2020-2021 College/Draft thread 1

[knickstape4ever]

intrigued by Marcus Bagley w/ 1 of our later picks. we need shooting

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[HEZI]

This is another reason I prefer Cade as my 1st choice. His playing style is less reckless and Cade is not likely to be as injury prone as Suggs.

Looks like he just rolled his ankle it wasnt a reckless play at all

Yeah, but in general his playing style isn’t as conducive to longevity as Cade. Don’t get me wrong, I like Suggs but I still have Cade ahead of him on my board at this point.

Currently I got Suggs ahead of him and with Cade he can still create separation from the others but he still hasn't had that big of a showing to just rank him ahead based on hype coming into the year. So just going off of their play up to this point I got Suggs ahead of him.

[2010]

Looks like he just rolled his ankle it wasnt a reckless play at all

Yeah, but in general his playing style isn’t as conducive to longevity as Cade. Don’t get me wrong, I like Suggs but I still have Cade ahead of him on my board at this point.

Currently I got Suggs ahead of him and with Cade he can still create separation from the others but he still hasn't had that big of a showing to just rank him ahead based on hype coming into the year. So just going off of their play up to this point I got Suggs ahead of him.

Cade may not ever wow anyone with the eye test or quick twitch attributes, but peep this:
18.7 PTS
6.7 REB
3.0 AST
1.7 STL
1.0 BLK
51% FG
38% 3P
81% FT

That kind of all-around freshman production screams franchise changer. I project similar across the board impact at the pro level too cuz the floor will only be more spaced and he'll have better teammates and that will be reflected in a more impressive assist-to-turnover ratio. Dude is just gonna be a winner and a leader. And if he stays at the 1, his length will bother other PGs too.

[HEZI]

Yeah, but in general his playing style isn’t as conducive to longevity as Cade. Don’t get me wrong, I like Suggs but I still have Cade ahead of him on my board at this point.

Currently I got Suggs ahead of him and with Cade he can still create separation from the others but he still hasn't had that big of a showing to just rank him ahead based on hype coming into the year. So just going off of their play up to this point I got Suggs ahead of him.

Cade may not ever wow anyone with the eye test or quick twitch attributes, but peep this:
18.7 PTS
6.7 REB
3.0 AST
1.7 STL
1.0 BLK
51% FG
38% 3P
81% FT

That kind of all-around freshman production screams franchise changer. I project similar across the board impact at the pro level too cuz the floor will only be more spaced and he'll have better teammates and that will be reflected in a more impressive assist-to-turnover ratio. Dude is just gonna be a winner and a leader. And if he stays at the 1, his length will bother other PGs too.

I like Cade a lot and everything you said I can agree with but again he hasn't created that separation where he it's him and then the rest of the class. His numbers are solid but not that special considering they haven't played one ranked team yet and he's playing a ton of minutes. Regardless of the comp you can still see his talent and his potential so yeah for sure I'm buying him becoming a stud on the next level. However, I'm also buying Suggs being the same thing. I see Suggs having that same type of franchise changing potential and becoming a star. So at that point it becomes about preference. There's just certain qualities in Suggs that I just like a lot more. But I'm in no way trying to discredit Cade, if we are able to walk away with one of the two after the draft then it's a success. I think both of them are going to be big time on the next level. We likely aren't getting either with the 8th pick though

Need some risers, need Jalen Green and Kuminga and JJ from Duke to kill it this year so the chances of us landing somebody good increases.

[ibraheim718]

My only issue with Cade over Suggs for the Knicks is fit. Cade plays in some of the spots as Barrett does on the floor. And then we're still looking for someone who can break down the defense off the dribble which Suggs is great at. I would question Suggs' durability if he hadn't been a four star football recruit.. which I think Lebron was. They are just naturally going to be more durable and have a higher threshold for pain.

Otherwise, Suggs can operate in his own areas of the court which is the top and penetrating the paint. Suggs projects to be a better 3pt shooter than Cade does also so he's fine playing off the ball the way he did last night in the 2nd half. Suggs is also a better defender he can defend on ball and apply pressure at the top of the key and he's good at anticipating where the ball is going to be passed so he's quick on rotations.

But when you get into the intangibles is where Suggs really impresses me more than Cunningham. Suggs brings a toughness and intensity with his game that I think we haven't had in a long time. I've been looking for flaws in his game which I'm sure once he faces some more adversity but so far I haven't found one. I guess maybe they say he's cocky or whatever.. but that's only an issue if you can't perform.

[RShahNyC89]

My only issue with Cade over Suggs for the Knicks is fit. Cade plays in some of the spots as Barrett does on the floor. And then we're still looking for someone who can break down the defense off the dribble which Suggs is great at. I would question Suggs' durability if he hadn't been a four star football recruit.. which I think Lebron was. They are just naturally going to be more durable and have a higher threshold for pain.

Otherwise, Suggs can operate in his own areas of the court which is the top and penetrating the paint. Suggs projects to be a better 3pt shooter than Cade does also so he's fine playing off the ball the way he did last night in the 2nd half. Suggs is also a better defender he can defend on ball and apply pressure at the top of the key and he's good at anticipating where the ball is going to be passed so he's quick on rotations.

But when you get into the intangibles is where Suggs really impresses me more than Cunningham. Suggs brings a toughness and intensity with his game that I think we haven't had in a long time. I've been looking for flaws in his game which I'm sure once he faces some more adversity but so far I haven't found one. I guess maybe they say he's cocky or whatever.. but that's only an issue if you can't perform.

Honestly I think Cade projects out as the most complete player in the draft and we should take BPA.

Cades size, passing, rebounding, shooting and feel are top notch. I’ve been super impressed with how easy the game looks for him.

[2010]

My only issue with Cade over Suggs for the Knicks is fit. Cade plays in some of the spots as Barrett does on the floor. And then we're still looking for someone who can break down the defense off the dribble which Suggs is great at. I would question Suggs' durability if he hadn't been a four star football recruit.. which I think Lebron was. They are just naturally going to be more durable and have a higher threshold for pain.

Otherwise, Suggs can operate in his own areas of the court which is the top and penetrating the paint. Suggs projects to be a better 3pt shooter than Cade does also so he's fine playing off the ball the way he did last night in the 2nd half. Suggs is also a better defender he can defend on ball and apply pressure at the top of the key and he's good at anticipating where the ball is going to be passed so he's quick on rotations.

But when you get into the intangibles is where Suggs really impresses me more than Cunningham. Suggs brings a toughness and intensity with his game that I think we haven't had in a long time. I've been looking for flaws in his game which I'm sure once he faces some more adversity but so far I haven't found one. I guess maybe they say he's cocky or whatever.. but that's only an issue if you can't perform.

Compelling argument from the Suggs side. Looking forward to those two being critiqued and compared as the season continues on.

[ibraheim718]

My only issue with Cade over Suggs for the Knicks is fit. Cade plays in some of the spots as Barrett does on the floor. And then we're still looking for someone who can break down the defense off the dribble which Suggs is great at. I would question Suggs' durability if he hadn't been a four star football recruit.. which I think Lebron was. They are just naturally going to be more durable and have a higher threshold for pain.

Otherwise, Suggs can operate in his own areas of the court which is the top and penetrating the paint. Suggs projects to be a better 3pt shooter than Cade does also so he's fine playing off the ball the way he did last night in the 2nd half. Suggs is also a better defender he can defend on ball and apply pressure at the top of the key and he's good at anticipating where the ball is going to be passed so he's quick on rotations.

But when you get into the intangibles is where Suggs really impresses me more than Cunningham. Suggs brings a toughness and intensity with his game that I think we haven't had in a long time. I've been looking for flaws in his game which I'm sure once he faces some more adversity but so far I haven't found one. I guess maybe they say he's cocky or whatever.. but that's only an issue if you can't perform.

Compelling argument from the Suggs side. Looking forward to those two being critiqued and compared as the season continues on.

I take either one or any combination of the other wings/guards. With Cade you can just attack defenses from the wings on side PnR's with him or Barrett. Cade is the better pick and roll player also.. he's a maestro at it already at 18. Cunningham also a better rebounder and is sneaky good at making timely defensive plays. It's a comparison of raw aggression (Suggs) to a smooth player who makes everything look easy (Cunningham). In the NBA Cunningham projects to be the primary ball handler which isn't what he's doing right now but he's the type of player where it doesn't make sense to take the ball out of his hands or not let him control the game. The relationship between Suggs and Knicks fans would be fun to see though. He would own MSG from day 1. Le't see if it happens though.. we have several months to wait and hope things break our way. This would make up for missing out on Steph Curry too.

[DOT]

Excited to see how Mobley does against my Huskies tonight

Be a real test for our bigs who I think are just alright.

[HEZI]

Mobley looks like somebody I wouldn't touch with a top pick

Not impressed at all whatsoever

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Mobley getting frozen out on offense a bit after getting a couple of buckets early.

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Mobley looks like somebody I wouldn't touch with a top pick

Not impressed at all whatsoever

I feel that way about Boston, but I like what I've seen from Mobley so far. He has shown plus offensive feel (offensive awareness/passing) that I didn't see in someone like Wiseman, but there are certain limitations that I'm noticing and I'm wondering how much of a factor those actually are when I go to project his impact at the NBA level.

[DOT]

Mobley looks like somebody I wouldn't touch with a top pick

Not impressed at all whatsoever

I feel that way about Boston, but I like what I've seen from Mobley so far. He has shown plus offensive feel (offensive awareness/passing) that I didn't see in someone like Wiseman, but there are certain limitations that I'm noticing and I'm wondering how much of a factor those actually are when I go to project his impact at the NBA level.

He's just been completely neutralized when we put Carlton on him. Think it's a factor of him just not being all that strong, so he's having trouble posting up. Then when we have the smaller Whaley on him, he gets doubled immediately on getting the ball in the post

He's been good at passing out of doubles and keeping the ball moving, which is always good, but I agree with HEZI about him not being a top pick based off this game so far.

[HEZI]

Mobley looks like somebody I wouldn't touch with a top pick

Not impressed at all whatsoever

I feel that way about Boston, but I like what I've seen from Mobley so far. He has shown plus offensive feel (offensive awareness/passing) that I didn't see in someone like Wiseman, but there are certain limitations that I'm noticing and I'm wondering how much of a factor those actually are when I go to project his impact at the NBA level.

No way is this kid on Wiseman's level. Wiseman would come down the lane and just carve out so much space and he was a beast on the glass. This dude looks thin and soft and his motor looks awful, he moves around so slow.

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Mobley looks like somebody I wouldn't touch with a top pick

Not impressed at all whatsoever

I feel that way about Boston, but I like what I've seen from Mobley so far. He has shown plus offensive feel (offensive awareness/passing) that I didn't see in someone like Wiseman, but there are certain limitations that I'm noticing and I'm wondering how much of a factor those actually are when I go to project his impact at the NBA level.

He's just been completely neutralized when we put Carlton on him. Think it's a factor of him just not being all that strong, so he's having trouble posting up. Then when we have the smaller Whaley on him, he gets doubled immediately on getting the ball in the post

He's been good at passing out of doubles and keeping the ball moving, which is always good, but I agree with HEZI about him not being a top pick based off this game so far.

Yeah, he definitely isn't strong, but I expect he will gain more weight over time. I don't view him as a 1st option, though, and that shouldn't be where he's creating his value, IMO. So in that respect, yeah, he will not impress if you're watching this game expecting him to post up and dominate. Granted, Peterson on USC has been ballhogging a bit too much and Mobley went a long strecth without really touching the ball. I think he has shown that he is patient and not going to force something that isn't there or that he isn't capable of making happen, which is solid trait to have. I see more of his value coming from taking what the defense gives you and making the right read there as big, which I find valuable if it can be paired with defensive competence. UCONN has done a good job on him defensively, but USC is also a bit talent deficient, IMO.

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Mobley looks like somebody I wouldn't touch with a top pick

Not impressed at all whatsoever

I feel that way about Boston, but I like what I've seen from Mobley so far. He has shown plus offensive feel (offensive awareness/passing) that I didn't see in someone like Wiseman, but there are certain limitations that I'm noticing and I'm wondering how much of a factor those actually are when I go to project his impact at the NBA level.

No way is this kid on Wiseman's level. Wiseman would come down the lane and just carve out so much space and he was a beast on the glass. This dude looks thin and soft and his motor looks awful, he moves around so slow.

If you're just talking about posting up, then sure.

[HEZI]

This dude sucks

[Tron Carter]

My only issue with Cade over Suggs for the Knicks is fit. Cade plays in some of the spots as Barrett does on the floor. And then we're still looking for someone who can break down the defense off the dribble which Suggs is great at. I would question Suggs' durability if he hadn't been a four star football recruit.. which I think Lebron was. They are just naturally going to be more durable and have a higher threshold for pain.

Otherwise, Suggs can operate in his own areas of the court which is the top and penetrating the paint. Suggs projects to be a better 3pt shooter than Cade does also so he's fine playing off the ball the way he did last night in the 2nd half. Suggs is also a better defender he can defend on ball and apply pressure at the top of the key and he's good at anticipating where the ball is going to be passed so he's quick on rotations.

But when you get into the intangibles is where Suggs really impresses me more than Cunningham. Suggs brings a toughness and intensity with his game that I think we haven't had in a long time. I've been looking for flaws in his game which I'm sure once he faces some more adversity but so far I haven't found one. I guess maybe they say he's cocky or whatever.. but that's only an issue if you can't perform.

Compelling argument from the Suggs side. Looking forward to those two being critiqued and compared as the season continues on.

I’d kill for either of these guys. Man, I don’t think I even wanted Zion on the Knicks more then these dudes.

[JBreezeNY]

My only issue with Cade over Suggs for the Knicks is fit. Cade plays in some of the spots as Barrett does on the floor. And then we're still looking for someone who can break down the defense off the dribble which Suggs is great at. I would question Suggs' durability if he hadn't been a four star football recruit.. which I think Lebron was. They are just naturally going to be more durable and have a higher threshold for pain.

Otherwise, Suggs can operate in his own areas of the court which is the top and penetrating the paint. Suggs projects to be a better 3pt shooter than Cade does also so he's fine playing off the ball the way he did last night in the 2nd half. Suggs is also a better defender he can defend on ball and apply pressure at the top of the key and he's good at anticipating where the ball is going to be passed so he's quick on rotations.

But when you get into the intangibles is where Suggs really impresses me more than Cunningham. Suggs brings a toughness and intensity with his game that I think we haven't had in a long time. I've been looking for flaws in his game which I'm sure once he faces some more adversity but so far I haven't found one. I guess maybe they say he's cocky or whatever.. but that's only an issue if you can't perform.

Compelling argument from the Suggs side. Looking forward to those two being critiqued and compared as the season continues on.

I’d kill for either of these guys. Man, I don’t think I even wanted Zion on the Knicks more then these dudes.

Oh wow...that’s some high praise then

Not gonna lie I haven’t seen anything “special” from Cade but he does play like a leader, does the little things, commands respect.

It’s still early though so my mind can change.

[DOT]

What an ugly game lol