Thibs needs to go

[Jalen Bluntson]

From CynKnickal who had his thread locked for good reason.

This whole minutes police nonsense....it's not just about how many, it's how many consecutive.

If Brunson plays ten minutes then ten minutes in the first half, and then plays 20 consecutive minutes in the second half, yeah, 40 doesn't sound that bad, but do you really think he's gonna have the legs to finish off the game?

Also, they track miles ran now, and 6 Knicks are like in the top ten or something.

It's not just about minutes, it's how they're utilized, and Thibs is horrible at it. I don't even care about injuries, what will be will be, but it affects how they play at the end of games.

The horrible thing about this is that Thibs management of the team has become the game plan for opposing teams.

After Orlando’s victory on Monday, two key Magic players told the Daily News they predicted the Knicks’ rotation would not stretch irregularly deep into the bench even with injuries mounting.

“We kind of already know Thibs is one of them coaches that plays his players until the buzzer ends,” 12-year veteran Kentavious Caldwell-Pope told The News. “We kind of know that from previous coaching, other teams, stuff like that.”

“Those dudes play super hard,” added Orlando’s defensive irritant Anthony Black. “Honestly, they play a lot of minutes. Yeah, other teams know that, of course.”

Perhaps this was the message Suggs passed along to his teammates. After all, he’s a shark, and sharks can smell blood in the water.

In this case, the “blood” was the fatigue creeping into a Knicks starting unit that’s been grinding through heavy mileage, showing wear with every passing game.

Asked if the Knicks are, indeed, fatigued, Thibodeau attributed their slump to “a compilation of a lot of things.”

His solution was cold plunges, rest and recovery.

You fool...they're tired in the game, at that moment, they can't go to the locker room for a refreshing plunge to come back in the game fresh. If there's any reason this guy is going to get fired, it's when more opponents mock him for what he's doing and word goes around and the media catches on. He already has a bad reputation, it's going to get worse.

Basically other teams are putting in fresh guys to press and fatigue the starters, which is most of the game, going ten deep, even 12 like I think Boston did. Then it's pedal to the metal in the fourth.

This is exactly what OKC did at the end, too. The writing is on the clipboard, this dude is getting exposed.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I'm gonna start posting posts from Bulls and Wolves threads, some will be in defense just to highlight how similar some of you sound to those poor Bulls & Wolves fans who couldn't see the light. The majority will be like this, where the complaints are exactly the same.

Yep, I heard them saying that too. It's beyond perplexing. It should absolutely be a fireable offense to be running your best players ragged while getting nothing out of your bench, and hurting the development of both units in a season of missed playoffs. I just don't know that Glen Taylor will do anything. At this point he's probably more tired of the revolving door of coaches than anybody. It would be great to think that somebody could come in here though and get this exact roster comfortably to the playoffs - with plenty of energy to spare - next year.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1690811&p=64693637&hilit=Thibs#p64699916

[WentzerWuver]

I'm gonna start posting posts from Bulls and Wolves threads, some will be in defense just to highlight how similar some of you sound to those poor Bulls & Wolves fans who couldn't see the light. The majority will be like this, where the complaints are exactly the same.

Yep, I heard them saying that too. It's beyond perplexing. It should absolutely be a fireable offense to be running your best players ragged while getting nothing out of your bench, and hurting the development of both units in a season of missed playoffs. I just don't know that Glen Taylor will do anything. At this point he's probably more tired of the revolving door of coaches than anybody. It would be great to think that somebody could come in here though and get this exact roster comfortably to the playoffs - with plenty of energy to spare - next year.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1690811&p=64693637&hilit=Thibs#p64699916

You must have alot of time in your hands to go thru old postings just to prove some point on a forum that the team doesn't use to make their decisions. Even his own players want them to leave Thibs alone!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I'm gonna start posting posts from Bulls and Wolves threads, some will be in defense just to highlight how similar some of you sound to those poor Bulls & Wolves fans who couldn't see the light. The majority will be like this, where the complaints are exactly the same.

Yep, I heard them saying that too. It's beyond perplexing. It should absolutely be a fireable offense to be running your best players ragged while getting nothing out of your bench, and hurting the development of both units in a season of missed playoffs. I just don't know that Glen Taylor will do anything. At this point he's probably more tired of the revolving door of coaches than anybody. It would be great to think that somebody could come in here though and get this exact roster comfortably to the playoffs - with plenty of energy to spare - next year.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1690811&p=64693637&hilit=Thibs#p64699916

You must have alot of time in your hands to go thru old postings just to prove some point on a forum that the team doesn't use to make their decisions. Even his own players want them to leave Thibs alone!

Takes less time to do that than it does to type up some thoughtful response with stats, when someone already did that for me many times over the last 15 years. If something from 2010-2019 still applies to today it says more about the coach than anything else.

[WentzerWuver]

I'm gonna start posting posts from Bulls and Wolves threads, some will be in defense just to highlight how similar some of you sound to those poor Bulls & Wolves fans who couldn't see the light. The majority will be like this, where the complaints are exactly the same.

You must have alot of time in your hands to go thru old postings just to prove some point on a forum that the team doesn't use to make their decisions. Even his own players want them to leave Thibs alone!

Takes less time to do that than it does to type up some thoughtful response with stats, when someone already did that for me many times over the last 15 years. If something from 2010-2019 still applies to today it says more about the coach than anything else.

https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-dont-know-if-its-a-dumb-conversation-jalen-brunson-comments-tom-thibodeaus-extensive-minutes-rotation/

[The KnicksFix]

Thibs is the Julius Randle of coaches.

Take this to the sht posting thread. No one wants to read your weird obsession with hating on Randle in every thread. Weird behavior.

It means they’re both hot dog sh**

[SelbyCobra]

In 13 years of coaching Tom Thibodeau has had 2 teams with a winning record against teams that are .500 or better, the Bulls 2x, the Wolves & Knicks never.

Took this out of the game thread because it belongs here. The man has a track record. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

Everything about this man's style from optics, to statistics, to history shows us it works really well elevating teams to a certain level above "bad" and below "elite". We've arrived at the plateau, its time to get off the ride.

[Jalen Bluntson]

In 13 years of coaching Tom Thibodeau has had 2 teams with a winning record against teams that are .500 or better, the Bulls 2x, the Wolves & Knicks never.

Took this out of the game thread because it belongs here. The man has a track record. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

Everything about this man's style from optics, to statistics, to history shows us it works really well elevating teams to a certain level above "bad" and below "elite". We've arrived at the plateau, its time to get off the ride.

I don't see him getting us over the hump but, I have gone in extra recently and I need to calm down. It really doesn't matter this season. We are not winning a title unless we get an extremely lucky run in the playoffs. We just haven't put it together as a team yet. None of the top teams got where they are in year one and neither will we. We have the talent but, no experience. The energy was extremely high but, we were really beating up on mostly weak teams all year. The reality is settling in now and it kinda stings.

Thibs isn't getting fired this season and probably not next year either. Unless things get really ugly at least. I don't know who is out there to replace him with either so, whatever. This bridge will be crossed at some point...or we will win a title and everyone will forget everything.

[WentzerWuver]

Thibs is the Julius Randle of coaches.

Take this to the sht posting thread. No one wants to read your weird obsession with hating on Randle in every thread. Weird behavior.

He acts like Randle had slept with his sister.

[The KnicksFix]

In 13 years of coaching Tom Thibodeau has had 2 teams with a winning record against teams that are .500 or better, the Bulls 2x, the Wolves & Knicks never.

Took this out of the game thread because it belongs here. The man has a track record. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

Everything about this man's style from optics, to statistics, to history shows us it works really well elevating teams to a certain level above "bad" and below "elite". We've arrived at the plateau, its time to get off the ride.

I don't see him getting us over the hump but, I have gone in extra recently and I need to calm down. It really doesn't matter this season. We are not winning a title unless we get an extremely lucky run in the playoffs. We just haven't put it together as a team yet. None of the top teams got where they are in year one and neither will we. We have the talent but, no experience. The energy was extremely high but, we were really beating up on mostly weak teams all year. The reality is settling in now and it kinda stings.

Thibs isn't getting fired this season and probably not next year either. Unless things get really ugly at least. I don't know who is out there to replace him with either so, whatever. This bridge will be crossed at some point...or we will win a title and everyone will forget everything.

The thing is tho bro, we have to utilize this year and grow. Even the heatles didn’t win that first year together. The problem that’s so alarming, is that we have somehow regressed even though we’ve made upgrades to the starting 5. That’s what’s so scary man.

[WentzerWuver]

Took this out of the game thread because it belongs here. The man has a track record. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

Everything about this man's style from optics, to statistics, to history shows us it works really well elevating teams to a certain level above "bad" and below "elite". We've arrived at the plateau, its time to get off the ride.

I don't see him getting us over the hump but, I have gone in extra recently and I need to calm down. It really doesn't matter this season. We are not winning a title unless we get an extremely lucky run in the playoffs. We just haven't put it together as a team yet. None of the top teams got where they are in year one and neither will we. We have the talent but, no experience. The energy was extremely high but, we were really beating up on mostly weak teams all year. The reality is settling in now and it kinda stings.

Thibs isn't getting fired this season and probably not next year either. Unless things get really ugly at least. I don't know who is out there to replace him with either so, whatever. This bridge will be crossed at some point...or we will win a title and everyone will forget everything.

The thing is tho bro, we have to utilize this year and grow. Even the heatles didn’t win that first year together. The problem that’s so alarming, is that we have somehow regressed even though we’ve made upgrades to the starting 5. That’s what’s so scary man.

OG needs to pick up his game offensively as a max player. Still, only need to win 4 out of 7 in a series, and this team is good enough to accomplish that.

[WaltFrazier]

You must have alot of time in your hands to go thru old postings just to prove some point on a forum that the team doesn't use to make their decisions. Even his own players want them to leave Thibs alone!

Takes less time to do that than it does to type up some thoughtful response with stats, when someone already did that for me many times over the last 15 years. If something from 2010-2019 still applies to today it says more about the coach than anything else.

https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-dont-know-if-its-a-dumb-conversation-jalen-brunson-comments-tom-thibodeaus-extensive-minutes-rotation/

Within this highlighted article at the end of the post, Stan Van Gundy comes to Thibs defense. But the examples he uses of Vince Carter and Draymond Green are taken from the playoffs not a whole regular season

[sol537]

Thibs ain’t it
KAT and JB combo ain’t it
Hart as the starting PF ain’t it

Changes are needed at the deadline or off season and changes will come. Leon ain’t no fool.

[3toheadmelo]

Thibs is the Julius Randle of coaches.

Take this to the sht posting thread. No one wants to read your weird obsession with hating on Randle in every thread. Weird behavior.

He acts like Randle had slept with his sister.

Fr. It’s very annoying to see him spam his Randle hate in every thread. If you’re gonna troll take it to the sht posting thread.

[WaltFrazier]

The talent level with these Knicks being so undeniably high at this point renders all the old reasons why coaches didn't want the job here irrelevant.

Yeah, its not worth it to come to this media torture chamber to coach David Lee, Nate Robinson, Jarred Jeffries, Chris Duhon, or Carmelo and some G-League bodies. But now you have arguably the best starting five in the NBA, all controllable for four years, AND a highly competent and creative front office?

They could literally get anybody they wanted, of who is actually available. Nobody is turning down the Knicks job at this point, regardless of the pressure cooker, the owner, or the expectations. They've put irrefutable, championship level talent in place for the first time since the 70s (yes, I'm not including my beloved 90s teams in that category, they were as much or more heart/grit as they were talent). Leon would have the pick of the litter. .

I don't know if there's much of a litter out there. I paid attention to the Raptors search after Nick Nurse. They lost out on Ime Udoka before they had a chance. Atkinson interviewed, Jordi Fernandez was a finalist (and they should have hired him over Darko), I think Charles Lee was a candidate. Seems like some good coaches have been taken the last year or so, but I'm sure there's someone out there.

I still don't think Knicks will change mid season, more likely next summer. Either way it will be interesting if assistant Brunson is not retained by a new head coach.

If the Timberwolves keep floundering maybe Chris Finch would be a good hire this summer. Veteran coach, offensive guru, knows Kat well. I can't see Thibs being replaced by a young unproven assistant , except Johnny Bryant because of familiarity.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/curtisrush/2021/02/22/minnesota-timberwolves-hire-creative-basketball-mind-in-toronto-raptors-assistant-chris-finch/

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You must have alot of time in your hands to go thru old postings just to prove some point on a forum that the team doesn't use to make their decisions. Even his own players want them to leave Thibs alone!

Takes less time to do that than it does to type up some thoughtful response with stats, when someone already did that for me many times over the last 15 years. If something from 2010-2019 still applies to today it says more about the coach than anything else.

https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-dont-know-if-its-a-dumb-conversation-jalen-brunson-comments-tom-thibodeaus-extensive-minutes-rotation/

Derrick Rose: Don't blame Thibodeau

Nick Friedell, ESPN Staff Writer
Jan 23, 2015, 12:26 AM ET
https://www.espn.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/12215199/derrick-rose-gregg-popovich-defend-chicago-bulls-coach-tom-thibodeau

[Capn'O]

Please take the Randle talk to fight thread.

[8516knicks]

I think we have too much talent for a losing season. But if we don't at least win a first round playoff series, I think the clock starts ticking on Thibs.

They'll still give him next season, but he won't have the injuries to lean on as an excuse (legit excuse last year but this year his minutes/rotations will not be able to be hidden from Leon.)

[Iron Mantis]

Moving along...

Thibs needs to go.

The FO is getting paid millions of dollars to thoroughly assess and scour the pool of potential coaching talent. It's time to get a coach to unlock this team.

[The KnicksFix]

Moving along...

Thibs needs to go.

The FO is getting paid millions of dollars to thoroughly assess and scour the pool of potential coaching talent. It's time to get a coach to unlock this team.