NYK roster compared to BOS and PHI

[RHODEY]

All valid points, this is the first team in forever that we can be confident in. We’ve got an identity, emerging depth and two-way talent.

I just don’t want us to get ahead of ourselves. At this stage we’ve achieved nothing; we cannot compare ourselves to the NBA champs.

But am I happy to go to war with this squad? You bet

Respect is good, submission isn't.Riley and Vangundy coached those Knicks teams to believe they could beat the Jordan Bulls and we played them like they believed. These Celtics were never tested the way we tested Jordans Bulls....and they aren't Jordans Bulls..we certainly have the talent to beat them ...we just have to believe it.

I think we are expressing similar thoughts in different different ways. I want every guy on our team knowing that they can beat anyone on any given night.

Should we be scared of Boston? Nah… you’re right, they’re no super team.

To avoid any semblance of complacency, the team needs to take it 1 game at a time though

Right agreed...

[Jalen Bluntson]

All valid points, this is the first team in forever that we can be confident in. We’ve got an identity, emerging depth and two-way talent.

I just don’t want us to get ahead of ourselves. At this stage we’ve achieved nothing; we cannot compare ourselves to the NBA champs.

But am I happy to go to war with this squad? You bet

Respect is good, submission isn't.Riley and Vangundy coached those Knicks teams to believe they could beat the Jordan Bulls and we played them like they believed. These Celtics were never tested the way we tested Jordans Bulls....and they aren't Jordans Bulls..we certainly have the talent to beat them ...we just have to believe it.

I think we are expressing similar thoughts in different ways. I want every guy on our team knowing that they can beat anyone on any given night.

Should we be scared of Boston? Nah… you’re right, they’re no super team.

To avoid any semblance of complacency, the team needs to take it 1 game at a time though

Ahhh... I think there was my original disconnect. You were talking about the players getting ahead of themselves?

[Parraknick]

Respect is good, submission isn't.Riley and Vangundy coached those Knicks teams to believe they could beat the Jordan Bulls and we played them like they believed. These Celtics were never tested the way we tested Jordans Bulls....and they aren't Jordans Bulls..we certainly have the talent to beat them ...we just have to believe it.

I think we are expressing similar thoughts in different ways. I want every guy on our team knowing that they can beat anyone on any given night.

Should we be scared of Boston? Nah… you’re right, they’re no super team.

To avoid any semblance of complacency, the team needs to take it 1 game at a time though

Ahhh... I think there was my original disconnect. You were talking about the players getting ahead of themselves?

Haha maybe I’ve spoken in a little bit of column A & column B. Apologies for the confusion.

Certainly regarding the players, I think having a team captain like Brunson is invaluable because he has the fire within but never gets ahead of himself. That kind of leadership is key imo.

For me as a fan / outsider, I need to see a fair bit more before feeling confident in some of the other opinions in this thread. Maybe that’s partly managing expectations.
To be clear though, I like our squad on paper more than Philly. I think our chemistry should only further assist here.

Boston imo, deserve to be bookmaker’s favourites. But we have the right ingredients to make it damn interesting.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I think we are expressing similar thoughts in different ways. I want every guy on our team knowing that they can beat anyone on any given night.

Should we be scared of Boston? Nah… you’re right, they’re no super team.

To avoid any semblance of complacency, the team needs to take it 1 game at a time though

Ahhh... I think there was my original disconnect. You were talking about the players getting ahead of themselves?

Haha maybe I’ve spoken in a little bit of column A & column B. Apologies for the confusion.

Certainly regarding the players, I think having a team captain like Brunson is invaluable because he has the fire within but never gets ahead of himself. That kind of leadership is key imo.

For me as a fan / outsider, I need to see a fair bit more before feeling confident in some of the other opinions in this thread. Maybe that’s partly managing expectations.
To be clear though, I like our squad on paper more than Philly. I think our chemistry should only further assist here.

Boston imo, deserve to be bookmaker’s favourites. But we have the right ingredients to make it damn interesting.

I agree on all points. I was originally thinking you meant shouldn't be comparing the teams in a discussion as fans but, you cleared that up.

It's a fun time to be a fan of this team. It has been 25 years since we had any sense of joy/trust in this franchise. Looking forward to the upcoming season and hoping some of my opinions are closer to the truth than not.

[Parraknick]

Ahhh... I think there was my original disconnect. You were talking about the players getting ahead of themselves?

Haha maybe I’ve spoken in a little bit of column A & column B. Apologies for the confusion.

Certainly regarding the players, I think having a team captain like Brunson is invaluable because he has the fire within but never gets ahead of himself. That kind of leadership is key imo.

For me as a fan / outsider, I need to see a fair bit more before feeling confident in some of the other opinions in this thread. Maybe that’s partly managing expectations.
To be clear though, I like our squad on paper more than Philly. I think our chemistry should only further assist here.

Boston imo, deserve to be bookmaker’s favourites. But we have the right ingredients to make it damn interesting.

I agree on all points. I was originally thinking you meant shouldn't be comparing the teams in a discussion as fans but, you cleared that up.

It's a fun time to be a fan of this team. It has been 25 years since we had any sense of joy/trust in this franchise. Looking forward to the upcoming season and hoping some of my opinions are closer to the truth than not.

Great post and absolutely. It’s pretty astonishing what the front office has achieved.

Even the general board is pretty impressed

[Jalen Bluntson]

Haha maybe I’ve spoken in a little bit of column A & column B. Apologies for the confusion.

Certainly regarding the players, I think having a team captain like Brunson is invaluable because he has the fire within but never gets ahead of himself. That kind of leadership is key imo.

For me as a fan / outsider, I need to see a fair bit more before feeling confident in some of the other opinions in this thread. Maybe that’s partly managing expectations.
To be clear though, I like our squad on paper more than Philly. I think our chemistry should only further assist here.

Boston imo, deserve to be bookmaker’s favourites. But we have the right ingredients to make it damn interesting.

I agree on all points. I was originally thinking you meant shouldn't be comparing the teams in a discussion as fans but, you cleared that up.

It's a fun time to be a fan of this team. It has been 25 years since we had any sense of joy/trust in this franchise. Looking forward to the upcoming season and hoping some of my opinions are closer to the truth than not.

Great post and absolutely. It’s pretty astonishing what the front office has achieved.

Even the general board is pretty impressed

Oh boy. I avoid that place like the plague!

[RHODEY]

I think we are expressing similar thoughts in different ways. I want every guy on our team knowing that they can beat anyone on any given night.

Should we be scared of Boston? Nah… you’re right, they’re no super team.

To avoid any semblance of complacency, the team needs to take it 1 game at a time though

Ahhh... I think there was my original disconnect. You were talking about the players getting ahead of themselves?

Haha maybe I’ve spoken in a little bit of column A & column B. Apologies for the confusion.

Certainly regarding the players, I think having a team captain like Brunson is invaluable because he has the fire within but never gets ahead of himself. That kind of leadership is key imo.

For me as a fan / outsider, I need to see a fair bit more before feeling confident in some of the other opinions in this thread. Maybe that’s partly managing expectations.
To be clear though, I like our squad on paper more than Philly. I think our chemistry should only further assist here.

Boston imo, deserve to be bookmaker’s favourites. But we have the right ingredients to make it damn interesting.

Honestly if we had Ihart next to Towns right now I would put us ahead of them. RIght now I have usneck and neck but you're right we have to see it played out on the court.

[NiceLikeChrist]

Today I learned that people really actually fear Paul George. In what world does Philly have a better top 3 than us?

Nobody in Philly worries me. Maxey is the biggest threat and hopefully Mikal can contain him better than we did last playoffs.

Celtics don’t scare me either. They didn’t even scare me last season. I fully believe we beat them in a series last playoffs if our team was healthy. Individually they aren’t threats, they’re just a cohesive unit as a whole. If we can shut down their actions and confidence we take that series too.

[Guano]

maxey is nice, real nice, but he isn't better or equal to brunson. sometimes you guys take it too far. and that's too far.

also it needs to be addressed - there is far too much overrating of playoff p in here. he is julius randolph with emotional intelligence so he gets a pass. at this point in his career he isn't better than mikal. idgaf if he puts up sexy numbers when he plays. he completely sht the bed against joe ingles in a playoff series and has done NOTHING in his career since then to warrant any sort of forgiveness. though he is older now and missing more games. frankly it's disgusting reading any praise for him. better than tobias bridges - foh.

embiid is the best player - if the 6ers do manage to keep him healthy we're fcked so there is that.

[Chanel Bomber]

it is kind of like what the clippers tried to do with kawhi and the raptors did successfully with him. so i would say it has been done. there's certainly some luck involved. you have to have it be timed right. porzingis was healthy more most of last year but the playoffs came and he missed most of it. they just didn't really need him. that's how good that roster is.

There have been several examples where the narrative about a player solidified over time to the point where it became almost a collective assumption, until it got proven wrong, and you had to look back at their career in an entirely different light.

Dirk was said to be too soft to win a championship until he won one of the hardest titles ever. LeBron didn't have the "killer instinct" to win a ring. We were told Jokic could never lead the Nuggets to a chip because of his supposedly bad defense or whatever.

Embiid might never be healthy enough to make a deep playoff run. He was culpable in some instances, undermining his health to chase regular-season awards for instance.

But he needs just one break, with a bit of luck (e.g. injuries to other teams, good health on his team, favorable officiating), and he could absolutely win a chip and reverse the narrative around his lack of playoff success.

I don't think it's about him being some playoff midget or being intrinsically unable to stay healthy for the playoffs. He and the Sixers need to be much smarter about his regular-season minutes, and they need some luck along the way.

Obviously it's perfectly fine with me if he never gets past the second round.

I just don’t think Embiid injury history is a media narrative in the same way dirk not being tough enough was. You can actually measure Embiid injury history unlike lebron’s killer instinct. Jokic can work on his defense, guys with injuries are something that usually don’t get better.

Fair argument, and point taken, but I do think they could also work around Embiid's health issues by prioritizing his preparation for the playoffs more than they have in recent years. To sham's point, Kawhi has had degenerative knee problems since he was in San Antonio if I remember correctly, and he needed just one season where he could play through them and luck to go his way in order to win that chip with Toronto. I suppose I wouldn't rule out that scenario for Embiid (not saying you are ruling it out entirely). Let's see if they play it smart this time.

[Jalen Bluntson]

maxey is nice, real nice, but he isn't better or equal to brunson. sometimes you guys take it too far. and that's too far.

also it needs to be addressed - there is far too much overrating of playoff p in here. he is julius randolph with emotional intelligence so he gets a pass. at this point in his career he isn't better than mikal. idgaf if he puts up sexy numbers when he plays. he completely sht the bed against joe ingles in a playoff series and has done NOTHING in his career since then to warrant any sort of forgiveness. though he is older now and missing more games. frankly it's disgusting reading any praise for him. better than tobias bridges - foh.

embiid is the best player - if the 6ers do manage to keep him healthy we're fcked so there is that.

Exactly. Except the last sentence.

Embiid will never be healthy come playoff time. Even if he is, then we can play the fantasy out fully. We are all healthy too and Mitch/team defense negates his impact and we win again. Mitch is his kryptonite and we have OG/Hart/Mikal/Deuce/Precious to lock the entire team down. It's silly to suggest that team is even in the same tier as us. Washed bench and Embiid/PG are known negatives.

Boston and the Knicks will be the top two teams in the East. That's your ECF right there. Book it.

[Fat Kat]

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[jvsimonetti0514]

There have been several examples where the narrative about a player solidified over time to the point where it became almost a collective assumption, until it got proven wrong, and you had to look back at their career in an entirely different light.

Dirk was said to be too soft to win a championship until he won one of the hardest titles ever. LeBron didn't have the "killer instinct" to win a ring. We were told Jokic could never lead the Nuggets to a chip because of his supposedly bad defense or whatever.

Embiid might never be healthy enough to make a deep playoff run. He was culpable in some instances, undermining his health to chase regular-season awards for instance.

But he needs just one break, with a bit of luck (e.g. injuries to other teams, good health on his team, favorable officiating), and he could absolutely win a chip and reverse the narrative around his lack of playoff success.

I don't think it's about him being some playoff midget or being intrinsically unable to stay healthy for the playoffs. He and the Sixers need to be much smarter about his regular-season minutes, and they need some luck along the way.

Obviously it's perfectly fine with me if he never gets past the second round.

I just don’t think Embiid injury history is a media narrative in the same way dirk not being tough enough was. You can actually measure Embiid injury history unlike lebron’s killer instinct. Jokic can work on his defense, guys with injuries are something that usually don’t get better.

Fair argument, and point taken, but I do think they could also work around Embiid's health issues by prioritizing his preparation for the playoffs more than they have in recent years. To sham's point, Kawhi has had degenerative knee problems since he was in San Antonio if I remember correctly, and he needed just one season where he could play through them and luck to go his way in order to win that chip with Toronto. I suppose I wouldn't rule out that scenario for Embiid (not saying you are ruling it out entirely). Let's see if they play it smart this time.

Lots of ppl in NBA circles use Playoff P in an ironic way now but PG13 has a bunch of really good playoffs series. Maxey was awesome against us too. Can I see a Scenario where they make a run with Embiid beating up teams during the 1st 3 quarters and the other guys close out games? 100% but the best player being carried to a title doesn’t happen too often.

Bill Simmons made a great point in the pod you posted. Why has it taken them so long to do this type of load management with Embiid before? They’ve had a bunch of really good teams that could have won titles. Did they just keep their fingers crossed that he’d be able to kept upright? It feels like they were resting him a decent amount before too. What’s exactly different about with how they’re doing it this time? I do prefer athletes being truthful but this seems like something that they should keep in house. Just makes everyone look bad that you haven’t been focus winning titles.

[3toheadmelo]

maxey is nice, real nice, but he isn't better or equal to brunson. sometimes you guys take it too far. and that's too far.

also it needs to be addressed - there is far too much overrating of playoff p in here. he is julius randolph with emotional intelligence so he gets a pass. at this point in his career he isn't better than mikal. idgaf if he puts up sexy numbers when he plays. he completely sht the bed against joe ingles in a playoff series and has done NOTHING in his career since then to warrant any sort of forgiveness. though he is older now and missing more games. frankly it's disgusting reading any praise for him. better than tobias bridges - foh.

embiid is the best player - if the 6ers do manage to keep him healthy we're fcked so there is that.

maxey averaged 30 and 7 against us in the playoffs. that's pretty much on par with brunson. no shame in admitting that guan0.

paul george is def 100% better than mikal what are we doing here? those shrooms had you tripping at 3 am eh

[Guano]

maxey is nice, real nice, but he isn't better or equal to brunson. sometimes you guys take it too far. and that's too far.

also it needs to be addressed - there is far too much overrating of playoff p in here. he is julius randolph with emotional intelligence so he gets a pass. at this point in his career he isn't better than mikal. idgaf if he puts up sexy numbers when he plays. he completely sht the bed against joe ingles in a playoff series and has done NOTHING in his career since then to warrant any sort of forgiveness. though he is older now and missing more games. frankly it's disgusting reading any praise for him. better than tobias bridges - foh.

embiid is the best player - if the 6ers do manage to keep him healthy we're fcked so there is that.

maxey averaged 30 and 7 against us in the playoffs. that's pretty much on par with brunson. no shame in admitting that guan0.

paul george is def 100% better than mikal what are we doing here? those shrooms had you tripping at 3 am eh

lol. I mistakenly opened this thread and was appalled by all the 6er glazing going on. Something had to get said.

Idgaf what maxey averaged in one playoff series. Thats a silly use of stats. He hasn't carried a team. Also in that series against Brunson averaging all that HE LOST to Brunson. So he isn't quite as good as Brunson. Which isn't a slight. He is nice. But just not as nice as Brunson.

As for pg13 - empty calories, a paper tiger, a fraud. No pg13 is better than pg13. So by that simple math tobias bridges is better than pg13. Can't argue math, homie.

[3toheadmelo]

maxey is nice, real nice, but he isn't better or equal to brunson. sometimes you guys take it too far. and that's too far.

also it needs to be addressed - there is far too much overrating of playoff p in here. he is julius randolph with emotional intelligence so he gets a pass. at this point in his career he isn't better than mikal. idgaf if he puts up sexy numbers when he plays. he completely sht the bed against joe ingles in a playoff series and has done NOTHING in his career since then to warrant any sort of forgiveness. though he is older now and missing more games. frankly it's disgusting reading any praise for him. better than tobias bridges - foh.

embiid is the best player - if the 6ers do manage to keep him healthy we're fcked so there is that.

maxey averaged 30 and 7 against us in the playoffs. that's pretty much on par with brunson. no shame in admitting that guan0.

paul george is def 100% better than mikal what are we doing here? those shrooms had you tripping at 3 am eh

lol. I mistakenly opened this thread and was appalled by all the 6er glazing going on. Something had to get said.

Idgaf what maxey averaged in one playoff series. Thats a silly use of stats. He hasn't carried a team. Also in that series against Brunson averaging all that HE LOST to Brunson. So he isn't quite as good as Brunson. Which isn't a slight. He is nice. But just not as nice as Brunson.

As for pg13 - empty calories, a paper tiger, a fraud. No pg13 is better than pg13. So by that simple math tobias bridges is better than pg13. Can't argue math, homie.

maxey vs brunson can go either way so idc if you think brunson is better

where you cross the line is tobias bridges being better than paul george that man has a career average of 21.2 ppg 7.5 rpg 4.1 apg in the playoffs. mikal is never touching those numbers in the playoffs.

[Guano]

maxey averaged 30 and 7 against us in the playoffs. that's pretty much on par with brunson. no shame in admitting that guan0.

paul george is def 100% better than mikal what are we doing here? those shrooms had you tripping at 3 am eh

lol. I mistakenly opened this thread and was appalled by all the 6er glazing going on. Something had to get said.

Idgaf what maxey averaged in one playoff series. Thats a silly use of stats. He hasn't carried a team. Also in that series against Brunson averaging all that HE LOST to Brunson. So he isn't quite as good as Brunson. Which isn't a slight. He is nice. But just not as nice as Brunson.

As for pg13 - empty calories, a paper tiger, a fraud. No pg13 is better than pg13. So by that simple math tobias bridges is better than pg13. Can't argue math, homie.

maxey vs brunson can go either way so idc if you think brunson is better

where you cross the line is tobias bridges being better than paul george that man has a career average of 21.2 ppg 7.5 rpg 4.1 apg in the playoffs. mikal is never touching those numbers in the playoffs.

Counting stats are pointless. Bridges is a better defender, better 3rd option, didn't get clowned by an Australian who likes like the pr rep from the office, healthier, plays for the knicks, doesn't have a stupid pod, leg isnt held together by Adamantium, is on the right side of 30, has a weird hitch in his shot, doesn't have highlight reels of being clowned in the playoffs.

But if you want to champion for wayoff p by all means have at it. Don't let me or your self respect get in your way.

[Knicksfan1992]

It's the usual suspects in here overrating Philly again smh. Y'all will learn one day that Morey is a fraud when it comes to team building.

[Knicksfan1992]

Philly's depth behind their "big 3" that likely will only play 20-40 games together because of health issues

Big Bad Kelly Oubre
Caleb Martin (not in a Heat uniform and not coached by Erik Spoelstra)
The corpse of Eric Gordon
The corpse of Kyle Lowry
Tik Tok McClain
Yabusele (Fat)
Drummond (also fat)
Reggie Jackson (just cheeks)
Kenyon Martin Jr. (Not his dad)

But yeah tell me more about how I should be scared of this supporting cast LMAO.

[Besart19]

i think we're better than the sixers but maxey is 100% better than kat. lets be serious now lol

i didn't even say what team was better. i said their top 3 was better. i don't think that can be argued. their best player is better than ours, their 2nd best player is better than ours and their 3rd is better than ours.

yeah i don't think you can dispute that

maxey = brunson
embiid > kat
pg13 > mikal

Mikal better than any scrub they have on the wings
Anunoby is better than PG
KAT better than Embiid
and you need to get a ban entering the MSG for slandering Mr. Brunson junior