[2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36

[Dave DaButcher]

You can still project/estimate. You'd like to see a certain baseline even at 18. I am still in favor of taking Knox FTR.

Not every young player overcomes those IQ issues; it's simply not a guarantee. JaVale McGee didn't develop KG's defensive IQ. It's not fair to assume that in three years Knox will be as smart a player as Bridges is. That's why he's a risk. Yes, he will improve, but you don't know if it'll remain a weakness or if he'll improve it enough to the point where it's acceptable.

Exactly right in that we have no idea if he'll ever get the BBIQ of Bridges....hence the risk in drafting an 18 year old kid. You way the potential vs the now or ceiling if comparing to Bridges and assess if you can tolerate the risk.

But a lot of us on team Mikal feel that he has a comparable ceiling to Knox, if not an even higher one cause of his defense, and he's further along in his development

So imo, there's no reason to draft Knox over Mikal

My view, FWIW - I don’t think anyone would dispute that Mikal will be the superior player on day one. In fact, it likely won’t even be close. But that’s irrelevant for us (and arguably counterproductive to the rebuild).

But a couple things concern me about him. First of all is his frame. He’s really narrow at the shoulders, with skinny legs. That could limit him positionally. Knox on the other hand looks like he could pack a lot of muscle on ultimately after he dives into the Frankie N. training program.

Second, I am highly skeptical based on what I’ve seen and given his age that Mikal will ever become creative with the ball. I recognize that Knox isn’t either right now. But he looks skilled enough and is young enough to make me optimistic he can get there.

Lastly, Knox has a reputation for being soft that I’m not sure is warranted. He played football until he shot up, suggesting he can take a hit. His dad obviously has an ample supply of toughness.

So, while acknowledging that Knox has flaws, as do all the prospects in our range (and all in this draft for that matter), he could have one of the highest ceilings of all these kids. Given our timeline, and assuming Fiz and the FO feel good about Knox after all their due diligence, I like the pick at 9.

[Oscirus]

and monk swore up and down he was going to NY.

is it cal?

Didn't Monk also have his suit lined with Ny stuff?

[NBA Fan 1234]

Not really, I wasn't favoring anyone when going through this. I went in with an open mind. I'm sure I missed some strengths/weaknesses on both sides but I probably felt like they weren't important enough in terms of making an impact in the league or that they can easily improve it.

Breaking it down to its simplest terms, that's really not that bad. I'd add a few things and maybe take away a few others, but for 5 hours of work not bad at all.

Knox is a consensus top 10 pick and this guy has NOTHING, not ONE thing positive to say...like zero, zilch lol, absolutely no redeemable quality, why on earth is he even in the draft...LOL

That does not mean what he said was wrong. Like I said, I'd add a few things and take away a few others, but the grasp itself for such a short time is not bad.

[KnickLeDime]

This reads like you cherry pick what attributes you want to assign to people to fit your narrative...guys you favor you minimize their negatives and guys you don't want to make them bigger than they are.

Just saying!

Not really, I wasn't favoring anyone when going through this. I went in with an open mind. I'm sure I missed some strengths/weaknesses on both sides but I probably felt like they weren't important enough in terms of making an impact in the league or that they can easily improve it.

You literally just put all weaknesses on Knox. I have a hard time believing you weren't favoring anybody.

Exactly right, no doubt that 5-hour exercise started with...let's see how I can convince everyone to hate Knox. Kid is a consensus top 10 pick in the NBA draft and this guy couldn't find even ONE redeemable quality in him...not even one!

[DOT]

and monk swore up and down he was going to NY.

is it cal?

yeah didn't monk where the watch inferring he was going to the knicks???

that was mills wasn't it...which is why im scared **** of this pick.

He said the team drafting him had orange as one of its colors

I think we told him he had a good workout or something, and he heard Cal saying we should draft him, and thought that meant we were. I don't think Mills would've told somebody we were drafting them, especially when Phil had total control

[stuporman]

Mikal might only become a rich man's Lance Thomas..... well, proportioned to the difference between a Benz G-wagen to a Volvo station wagon. He could become a game impacting super glue guy along the lines of what Draymond Green means to the Warriors and what every winning team needs.

Although, that still means the Knicks would be looking for a star quality player to pair with KP, Frank is likely closer to what Mikal brings than to being a star quality player. THJr is a 3rd option at best with his streakiness and poor defense, Trey is a bench scorer so they'd still be searching.

[KnickLeDime]

Breaking it down to its simplest terms, that's really not that bad. I'd add a few things and maybe take away a few others, but for 5 hours of work not bad at all.

Knox is a consensus top 10 pick and this guy has NOTHING, not ONE thing positive to say...like zero, zilch lol, absolutely no redeemable quality, why on earth is he even in the draft...LOL

That does not mean what he said was wrong. Like I said, I'd add a few things and take away a few others, but the grasp itself for such a short time is not bad.

They guy goes on to support his position that Knox is the worst of the bunch and never gives him a fair shake...you're welcome to subscribe to his analysis.

[DOT]

Not really, I wasn't favoring anyone when going through this. I went in with an open mind. I'm sure I missed some strengths/weaknesses on both sides but I probably felt like they weren't important enough in terms of making an impact in the league or that they can easily improve it.

You literally just put all weaknesses on Knox. I have a hard time believing you weren't favoring anybody.

Exactly right, no doubt that 5-hour exercise started with...let's see how I can convince everyone to hate Knox. Kid is a consensus top 10 pick in the NBA draft and this guy couldn't find even ONE redeemable quality in him...not even one!

Just cause you keep saying he's a consensus top 10 pick doesn't mean he is

He was borderline out of the lottery according to most people 2 weeks ago

[BowlRips]

Source: Knox met with NYK 3 times. All indications he’s been given have been that he’s the selection


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I'm assuming your source is on Knox's side (agent, family, player himself, etc), because the Knicks' front office has been unbelievably tight-lipped. I haven't gotten a single peep from them, and I've spoken with plenty of them since November.

yup. been getting pretty good info these days

[Jeff Van Gully]

Read on Twitter

LOL

zoinks.

that shot must still be looking crazy.

[F N 11]

Look out for whoever got the Dark red suit on.

[Fat]

SGA bandwagon filling up quickly. Come one, come all. We got vacancy

Im cool with that pick too. All i want is a contributor with good - great upside and thats pretty much everyone we been talking about throughout these whole discussions

[Deeeez Knicks]

Either way, gonna have to crack open some 9% beers tonight

[KnickLeDime]

Exactly right in that we have no idea if he'll ever get the BBIQ of Bridges....hence the risk in drafting an 18 year old kid. You way the potential vs the now or ceiling if comparing to Bridges and assess if you can tolerate the risk.

But a lot of us on team Mikal feel that he has a comparable ceiling to Knox, if not an even higher one cause of his defense, and he's further along in his development

So imo, there's no reason to draft Knox over Mikal

My view, FWIW - I don’t think anyone would dispute that Mikal will be the superior player on day one. In fact, it likely won’t even be close. But that’s irrelevant for us (and arguably counterproductive to the rebuild).

But a couple things concern me about him. First of all is his frame. He’s really narrow at the shoulders, with skinny legs. That could limit him positionally. Knox on the other hand looks like he could pack a lot of muscle on ultimately after he dives into the Frankie N. training program.

Second, I am highly skeptical based on what I’ve seen and given his age that Mikal will ever become creative with the ball. I recognize that Knox isn’t either right now. But he looks skilled enough and is young enough to make me optimistic he can get there.

Lastly, Knox has a reputation for being soft that I’m not sure is warranted. He played football until he shot up, suggesting he can take a hit. His dad obviously has an ample supply of toughness.

So, while acknowledging that Knox has flaws, as do all the prospects in our range (and all in this draft for that matter), he could have one of the highest ceilings of all these kids. Given our timeline, and assuming Fiz and the FO feel good about Knox after all their due diligence, I like the pick at 9.

Great post...

[MP4LIFE]

This reads like you cherry pick what attributes you want to assign to people to fit your narrative...guys you favor you minimize their negatives and guys you don't want to make them bigger than they are.

Just saying!

Not really, I wasn't favoring anyone when going through this. I went in with an open mind. I'm sure I missed some strengths/weaknesses on both sides but I probably felt like they weren't important enough in terms of making an impact in the league or that they can easily improve it.

You literally just put all weaknesses on Knox. I have a hard time believing you weren't favoring anybody.

That's good on you, brother.

I had no idea about Knox before I looked into him.

Dude has some athleticism but that's about it. There is literally not one thing that he does great. I know he is young and every single young guy has 'potential' on this forum but I didn't even see one thing he could be great at. He plays lazy and with low IQ. I don't want that type of player on this roster. You can't improve drive and IQ. You can improve your game, though. Which is why I rank every other prospect much higher.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Because everyone is saying "well, let's compare Knox's Synergy numbers to Mikal's numbers as a freshman..."

Mikal, 98th percentile on offense, 57th catch and shoot (87th guarded), 91st in transition with a 4.4% turnover rate total and 7.7% as the lead man, and 99th percentile around the basket. 68th off ball and 70th oREB.

Knox - 69th percentile on offense, 44th on catch & shoot (33rd guarded), 49th in transition with a 19% turnover rate overall and a 23.3% turnover rate as lead man, 62nd around the basket, 58th off ball, and 65th oREB.

[mpharris36]

and monk swore up and down he was going to NY.

is it cal?

yeah didn't monk where the watch inferring he was going to the knicks???

that was mills wasn't it...which is why im scared **** of this pick.

He said the team drafting him had orange as one of its colors

I think we told him he had a good workout or something, and he heard Cal saying we should draft him, and thought that meant we were. I don't think Mills would've told somebody we were drafting them, especially when Phil had total control

agreed, mills probably didn't say we were def drafting him but Mills was supposedly was the one high on monk and told him they thought very highly of him...which still scares the sh*t out of me.

Honestly, Knox seems like a taller version of Malik Monk.

[3toheadmelo]

Read on Twitter

LOL

zoinks.

that shot must still be looking crazy.

i was just reading that they said this whole thing with his shot was all mental.... not cause of his injury

[shtolky]

Knox definitely seems like a Knicks-type pick..... and not in a good way

A Knicks type pick like KP and Frank?

More like Frye, Balkman, Mardy Collins, Jordan Hill, Michael Sweetney, Cleanthony Early and Frederic Weis

I mean if you're gonna go back to 2003 and use 2nd round picks I can include Ewing, Jackson, Ariza, Lee, etc. Take a look at the utter trash taken after Wade in 2003. Jordan Hill, crap pick, yes. Weis, inexcusable. The 2005 draft with Frye also atrocious. Point is, not sure what a Knicks pick is considering our last two, and especially KP obviously, have been very good. This draft seems more difficult than others in terms of projecting how these players will translate and I think the Knox hate and Mikal love is a bit extreme on both ends. As I said earlier, taking Knox over Mikal wouldn't be like taking Weis over Artest.

[SmoothLefty21]

Everybody knew big who dont play D was going out of style except the sixers.

Yet in four hours the top two picks will be big men with major question marks on the defensive end of the floor.

These bigs are wayyyyyyyyy more versatile than Jah was when he came out.

I agree, I'm not discussing their versatility though. Solely their defensive concerns.