Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3)

[Grinditout]

None of you guys would sign Lin for 43 million dollars. So why are you asking Dolan to?

Because he has alot more money than the hypothetical 100 million you propose.

[AllanHoustonFan]

hating on JR is just anger mis directed on the wrong person

there is nothing wrong with what he said

lin is getting paid 25 M based on 20-30 game piece of work, whereas others have to put in years of play to get their big time payday (for example, consider a late first rd pick guy who has to play out his standard rookie contract b4 being able to get the big deal)

It isn't JR's place to make those comments to the media. Keep that sh*t in the locker room.

[Lightning25]

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Right now, I'm more curious on who the chick is in your avatar, want to spill the beans?

[Realmatic]

hey look on the bright side, atleast we're making headlines!

[SelbyCobra]

JR is saying Lin is not that good, wouldn't deserve the money, and would deserve spite.

Melo is more or less saying Lin is not that good -- a contract is only "ridiculous" if someone isn't good enough to earn it.

I'm starting to just want to get Lin away from these two guys.

I am afraid I am starting to think the same thing.

Couldn't disagree more with the bolded. I'm 100% certain that if the contract the Knicks were debating was 8/8/8, those comments would not have been made.

The contract structure itself IS ridiculous. Something can be ridiculous for its format alone. If you were told you were getting a job that paid you $48K a year, and you were working year round, but your paychecks were $1K monthly from January through August, but then $7K a month for Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec, you'd say that's ridiculous.

[DocZaius]

At the end of the day, this is what happened:

Lin went for the money.
Dolan refused to shell out the money.
Teammates getting jealous because of the money.

I can't blame any of the people above because you and I both know if we were in their situations, we would have done the same thing.

Then why was Woodson and Grunwald saying "we matching we matching" since the beginning of offseason?

Did they not expect Houston to pull the loophole?? If they didn't they should be fired immediately because we all knew they would, especially since they did it for Asik just a few weeks before

[Stannis]

None of you guys would sign Lin for 43 million dollars. So why are you asking Dolan to?

Because he has alot more money than the hypothetical 100 million you propose.

If we had Dolan's money, yes we would pay Lin.

[GetItDone]

This is how it will work out:

-NY matches and Lin turns into a scrub
-He goes to HOU and becomes a top PG and we are cursed

[ORANGEandBLUE]

So far its the same 4 bastards that I wanted off my team all along

JR, Melo, Isiah, and Woodson

I could sniff it from a mile away

Yeah I mean look at some other players who these guys are connected to:

Woodson is a fan of Joe Johnson and Felton.

Isaiah loves Crawford and Marbury.

These players also have a basic similarity in that they love pounding the ball and taking difficult shots. All inefficient players. Lin's game has more craftiness and sophistication than all of these guys combined, and they hate him for it.

[barborous]

None of you guys would sign Lin for 43 million dollars. So why are you asking Dolan to?

because he has considerably more money to work with, because much of that 43 million dollars is also attributable to various other worse overpaid contracts, because he has a history of shelling out even more money for horrible players and teams and now that he has a chance to get one damn player that actually might have upside he and the knicks organization are acting like petty jackasses.

does that answer your question?

[K_ick_God]

Couldn't disagree more with the bolded. I'm 100% certain that if the contract the Knicks were debating was 8/8/8, those comments would not have been made.

The contract structure itself IS ridiculous. Something can be ridiculous for its format alone. If you were told you were getting a job that paid you $48K a year, and you were working year round, but your paychecks were $1K monthly from January through August, but then $7K a month for Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec, you'd say that's ridiculous.

You're giving Melo credit that he does not deserve. He's not sophisticated about cap matters -- he doesn't understand structure or whatever.

[ZeroStatic2]

Net Daily: If Knicks match on Lin after trading for Felton, how much wud combination of Kidd, Lin and Felton cost in 2015? All would have 3 year deals. 3 minutes ago

Sean Highkin: Jeremy Lin got Knicks bloggers out here asking celebrities for RTs tho 2 minutes ago

[Jose7]

So far its the same 4 bastards that I wanted off my team all along

JR, Melo, Isiah, and Woodson

I could sniff it from a mile away

Yeah I mean look at some other players who these guys are connected to:

Woodson is a fan of Joe Johnson and Felton.

Isaiah loves Crawford and Marbury.

These players also have a basic similarity in that they love pounding the ball and taking difficult shots. All inefficient players. Lin's game has more craftiness and sophistication than all of these guys combined, and they hate him for it.

you can't be that silly?

Please pass whatever you are smoking

[stevieg987]

You're missing the point. My situation is hypothetical. Disregard every player on the team. Blank slate. You have 100 million to spend over three years. Do you spend 43 million on Lin?

His contract is 25 million.

But in 2015 the tax will be very punishing. Lin will cost the Knicks 40 million in 2015 because of the tax.

Disclosure: I want Lin to stay but I understand the hesitation.

By that time we'll know whether this team is a contender or not. If not, start shipping out some of the 110 million dollars or so in expirings we'll have on the books to avoid the tax. Start the rebuild early. Trade Melo/Chandler/Amare for picks, youth and cap relief...And if we're a contender and Lin is the real deal-- we pay the tax with a smile on our faces. It's pretty fcking simples.

It's incomprehensible to let your best (and last) asset go because of a tax hit 3 years away. It's incompetent, and can only be explained by a management thinking completely irrationally (which is par for the course in NYC).

[blumatic]

At the end of the day, this is what happened:

Lin went for the money.
Dolan refused to shell out the money.
Teammates getting jealous because of the money.

I can't blame any of the people above because you and I both know if we were in their situations, we would have done the same thing.

I agree. Athletes of the ilk are built differently especially this day in age. Like Steve Nash said and I paraphrase "Money is a form of respect" Thats why these big names want max dollars.

Lin getting 15 million in that 3rd year can sit well with Tyson who made 14 this past year.

[kosmovitelli]

Thing is, even if Dolan matches, they've wasted resources on Felton.

Again, we were all hypothesizing a 4/$39mil offer. There's nothing surprising about this offer, except the fact perhaps that no one was willing to go the full 4 years.

Not the first time they waste resources and probably not the last !

If the tax mattered that much to Dolan and Grunwald then keeping the amnesty for Amare would have made the most sense : you use the amnesty on Amare in july 2014 and you instantly clear $24.3 million ! No tax problem. It's over. But in order to do that you need to think things through and have a plan...Knicks take it year by year and don't manage their cap or their assets...

[E86]

I'm not asking about the Knicks. It's easy to spend Dolan's money.

This hypothetical team is your own. You have no one on the roster. Blank slate. You have 100 million dollars to spend over 3 years. You have an option to sign Lin for a contract that will cost you 43 million. Do you do it?

If I have only have 100 million to spend then no.

But the Knicks/Dolan's budget is much higher than 100 million, so can you please try to explain how your hypothetical situation connects to the Knicks/Dolan's real life budget regarding the team?

Because the contract is expensive, and it stifles our flexibility even more if that contract becomes untradeable. I don't care if people love Lin. I wouldn't mind Lin's contract getting matched. I guess I've seen too many players getting overhyped on internet messages boards for the last 10 years. Lin didn't even have a full season. So matching Lin's contract is what it is. A really expensive lottery ticket.

[Pharmcat]

luxury tax isnt a reason to lose lin

there is no way ny didnt know all the ramifications considering how many cap experts they have


there really has to be another reason behind the scenes

[barborous]

This is how it will work out:

-NY matches and Lin turns into a scrub
-He goes to HOU and becomes a top PG and we are cursed

isiah's law: young players will become good if and only if they don't come to new york.

[CoolKids]

As opposed to the contract that Amare has. Or the contract that Novak has.
Obviously someone thinks that its a fair contract, because he got offered it.

The rockets also only have one guard uner contract and need to bring something in to give to fans if they cant get dwight. Lin most likely wont live up to that 15 mil in year 3 but he will sell tickets and merch so Houston doesnt have much to lose signing him. Amare is a sunk cost, it was signed years ago his contract shouldnt be a factor for comparison. I see your point with Novak and yes he is over paid. Yes I think we should match the ridiculous contract for Lin as well, in order to give us the best roster we can have but it is still a ridiculous offer.