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OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge

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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#101 » by j4remi » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:10 pm

Could it have anything to do with them saying 80 cents, then 10 cents, then shifting to saying a "dime" in the last portion of the riddle?
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#102 » by mrpoetryNmotion » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:13 pm

Red Vines wrote:I say let's just cut our losses and lock and delete this thread so nobody else falls victim to this.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#103 » by gofret » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:27 pm

wtf man.. Its killing me
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#104 » by GONYK » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:53 pm

j4remi wrote:Could it have anything to do with them saying 80 cents, then 10 cents, then shifting to saying a "dime" in the last portion of the riddle?

I thought of that, but what could the significance really be? The worst part of this riddle is the hint. If you are reaching too far past the words, you are doing something wrong, since the answer is in the riddle.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#105 » by Menyun » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:50 pm

The man was "kicked out". Why?

Answer. He paid to be driven 13 blocks and the streetcar had only gone 10 blocks.

The way the reader or listener interprets the question "Why?" is the crux of the riddle. Everyone seems to be trying to answer the following: What reason or justification did "they" have for "kicking out" the man on the 10th block? I don't believe the riddle is asking this or provides the answer to it.

The phrasing leads me to interpret the question this way: Why was the man "kicked out" as opposed to simply exiting or leaving voluntarily? The answer to this question is said every time the riddle is repeated. The man paid to be driven 13 blocks.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#106 » by j4remi » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:40 pm

Menyun wrote:The man was "kicked out". Why?

Answer. He paid to be driven 13 blocks and the streetcar had only gone 10 blocks.

The way the reader or listener interprets the question "Why?" is the crux of the riddle. Everyone seems to be trying to answer the following: What reason or justification did "they" have for "kicking out" the man on the 10th block? I don't believe the riddle is asking this or provides the answer to it.

The phrasing leads me to interpret the question this way: Why was the man "kicked out" as opposed to simply exiting or leaving voluntarily? The answer to this question is said every time the riddle is repeated. The man paid to be driven 13 blocks.


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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#107 » by Menyun » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:55 pm

No, not God. I am really high atm though. Wake and bake ftw.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#108 » by can o peas » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:12 pm

Red Vines wrote:
Dure wrote:The streetcar goes 12 blocks in one direction, then turns around (or hits reverse on its tracks). Block 11 becomes the 13th on the mans trip. 10 is 14. They kick him cause he payed for a 13 block ride.

Mean riddle. Simple answer but it's based on a trick and has a lot of distractions.


I don't think that's the answer. Why would he pay to go 13 blocks in the first place if the streetcar only went 12? And why would the streetcar turn around? Not a very elegant solution.


I think streetcars would probably work the same way as buses or subways, in that you pay a flat fee no matter what the distance so it wouldn't matter if he paid for 12 or 13, it'd still be the same 10 cents. also the streetcar or trolley would turn around or reverse on its tracks if at 12 blocks it was the end of the line.

GONYK, I think this is probably the most logical answer- did you ever ask your friend if this was it?
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#109 » by Jmonty580 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:12 pm

A man had a dollar. He spent 80 cents for a drum and 10 cents for 2 drumsticks. He gave a streetcar driver a dime to drive him 13 blocks. On the tenth block they kicked him out. Why?

Hint: I tell you the answer every time I say the riddle.

The question is why was the man kicked out on the 10th block. The previous information in the riddle has to provide some insight into why he was kicked out otherwise this riddle cannot be solved and it defeats the purpose of the riddle (to answer why he was kicked out of the streetcar on the 10th block).

When he entered the streetcar he had at least 10 cents (or a dime). We know he had a dollar and spent 80 cents on a drum and 10 cents on drumsticks. Now did he have those with him or not? If so his playing the drums on the streetcar might lead him to get kicked off, but the riddle does not give that information so I cant assume. So I have to assume that him being kicked off of the streetcar has nothing to do with the drum or the drumsticks.

Now one might guess that the man gave an insufficient amount of money for the streetcar ride and as a result was kicked off. The riddle says he gave a streetcar driver a dime to drive him 13 blocks. This implies that there was an agreement between the man and the streetcar driver. So why would he be kicked out when he has paid an agreed upon amount for services to be rendered? Not having enough money is clearly not the reason he was kicked out. Also, it states the man had a dollar, that doesn’t mean he didn’t have more money. I have a dollar in my wallet, and I also have 20 dollars in my wallet too. The reason he was kicked off of the streetcar has nothing to do with money.

He would have to do something that would warrant him to be kicked out of the streetcar. The riddle does not state any actions the man may have taken on the streetcar to get kicked out.

The hint says I tell you the answer every time I say the riddle, meaning that the answer is in the riddle. This is clearly wrong because I’ve just explained how the answer cannot be in the riddle.

The only possibility here has to do with one letter in the riddle “a”. The riddle says he gave a streetcar driver a dime to drive him 13 blocks. It doesn’t say he took the street car that was driven by the man he made the agreement with. All I can guess at is that he paid a streetcar driver a dime to drive him 13 blocks, and somehow took a streetcar from a different driver. After 10 blocks they realized that he had not paid and kicked him out.

If that isn’t the answer, then there is no answer lol, nothing else would make any sense.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#110 » by Menyun » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:38 pm

The riddle is not phrased; Why did the man get "kicked out" on block 10? That is how you are interpreting it. I do not believe there is anything special about block 10. The riddle is just establishing that the man exited the streetcar before traveling 13 blocks which is what he paid for. The riddle could just have easily used block 7 instead of block 10.

The first two sentences about spending his dollar and the specific mention of block 10 are only meant to confuse the reader or listener and lead them into misinterpreting what the riddle is truly asking. The most important part of the riddle is that the man was "kicked out." He did not get off the streetcar voluntarily. Why? Because he paid to go 13 blocks.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#111 » by Jmonty580 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:44 pm

Menyun wrote:The riddle is not phrased; Why did the man get "kicked out" on block 10? That is how you are interpreting it. I do not believe there is anything special about block 10. The riddle is just establishing that the man exited the streetcar before traveling 13 blocks which is what he paid for. The riddle could just have easily used block 7 instead of block 10.

The first two sentences about spending his dollar and the specific mention of block 10 are only meant to confuse the reader or listener and lead them into misinterpreting what the riddle is truly asking. The most important part of the riddle is that the man was "kicked out." He did not get off the streetcar voluntarily. Why? Because he paid to go 13 blocks.



The question is why did he get kicked out on the 10th block? Whether or not the 10th block is relevant is a different question, but it does ask why did he get kicked out on the 10th block.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#112 » by projectpaki » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:33 pm

we must sacrifice somebody (GONYK) to the gods, and only then will the answer be revealed to us
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#113 » by JohnStarksTheDunk » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:42 pm

Jmonty580 wrote:
Menyun wrote:The riddle is not phrased; Why did the man get "kicked out" on block 10? That is how you are interpreting it. I do not believe there is anything special about block 10. The riddle is just establishing that the man exited the streetcar before traveling 13 blocks which is what he paid for. The riddle could just have easily used block 7 instead of block 10.

The first two sentences about spending his dollar and the specific mention of block 10 are only meant to confuse the reader or listener and lead them into misinterpreting what the riddle is truly asking. The most important part of the riddle is that the man was "kicked out." He did not get off the streetcar voluntarily. Why? Because he paid to go 13 blocks.



The question is why did he get kicked out on the 10th block? Whether or not the 10th block is relevant is a different question, but it does ask why did he get kicked out on the 10th block.


But his point is that the "why?" at the end of the riddle can be interpreted in different ways.

1. Why did they kick the man out?
2. Why did they have to kick the man out? That is, why didn't he go willingly.

If it's asking #2, the answer is that he had to be kicked out because he wanted to go further (13 blocks). Thus, he had to be kicked out, instead of just getting off on his own.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#114 » by Jmonty580 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:52 pm

JohnStarksTheDunk wrote:
Jmonty580 wrote:
Menyun wrote:The riddle is not phrased; Why did the man get "kicked out" on block 10? That is how you are interpreting it. I do not believe there is anything special about block 10. The riddle is just establishing that the man exited the streetcar before traveling 13 blocks which is what he paid for. The riddle could just have easily used block 7 instead of block 10.

The first two sentences about spending his dollar and the specific mention of block 10 are only meant to confuse the reader or listener and lead them into misinterpreting what the riddle is truly asking. The most important part of the riddle is that the man was "kicked out." He did not get off the streetcar voluntarily. Why? Because he paid to go 13 blocks.



The question is why did he get kicked out on the 10th block? Whether or not the 10th block is relevant is a different question, but it does ask why did he get kicked out on the 10th block.


But his point is that the "why?" at the end of the riddle can be interpreted in different ways.

1. Why did they kick the man out?
2. Why did they have to kick the man out? That is, why didn't he go willingly.

If it's asking #2, the answer is that he had to be kicked out because he wanted to go further (13 blocks). Thus, he had to be kicked out, instead of just getting off on his own.


Both 1 and 2 are the same quetion though. he paid to go 13 blocks. They kicked him out after 10, why?

The quesiton is why did they kick him out after 10 blocks. The words kicked out already lets you know he didnt go willingly because he had to be kicked out, obviously he felt an injustice was being done to him, or he was doing something to cause them to kick him out.

You say if the questoin is asking the 2 second one then the answer is he had to be kicked off because he wanted to go 13 blocks. That isnt answer. it doesnt tell why he was thrown out after 10 blocks, your just stating that it would make sense that he would have to be thrown out if they wanted him out after 10 blocks when he paid for 13. If thats what happened (and the riddle does not imply that this is what happened) the question still stands, why did they kick him out after 10 blocks.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#115 » by jdennis187 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:00 pm

Menyun wrote:The man was "kicked out". Why?

Answer. He paid to be driven 13 blocks and the streetcar had only gone 10 blocks.

The way the reader or listener interprets the question "Why?" is the crux of the riddle. Everyone seems to be trying to answer the following: What reason or justification did "they" have for "kicking out" the man on the 10th block? I don't believe the riddle is asking this or provides the answer to it.

The phrasing leads me to interpret the question this way: Why was the man "kicked out" as opposed to simply exiting or leaving voluntarily? The answer to this question is said every time the riddle is repeated. The man paid to be driven 13 blocks.


I understand where you are going with this..

But how is "he paid to be driven 13 blocks and the streetcar had only gona 10 blocks" the answer to why he got out on block 10. I just need more explanation to why u think this is the answer.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#116 » by Jmonty580 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:09 pm

The riddle says he paid A streetcar driver, and THEY kicked him out. A and THEY are 2 different things. That has to be it.

If he paid to be driven 10 blocks, it doesnt make sense that he would be kicked out after 10. In this case the 10 is relevant, and so is the being kicked out. Also is the fact they he gave the streetcar driver a dime to drive him 13 blocks, the service provided (streetcar driver) agreed to provide the services (drive him 13 blocks) for a dime. He was KICKED OUT after 10 blocks. Why?
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#117 » by Neb » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:27 pm

That "they" is interesting, also, not really sure of such quirks in english language, but one could interpret that driver was kicked out, not the man, right?
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#118 » by Knicksfan20 » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:54 pm

Neb wrote:That "they" is interesting, also, not really sure of such quirks in english language, but one could interpret that driver was kicked out, not the man, right?



could be on to something, it never says who gets kicked out of the street car, they could be kicking the driver out.

but why would they kick the driver out?


ims tarting to thikn there is no answer to this question
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#119 » by DE FENSE » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:00 pm

I can't believe you guys are still spinning your wheels on this 'riddle' knowing that EVEN IF you did get something you could call an ANSWER, you will never know if its really the answer or not.

I will bet that there is no answer, and when the person who knows the secret is on his death bed, and one of his relatives asks him to impart the elusive answer to this riddle that has stumped their family and friends, the dude will laugh and say there is no answer...and say something to the effect of "the riddle is to remind you that no matter how much we think we know, we should always continue our own quest for knowledge and understanding." Or some total bullshyt like that.
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Re: OT: Extremely Tough Riddle Challenge 

Post#120 » by runnyc » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:00 pm

Maybe the road was blocked and the streetcar was forced to go around it, so they had travelled 13 blocks worth even though they only moved 10 blocks from the departure point. When he tried to argue they kicked him out. :dontknow:

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