Melo Trade Thread "Ice Cube Family movie edition"

[NotPhilJackson]

Wait, what happened to D'Angelo Russell?

On my d*ck

Apparently.

Was talking about you...

[knickstape21]

No to Bledsoe. Accomplishes nothing. Tank on!

What tank ?

The young and untalented (other than a couple players) Knicks tank.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

On my d*ck

Apparently.

Was talking about you...

[DOT]

I'm just gonna say, Phoenix has been tanking pretty well while having Bledsoe start for them

Ironically, he's probably what I'd say DSJ will turn out to be

Plus, next year is an even year, so that means he'll only play in 40 games

If we get him and Harkless for Melo, that would be straight up theft for us

A starting lineup of Bledsoe/THJ/Harkless/KP/Willy probably gets us in the low 40s high 30s for wins, and I know for team tank that sounds awful, but Frank would probably develop better playing backup, and we'd still have young prospects at every position

I'm not 100% a fan of getting Bledsoe, as I feel we should let the kids do what they do, but I'm not 100% against it either

[Traveyknicks23]

Yah im off team tank. I start off every year wanting to win. If it gets bad thats when you tank. Time to set up the environment for the young guns now.

And that's the problem. A true rebuild IS needed. Do you like being a treadmill team?

Rather build with the young core than completely tank and establish a losing mentality

[newyorker4ever]

For some reason, as they get closer to trading Melo, I'm getting sad. He wasn't perfect but he's one of the best players in NYK history.

And he wanted to be here. No matter how bad we were/are he was a New York Knick through and through. We all talk about how stars don't wanna come to New York, well we have a star that wanted to be here and wanted to stay here.

[EchelonNYK]

All these other teams are rebuilding while Knicks fans are saying guys are fighting for their jobs. C'mon now, until they realize this, the Knicks will always be a team just outside the range of selecting someone elite.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

That's what taints Melo for me. Dude used Brooklyn against us to get his money. Aight. So I really don't care that we're shipping him out now. We gave up mad **** even if they didn't turn out to be stars.

I agree man. However, in regards to the "what could have been." Stop it. Melo was not a great starting piece. He was a good one but so various other teams had better #1s. Better starting pieces during Melos career include:

Kobe
Duncan
KG
LeBron
Dirk
Wade
CP3
Pierce
Kidd
TMac
Vince
Nash
Durant
George
Pau
Prime Rose
Westbrook
Prime Dwight
Prime Roy

There's more that I could list but these are some of the no-brainers. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that they had better careers than Melo or were better than Melo every single year. Some are younger. At some point though, all of these guys were just better. If you're going to have a "what could of been" moment, at least acknowledge that the odds of Melo ever being a champion were slim.

This is misleading. Anthony has been in the league for 13 years. This makes it seem like all these guys were in their prime at the same time. And what's interesting is out of all the names on the list only half of them have won a championship.

And, aside from Duncan, the ones who did win a championship did it only when paired with another player on the list. Kobe/Pau, Dirk/Kidd, KG/Pierce, LeBron/Wade...

I've never been one to argue that Melo was as good as LeBron, Kobe, Dirk, or Wade, but the fact remains that he never had a championship calibre team around him, especially not in NY.

[Traveyknicks23]

No to Bledsoe. Accomplishes nothing. Tank on!

What tank ?

The young and untalented (other than a couple players) Knicks tank.

Fairly young team think the Knicks want these guys to compete and not sell off every asset they have just to tank

[newyorker4ever]

Sources: Knicks and Rockets inching closer and closer to deal. Teams are now "at the one yard line."

The question is......are we gonna score a TD or stuck with a field goal. That will depend on the return.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

All these other teams are rebuilding while Knicks fans are saying guys are fighting for their jobs. C'mon now, until they realize this, the Knicks will always be a team just outside the range of selecting someone elite.

Given the lousy luck the Knicks have with the lottery, they almost have to have the top 3 worst record to assure themselves of just staying in the top 5.

[F N 11]

Yah im off team tank. I start off every year wanting to win. If it gets bad thats when you tank. Time to set up the environment for the young guns now.

And that's the problem. A true rebuild IS needed. Do you like being a treadmill team?

Rather build with the young core than completely tank and establish a losing mentality

what he said ^

Tired of this losing mentality chit. If you dont see KP as the future then too bad. We still dont even know how good Frank can be. Willy had the best PER since Shaq. Hardaway averaged 18 with shooting numbers similar to Klay. Let the boys roll. I dont think it was a fluke Horny won so many games in the west his first year. Lets set up the Hardworking,unselfish, and defensive environment we desperately need.

[louieOrr]

It makes me sad too. What could have been if we only could have got him as a fee agent instead of that trade. Whats done is done. Time to move on.

That's what taints Melo for me. Dude used Brooklyn against us to get his money. Aight. So I really don't care that we're shipping him out now. We gave up mad **** even if they didn't turn out to be stars.

I agree man. However, in regards to the "what could have been." Stop it. Melo was not a great starting piece. He was a good one but so various other teams had better #1s. Better starting pieces during Melos career include:

Kobe
Duncan
KG
LeBron
Dirk
Wade
CP3
Pierce
Kidd
TMac
Vince
Nash
Durant
George
Pau
Prime Rose
Westbrook
Prime Dwight
Prime Roy

There's more that I could list but these are some of the no-brainers. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that they had better careers than Melo or were better than Melo every single year. Some are younger. At some point though, all of these guys were just better. If you're going to have a "what could of been" moment, at least acknowledge that the odds of Melo ever being a champion were slim.

I'm looking at this from a Knick perspective only. What could have been for the Knicks. I couldent care less about what could have been for Melo, had it not been tied to the Knicks.

[putiger78]

The way I see things is that Houston is looking to do two things as part of this deal... get Melo AND unload Anderson. Obviously, the Anderson contract is a necessity to include to make the money work in any deal. Before the Melo talks, the asking price for teams to take Anderson was two 1sts, so the cost to get Melo AND unload Anderson has to be really high, even with Melo's diminished value. Because the Rockets really don't have ANY meaningful assets after the Paul trade, I have to assume that both picks (20 and 22) and a 21 pick swap are on the table.

I assume that if the trade were the picks and expirings (even those expiring in two years), this deal would be done in a straight up deal. However, I am assuming we balked at taking Anderson even to get those two picks. So now, these extra teams are involved to try ad find someone that finds taking Anderson less odious than we do (the Blazers are the obvious candidate because they have so many 3-year deals to medicore players.

With Portland, if they are willing to trade Harkless and take Anderson, that is really unfair. So what are they getting? I have to assume they want to get rid of Crabbe or Turner, who maybe are more attractive than Anderson to someone (the 4th team?). So then you have Harkless + Crabbe/Turner for Anderson.... does that work for them to get the salary relief or do they want some kind of asset in addition? Do they want one of Houston's two picks, now making our deal look worse.

Now we need a 4th team, someone who potentially is willing to take Crabbe or Turner (but wouldn't take Anderson), might be willing to send out an asset that we want (all of a sudden, our return isn't as good because Portland is grabbing one of Houston's picks or some other asset), but is going to want real assets to do this (one of Houston's picks, someone's expirings, some other player).

It's so damn complicated. Why? Go back to the beginning... Houston is looking to get the best player and dump the worst contract in all these discussions, but have really minimal assets after the Paul trade. Doesn't make them a good trade partner. Houston is trying to satisfy the contrasting needs of three teams and somehow create value out of thin air. It is no surprise this is taking forever.

[knickstape21]

Sources: Knicks and Rockets inching closer and closer to deal. Teams are now "at the one yard line."

The question is......are we gonna score a TD or stuck with a field goal. That will depend on the return.

We might go for it on 4th down and not convert..

[NotPhilJackson]

For some reason, as they get closer to trading Melo, I'm getting sad. He wasn't perfect but he's one of the best players in NYK history.

And he wanted to be here. No matter how bad we were/are he was a New York Knick through and through. We all talk about how stars don't wanna come to New York, well we have a star that wanted to be here and wanted to stay here.

Don't start getting sentimental. Carmelo definitely has my respect as a Knick but any real fan will know he did not do his best to bring a championship to NY. Whether it be buying into coaches systems, using his excellent passing ability to it's actual potential, playing defense, trying to create a true team environment ... He failed us. Just like the FO failed him. Time to send him to a situation we should have BEEN developing here. A high IQ point guard and a true & consistent secondary scoring option. He will thrive, so will we. Win - win. No hard feelings. Bye Melo..

[putiger78]

The way I see things is that Houston is looking to do two things as part of this deal... get Melo AND unload Anderson. Obviously, the Anderson contract is a necessity to include to make the money work in any deal. Before the Melo talks, the asking price for teams to take Anderson was two 1sts, so the cost to get Melo AND unload Anderson has to be really high, even with Melo's diminished value. Because the Rockets really don't have ANY meaningful assets after the Paul trade, I have to assume that both picks (20 and 22) and a 21 pick swap are on the table.

I assume that if the trade were the picks and expirings (even those expiring in two years), this deal would be done in a straight up deal. However, I am assuming we balked at taking Anderson even to get those two picks. So now, these extra teams are involved to try ad find someone that finds taking Anderson less odious than we do (the Blazers are the obvious candidate because they have so many 3-year deals to medicore players.

With Portland, if they are willing to trade Harkless and take Anderson, that is really unfair. So what are they getting? I have to assume they want to get rid of Crabbe or Turner, who maybe are more attractive than Anderson to someone (the 4th team?). So then you have Harkless + Crabbe/Turner for Anderson.... does that work for them to get the salary relief or do they want some kind of asset in addition? Do they want one of Houston's two picks, now making our deal look worse.

Now we need a 4th team, someone who potentially is willing to take Crabbe or Turner (but wouldn't take Anderson), might be willing to send out an asset that we want (all of a sudden, our return isn't as good because Portland is grabbing one of Houston's picks or some other asset), but is going to want real assets to do this (one of Houston's picks, someone's expirings, some other player).

It's so damn complicated. Why? Go back to the beginning... Houston is looking to get the best player and dump the worst contract in all these discussions, but have really minimal assets after the Paul trade. Doesn't make them a good trade partner. Houston is trying to satisfy the contrasting needs of three teams and somehow create value out of thin air. It is no surprise this is taking forever.

[EchelonNYK]

The Knicks are in need of another elite young prospect to along with KP. And i don't believe Frank is that prospect.

[Traveyknicks23]

The Knicks are in need of a another elite young prospect to along with KP. And i don't believe Frank is that prospect.

Gotta give him a chance first bruh it's only July chill b

[thebuzzardman]

Sources: Knicks and Rockets inching closer and closer to deal. Teams are now "at the one yard line."

The question is......are we gonna score a TD or stuck with a field goal. That will depend on the return.

Field Goal attempt that is blocked