrote:If we keep IHart and Mitch
I can't believe I'm looking at a legit contender with a roster stacked with defensive studs and shooters. If we can stay in good health, we have a chance to break '92 teams' record of 60 wins.
CharlesOakley wrote:If we keep IHart and Mitch
I can't believe I'm looking at a legit contender with a roster stacked with defensive studs and shooters. If we can stay in good health, we have a chance to break '92 teams' record of 60 wins.
ForzaMetro wrote:Fat Kat wrote:
If they were able to thread the needle by getting a S&T done for Precious that gives them just enough wiggle room to resign IHart (keeping Mitch and Deuce) in the process…wow.
Still feels like a long shot, but given the trades and decisions they make last night, you can at least see the path.
sol537 wrote:CharlesOakley wrote:If we keep IHart and Mitch
I can't believe I'm looking at a legit contender with a roster stacked with defensive studs and shooters. If we can stay in good health, we have a chance to break '92 teams' record of 60 wins.
I’m waiting for the iHart news with great anticipation. If we lose him, I think we have a plan B ready that gets us someone decent to fill in his big shoes. I won’t cry over it but I’ll miss him…
KnixinSix wrote:sol537 wrote:CharlesOakley wrote:If we keep IHart and Mitch
I can't believe I'm looking at a legit contender with a roster stacked with defensive studs and shooters. If we can stay in good health, we have a chance to break '92 teams' record of 60 wins.
I’m waiting for the iHart news with great anticipation. If we lose him, I think we have a plan B ready that gets us someone decent to fill in his big shoes. I won’t cry over it but I’ll miss him…
I think ownership loves the core it's building and wants to keep as much of it intact as possible. They are the ones who signed Hartenstein a couple years ago too.
I think they are definitely working on something and have a feeling they pull it off. The fact we didn't take a center last night when we could have even moved up to do so (with 24/25 and 38 and maybe even a future pick) , I feel like we are confident we can bring Isaiah back.
TrueWarrior wrote:My concern is, while I love OG, he is not 100+ million better than Isaiah.
In fact many advanced metrics put Isaiah ahead of OG overall, and near the top of the league even. Isaiah was elite in the best advanced stat EPM this year (2nd best defensive EPM after Isaac), elite in pick and roll points per shot with Jalen, elite as a rim protector, elite as a rebounder, elite as a big man passer, and so forth. Still has potential at only 26 years old with low mileage, especially on offense and as a shooter.
Some fans still underrate Isaiah and think he can be replaced with Goga, or that Mitch is better/as good when he’s not. They are nice centers who can be serviceable as starters, but Isaiah is ahead of them.
Now that OG got paid, will our other guys want to take team friendly deals? How are we going to afford all of them? We still have another year or two before we have to really worry about this, but it’s not right that OG is our highest paid player to me. Jalen, Julius, Mikal, Isaiah, and Deuce will want comparable raises, and rightfully so. Just got to enjoy the ride at this point however.
sol537 wrote:KnixinSix wrote:sol537 wrote:
I’m waiting for the iHart news with great anticipation. If we lose him, I think we have a plan B ready that gets us someone decent to fill in his big shoes. I won’t cry over it but I’ll miss him…
I think ownership loves the core it's building and wants to keep as much of it intact as possible. They are the ones who signed Hartenstein a couple years ago too.
I think they are definitely working on something and have a feeling they pull it off. The fact we didn't take a center last night when we could have even moved up to do so (with 24/25 and 38 and maybe even a future pick) , I feel like we are confident we can bring Isaiah back.
I think it’s at 50-50 that he returns. I’m hopeful. They’ll probably put a final year player option and a trade kicker in there like OG got… that gives IHart peace of mind and the chance to re up later for more money potentially.
sol537 wrote:TrueWarrior wrote:My concern is, while I love OG, he is not 100+ million better than Isaiah.
In fact many advanced metrics put Isaiah ahead of OG overall, and near the top of the league even. Isaiah was elite in the best advanced stat EPM this year (2nd best defensive EPM after Isaac), elite in pick and roll points per shot with Jalen, elite as a rim protector, elite as a rebounder, elite as a big man passer, and so forth. Still has potential at only 26 years old with low mileage, especially on offense and as a shooter.
Some fans still underrate Isaiah and think he can be replaced with Goga, or that Mitch is better/as good when he’s not. They are nice centers who can be serviceable as starters, but Isaiah is ahead of them.
Now that OG got paid, will our other guys want to take team friendly deals? How are we going to afford all of them? We still have another year or two before we have to really worry about this, but it’s not right that OG is our highest paid player to me. Jalen, Julius, Mikal, Isaiah, and Deuce will want comparable raises, and rightfully so. Just got to enjoy the ride at this point however.
iHart wasn’t great in the playoffs to be honest. He’s a very good player but he didn’t play like a 20m+ player in the playoffs. OG played like a $35m player his entire time with us. He was great… except for injuries. Hence our W-L record with and without OG. It’s league leading.