Shams: Jalen Brunson to New York on 4 year/$104m deal

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I'm not really sure that the Knicks want to do a snt deal for Brunson. I guess either side would be happy to have a trade exception, but both sides can't get that.

Maybe the Mavs would like Rose or Fournier??? Probably both sides would be happy to remove the protection on the Mavs 23 pick, or maybe change it to top 3 or whatever.

But I don't see the Knicks wanting Dwight Powell or Bertans. Or Dinwiddie in place of Fournier.

Like thebuzzardman was suggesting, it's hard to see exactly how the Knicks would use a 18m exception in a way that would be more efficient than just keeping Fournier or Rose. Maybe they'd just sit on it until December or this time next year.

The Archidiacano and Taj moves are just what we anticipated. I don't see they signify anything in particular, except keeping the Knicks's options open for a few days.

[stuporman]

The Mavs pick is protected top 10... explain to me again how removing the protections is supposed to be an asset? Does anyone really think the Mavs are going to be bad enough that this protection is something that might happen?

Even in the situation that it's dangled as an 'unprotected pick' in a trade the team looking at that pick is going to presume it's in the 20s even if the protection is magically lifted. If the Mavs want to sign and trade they have to give up something, not nothing pretending to be something.

[WargamesX]

The Mavs pick is protected top 10... explain to me again how removing the protections is supposed to be an asset? Does anyone really think the Mavs are going to be bad enough that this protection is something that might happen?

Even in the situation that it's dangled as an 'unprotected pick' in a trade the team looking at that pick is going to presume it's in the 20s even if the protection is magically lifted. If the Mavs want to sign and trade they have to give up something, not nothing pretending to be something.

Not wishing an injury on Luka… but they do happen. That’s why protections are the wave and everybody does it. Personally I see the Knicks demanding a second rounder, but waiving the protection isn’t completely “nothing” either.

[stuporman]

The Mavs pick is protected top 10... explain to me again how removing the protections is supposed to be an asset? Does anyone really think the Mavs are going to be bad enough that this protection is something that might happen?

Even in the situation that it's dangled as an 'unprotected pick' in a trade the team looking at that pick is going to presume it's in the 20s even if the protection is magically lifted. If the Mavs want to sign and trade they have to give up something, not nothing pretending to be something.

Not wishing an injury on Luka… but they do happen. That’s why protections are the wave and everybody does it. Personally I see the Knicks demanding a second rounder, but waiving the protection isn’t completely “nothing” either.

Even without Luka that team isn't bottom 10 unless they fall to bottom of the lottery because of a Luka injury and the lottery balls bounce them into the top 10, it's pretty much a nothingburger.

[The Lamma]

This is interesting. Vegasinsider and Fanduel Sportbook have RJ and Brunson at #2 and #3 for best odds to win Most Improved Player award next year.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/most-improved/

[Reign23]

This is interesting. Vegasinsider and Fanduel Sportbook have RJ and Brunson at #2 and #3 for best odds to win Most Improved Player award next year.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/most-improved/

oh lord, chanel writing an essay right now.

[Clyde_Style]

This is interesting. Vegasinsider and Fanduel Sportbook have RJ and Brunson at #2 and #3 for best odds to win Most Improved Player award next year.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/most-improved/

oh lord, chanel writing an essay right now.

I just notified Pierre Trudeau we will soon be out of trees in the lower 48 and to get ready to pulp them branches for Chanel’s essays

[thebuzzardman]

This is interesting. Vegasinsider and Fanduel Sportbook have RJ and Brunson at #2 and #3 for best odds to win Most Improved Player award next year.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/most-improved/

oh lord, chanel writing an essay right now.

I just notified Pierre Trudeau we will soon be out of trees in the lower 48 and to get ready to pulp them branches for Chanel’s essays

Chanel standing by:

[WargamesX]

The Mavs pick is protected top 10... explain to me again how removing the protections is supposed to be an asset? Does anyone really think the Mavs are going to be bad enough that this protection is something that might happen?

Even in the situation that it's dangled as an 'unprotected pick' in a trade the team looking at that pick is going to presume it's in the 20s even if the protection is magically lifted. If the Mavs want to sign and trade they have to give up something, not nothing pretending to be something.

Not wishing an injury on Luka… but they do happen. That’s why protections are the wave and everybody does it. Personally I see the Knicks demanding a second rounder, but waiving the protection isn’t completely “nothing” either.

Even without Luka that team isn't bottom 10 unless they fall to bottom of the lottery because of a Luka injury and the lottery balls bounce them into the top 10, it's pretty much a nothingburger.

There we have to disagree. I think that team is trash without Luka…. To put it into perspective that team as designed is like a the Knicks with Melo in the 2010’s. That team is getting cooked if it’s superstar is out.

Keep in mind I am also not thinking of that pick as a draft asset for the Knicks but as a trade asset. An unprotected draft pick just sounds better in a trade because injuries do happen.

[Iron Mantis]

This is interesting. Vegasinsider and Fanduel Sportbook have RJ and Brunson at #2 and #3 for best odds to win Most Improved Player award next year.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/most-improved/

Brunson could jump from averaging 16ppg to 24ppg next season as the Knick's first option.

But neither Brunson or RJ can win MIP with Randle here ball hogging... maybe Vegas knows something?

[WargamesX]

This is interesting. Vegasinsider and Fanduel Sportbook have RJ and Brunson at #2 and #3 for best odds to win Most Improved Player award next year.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/most-improved/

Brunson could jump from averaging 16ppg to 24ppg next season as the Knick's first option.

But neither Brunson or RJ can win MIP with Randle here ball hogging... maybe Vegas knows something?

If Randle was going to be moved Obi would be on that list. The only thing Vegas knows is Brunson is going to a team where his on ball usage will go up, and RJ will have a PG for the first time in his NBA career who can feed him, and keep his own defender out the paint.

[Trademarkk]

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2022/07/09/mark-cuban-losing-jalen-brunson-to-knicks-he-deserves-it-mavericks

Silence has been broken. Now announce the sign and trade

[stuporman]

Not wishing an injury on Luka… but they do happen. That’s why protections are the wave and everybody does it. Personally I see the Knicks demanding a second rounder, but waiving the protection isn’t completely “nothing” either.

Even without Luka that team isn't bottom 10 unless they fall to bottom of the lottery because of a Luka injury and the lottery balls bounce them into the top 10, it's pretty much a nothingburger.

There we have to disagree. I think that team is trash without Luka…. To put it into perspective that team as designed is like a the Knicks with Melo in the 2010’s. That team is getting cooked if it’s superstar is out.

Keep in mind I am also not thinking of that pick as a draft asset for the Knicks but as a trade asset. An unprotected draft pick just sounds better in a trade because injuries do happen.

You can think anything you like but the reality of it is one player doesn't get a team to the conference finals, even LeBron needs help and Luka is no different. There are a dozen teams actively tanking, the FO is arranging it from day one of the season and the Mavs aren't one of them.

For your plan to unfold as you think he'd have to get hurt the first month and miss the whole season. Even then they have built a pretty solid team around him though without him it probably wouldn't make the playoffs without him. If he gets hurt a third or even half way through they still not a bottom 10 team.

Then there's the time component of it, this pick would be conveying next draft, if it were years off then the Knicks have time to use it that way. They have this off season and early into the season to trade it as an 'unprotected pick' because if Luka isn't hurt and the Mavs are winning it's becomes obvious.

Even if the Knicks were to get the protections removed it doesn't magically become something it's not, no amount of 'what if' changes that it's assumption from FOs that it isn't going to be a lottery pick. The Knicks can't sell them on the 'what if' of lining up circumstances just right to make it so.

The only caveat I would agree to is if the Knicks were able to add some of their own picks unprotected in a deal for an established 'star'. Then the other team's FO can win the press conference in saying they got 2-3 unprotected picks for the star...of course, it still doesn't make it likely to be a lottery pick.

Of course all of this has to happen before 2022 ends because by the time we are in the new year that 'what if' window closes. If it were a pick 2 or 3 years down the road the Knicks could use it that way at the deadline or next off season, as it stands the 'what if' clock is expiring.

[WargamesX]

Even without Luka that team isn't bottom 10 unless they fall to bottom of the lottery because of a Luka injury and the lottery balls bounce them into the top 10, it's pretty much a nothingburger.

There we have to disagree. I think that team is trash without Luka…. To put it into perspective that team as designed is like a the Knicks with Melo in the 2010’s. That team is getting cooked if it’s superstar is out.

Keep in mind I am also not thinking of that pick as a draft asset for the Knicks but as a trade asset. An unprotected draft pick just sounds better in a trade because injuries do happen.

You can think anything you like but the reality of it is one player doesn't get a team to the conference finals, even LeBron needs help and Luka is no different. There are a dozen teams actively tanking, the FO is arranging it from day one of the season and the Mavs aren't one of them.

For your plan to unfold as you think he'd have to get hurt the first month and miss the whole season. Even then they have built a pretty solid team around him though without him it probably wouldn't make the playoffs without him. If he gets hurt a third or even half way through they still not a bottom 10 team.

Then there's the time component of it, this pick would be conveying next draft, if it were years off then the Knicks have time to use it that way. They have this off season and early into the season to trade it as an 'unprotected pick' because if Luka isn't hurt and the Mavs are winning it's becomes obvious.

Even if the Knicks were to get the protections removed it doesn't magically become something it's not, no amount of 'what if' changes that it's assumption from FOs that it isn't going to be a lottery pick. The Knicks can't sell them on the 'what if' of lining up circumstances just right to make it so.

The only caveat I would agree to is if the Knicks were able to add some of their own picks unprotected in a deal for an established 'star'. Then the other team's FO can win the press conference in saying they got 2-3 unprotected picks for the star...of course, it still doesn't make it likely to be a lottery pick.

Of course all of this has to happen before 2022 ends because by the time we are in the new year that 'what if' window closes. If it were a pick 2 or 3 years down the road the Knicks could use it that way at the deadline or next off season, as it stands the 'what if' clock is expiring.

Injuries happen in the first month all the time I am not going to go back and forth on that. I rather talk about our FO and their “Frugal” strategy to team building which honestly isn’t a horrible approach.

First, I don’t think this FO is gearing up to trade for a star player unless the price is ridiculously low. I appreciate the fact Leon Rose who helped gut the Knicks to get his client Melo the maximum contract realizes how that basically handicapped the Knicks attempt to be good around Melo. If they did trade for a star. It would probably involve moving guys for cap space to sign them in FA like how we’re seeing them do for Brunson.

Everything about this FO is “slow and steady wins the race” and “maximize assets”! The FO wizkid Aller’s claim to fame is moving salaries around to get Kevin Love and Lebron on the Cavs and getting JR Smith and Shump for 2nd rounders when they needed wing depth. Perry’s claim to fame is the 2004 Pistons championship team that was made up of really good vets that teams didn’t appreciate, and Thibs who since the 2000’s bulls doesn’t care as long as they can play. Also, of course Leon Rose who I mentioned before knows trading for a star is costly and secretly seems to adore those Villanova teams that were both full of solid, high skilled future professionals and not a single superstar. However, that team was the best “team” on the court, and I think that is what they are building with the Knicks.

Nothing about this FO says they will trade directly for a star unless the team doing the trade wants Pennie’s on the dollar because they are stupid. Teams don’t trade stars because they are stupid. Teams trade stars to get every asset they can from the other teams. However, Teams do trade JR and Shump for two seconds because they are stupid. The most painful trade this Knicks FO did was trading out of 11 (because they desperately needed cap space for Brunson) and them being them, made sure to get additional trade assets to pass that pain along to someone else later.

The Knicks need picks they can trade to desperate teams, like how they got Cam from the Hawks. No protections on a first going out sounds great when a team is selling low on a player for cap reasons. Look at the hawks, they just wanted a 1st and I bet they feel a certain way about those protections now. That’s why an unprotected Mavs pick has value, it’s a better quality of fools gold the Knicks can sell. Now does 1-10 likely occur with the Mavs? No, but remember the season Melo got injured and the Knicks had the third worst record in the league, because Amare, and Tyson had injury issues too.

Injuries happen, and the Knicks can use that to make a desperate team feel a little better about the fact they are losing a good player for a likely late pick but maybe they get lucky and the Mavs had a injury plagued year.

[KnixinSix]

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2022/07/09/mark-cuban-losing-jalen-brunson-to-knicks-he-deserves-it-mavericks

Silence has been broken. Now announce the sign and trade

Awesome. Yup Now announce the S&T (if there is one).

[NoDopeOnSundays]

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2022/07/09/mark-cuban-losing-jalen-brunson-to-knicks-he-deserves-it-mavericks

Silence has been broken. Now announce the sign and trade

“No hard feelings,” Cuban said.

[stuporman]

There we have to disagree. I think that team is trash without Luka…. To put it into perspective that team as designed is like a the Knicks with Melo in the 2010’s. That team is getting cooked if it’s superstar is out.

Keep in mind I am also not thinking of that pick as a draft asset for the Knicks but as a trade asset. An unprotected draft pick just sounds better in a trade because injuries do happen.

You can think anything you like but the reality of it is one player doesn't get a team to the conference finals, even LeBron needs help and Luka is no different. There are a dozen teams actively tanking, the FO is arranging it from day one of the season and the Mavs aren't one of them.

For your plan to unfold as you think he'd have to get hurt the first month and miss the whole season. Even then they have built a pretty solid team around him though without him it probably wouldn't make the playoffs without him. If he gets hurt a third or even half way through they still not a bottom 10 team.

Then there's the time component of it, this pick would be conveying next draft, if it were years off then the Knicks have time to use it that way. They have this off season and early into the season to trade it as an 'unprotected pick' because if Luka isn't hurt and the Mavs are winning it's becomes obvious.

Even if the Knicks were to get the protections removed it doesn't magically become something it's not, no amount of 'what if' changes that it's assumption from FOs that it isn't going to be a lottery pick. The Knicks can't sell them on the 'what if' of lining up circumstances just right to make it so.

The only caveat I would agree to is if the Knicks were able to add some of their own picks unprotected in a deal for an established 'star'. Then the other team's FO can win the press conference in saying they got 2-3 unprotected picks for the star...of course, it still doesn't make it likely to be a lottery pick.

Of course all of this has to happen before 2022 ends because by the time we are in the new year that 'what if' window closes. If it were a pick 2 or 3 years down the road the Knicks could use it that way at the deadline or next off season, as it stands the 'what if' clock is expiring.

Injuries happen in the first month all the time I am not going to go back and forth on that. I rather talk about our FO and their “Frugal” strategy to team building which honestly isn’t a horrible approach.

First, I don’t think this FO is gearing up to trade for a star player unless the price is ridiculously low. I appreciate the fact Leon Rose who helped gut the Knicks to get his client Melo the maximum contract realizes how that basically handicapped the Knicks attempt to be good around Melo. If they did trade for a star. It would probably involve moving guys for cap space to sign them in FA like how we’re seeing them do for Brunson.

Everything about this FO is “slow and steady wins the race” and “maximize assets”! The FO wizkid Aller’s claim to fame is moving salaries around to get Kevin Love and Lebron on the Cavs and getting JR Smith and Shump for 2nd rounders when they needed wing depth. Perry’s claim to fame is the 2004 Pistons championship team that was made up of really good vets that teams didn’t appreciate, and Thibs who since the 2000’s bulls doesn’t care as long as they can play. Also, of course Leon Rose who I mentioned before knows trading for a star is costly and secretly seems to adore those Villanova teams that were both full of solid, high skilled future professionals and not a single superstar. However, that team was the best “team” on the court, and I think that is what they are building with the Knicks.

Nothing about this FO says they will trade directly for a star unless the team doing the trade wants Pennie’s on the dollar because they are stupid. Teams don’t trade stars because they are stupid. Teams trade stars to get every asset they can from the other teams. However, Teams do trade JR and Shump for two seconds because they are stupid. The most painful trade this Knicks FO did was trading out of 11 (because they desperately needed cap space for Brunson) and them being them, made sure to get additional trade assets to pass that pain along to someone else later.

The Knicks need picks they can trade to desperate teams, like how they got Cam from the Hawks. No protections on a first going out sounds great when a team is selling low on a player for cap reasons. Look at the hawks, they just wanted a 1st and I bet they feel a certain way about those protections now. That’s why an unprotected Mavs pick has value, it’s a better quality of fools gold the Knicks can sell. Now does 1-10 likely occur with the Mavs? No, but remember the season Melo got injured and the Knicks had the third worst record in the league, because Amare, and Tyson had injury issues too.

Injuries happen, and the Knicks can use that to make a desperate team feel a little better about the fact they are losing a good player for a likely late pick but maybe they get lucky and the Mavs had a injury plagued year.

I'm not going to argue about what the intentions of the Knicks FO is because other than, I'm assuming, trying to build a winner who knows....not me and surely not you regardless of how sure you are.

Again...this pick is right around the corner, any value as an 'unprotected pick' would have to be extracted before the end of 2022 no matter how many variations of your idea you want to dance around with.

Write walls of texts about the history of 'what if', it doesn't change that it's unlikely to be a lottery pick and there's one chance for the Knicks to cash in on it ending very soon.

Also again, my point is that this wouldn't be enough to give them the sign and trade they may want because it actually allows them to make their team better lessening the chance of your what if.

[F N 11]

Rumors were all fake. Include Fournier in the sign and trade come on.

[seren]

I am pretty sure Cuban was relieved not having to pay a monstrous luxury tax bill just to keep Brunson. I doubt he will do a trade to take on any additional salary,

[Spree2Houston]

The fact Brunson hasn’t officially signed yet means a S&T is being worked out. I’m really hoping it’s for Fournier or TPE with Mavs removing protection on pick