Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[KnixinSix]

I am actually really high on Kessler so it seems crazy that we could get him. He’d be perfect for what we do. Great rim protection rebounding and finishing around the rim. Still young with upside, don’t care at all if he had a minor sophomore slump over there on a team that wasn’t trying to win. It’s too good to be true.

Richards or Kessler has to be the play, I'm fine with either one of them. I'd prefer Kessler because of the rim protection numbers and how young he is.

Same. But you also have to consider…. It’s Ainge. Richards is a on a pretty good contract too.

Odds are we will get neither but it would definitely reduce the sting of losing Ihart if we did

With what I just said above I think it's over 50% personally.

[KnixinSix]

It is, because I said this before to another post. We do not have the assets nor the ability to acquire future assets to use the only two non key rotational players on the roster go in the same trade for a player who has to come here and show that he is a better than Sims.

The FO should look at this as an either Dadiet or McBride or draft picks (via sending McBride to the Nets) trade situation.

Dediet for Kessler makes a ton of sense for both teams. Utah gets an extra 2 years of rookie control and higher upside. The Knicks fill a need with a higher floor/lower ceiling piece that can contribute right away.

But this feels like it would have happened on draft night if it were to happen.

Maybe there was a cap reason to wait.

Maybe the Knicks waited to get the extra picks from OKC, so Ainge gets his hands on some of those sweet sweet 2nd rounders

Quite possibly you could be right. Something may already be 90% worked out behind the scenes already.

[newyorker4ever]

Most these assets outside of McBride or Kessler are not going to mean squat if they have to pivot and these are essentially our assets for the next 2 seasons unless we can develop the 2nd rounders we just took to show they have value.

I am for getting Kessler but you got to be smart with it.

I think the Detroit pick is the best asset we have remaining. Or swap in 2026 doesn't hold much value and I hate the idea of giving up another unprotected future draft asset (2030 swap) unless it results in getting an upgrade from Randle to team with Brunson (unlikely). I doubt that the Washington pick ends up conveying, but I think it's 50-50 that the DET 1st conveys in 2027 when it's top-9 protected and they should be a team on the rise.

Detroit is trash man I assume that is becoming a second rounder.

The Detroit and the Wash protected 1st's will become 2nd rounders. I knew that when we made those trades for those picks.

[HerSports85]

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[WaltFrazier]

Absolutely not when you recognize the importance of rim protecting in Thibs system.

It is, because I said this before to another post. We do not have the assets nor the ability to acquire future assets to use the only two non key rotational players on the roster go in the same trade for a player who has to come here and show that he is a better than Sims.

The FO should look at this as an either Dadiet or McBride or draft picks (via sending McBride to the Nets) trade situation.

Dediet for Kessler makes a ton of sense for both teams. Utah gets an extra 2 years of rookie control and higher upside. The Knicks fill a need with a higher floor/lower ceiling piece that can contribute right away.

But this feels like it would have happened on draft night if it were to happen.

But on draft night weren't we still trying to keep iHart?

[mpharris36]

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I have just ruled out all bigs that don't have any ability to protect the rim....we know what thibs wants. Don't think he really values floor spacing from 5's...he wants them inside offensive rebounding and protecting the rim.

[WargamesX]

It is, because I said this before to another post. We do not have the assets nor the ability to acquire future assets to use the only two non key rotational players on the roster go in the same trade for a player who has to come here and show that he is a better than Sims.

The FO should look at this as an either Dadiet or McBride or draft picks (via sending McBride to the Nets) trade situation.

Dediet for Kessler makes a ton of sense for both teams. Utah gets an extra 2 years of rookie control and higher upside. The Knicks fill a need with a higher floor/lower ceiling piece that can contribute right away.

But this feels like it would have happened on draft night if it were to happen.

But on draft night weren't we still trying to keep iHart?

I don't think there is a premade deal. We went out of our way to try and make a play for Ihart. The FO is now on plan B.... Try to trade with Ainge. It says a lot how much they probably preferred IHart coming back.

[3toheadmelo]

Not sure how much interest utah will have in Deuce though. They already have Keyonte George and just drafted Isaiah collier who they were reportedly willing to trade up for. Also still have sexton, Clarkson

non of those guys are really off ball defensive guards tho. Keyonte has the ball in his hands a lot...collier is a on ball guard. Sexton is as well. Clarkson I don't see long in Utah either.

Also most of those guys outside of Sexton don't really have reliable jump shots right now.

But for whatever reason if they don't want Duece...you can find a 3rd team to offer them picks package or another player they may want. I have to believe duece and his contract are a pretty coveted asset right now.

Collier did make some big strives defensively to end the season, Keyonte is still very young but has a lot of potential. They prob are gonna trade Clarkson and maybe Sexton. But to me, I feel like Utah seems pretty good with guards right now.

The main issue with acquiring Kessler from Utah is Danny Ainge. He's gonna want way more than Deuce and weak picks for Kessler. Like a Gobert type of package he got for him.

[R-DAWG]

You mean like not signing iHart for 3 years with a player(or team) option instead 2 years meaning they have his full bird rights so lost him and put him in this predicament?

You mean like trading away a lottery pick for two crappy second rounders that wound up having a good season and was part of the reason a team beat you in the playoffs?

You mean like trading away first rounders to get out of your previous mistakes that wind up being used on players including centers making immediate impacts on those other teams?

You ever think this is just another mistake he's 'going to learn from' in the future but isn't helping him while he actually made it right now?

Stop. making. excuses. and just accept he still can make mistakes.

All GM's make mistakes... Presti just helped the Mavs get PJ Washington and Gafford and then proceeded to lose to them for that very reason... The key is to hit more homeruns than duds. Leon and co. have had tons of home runs which you seem to be overlooking in order to nitpick.

Go back and read the whole exchange if you want to comment on it. I praised Rose for great work but also acknowledge his mistakes and then people want come in the middle of the convo without knowing what I originally said to act like I didn't say it.

Leon has generally done a good job here. He hit a home run with Brunson and has made some good under the radar signings.

But he has paid a HUGE price in terms of assets and/or contracts on Bridges/OG/Hart and while the team is very good now is out of flexibility.

As I have been saying, the roster is really exciting, but in terms of being out of picks and on the verge of being a 2nd apron team - the roster is a little underwhelming.

[mpharris36]

Dediet for Kessler makes a ton of sense for both teams. Utah gets an extra 2 years of rookie control and higher upside. The Knicks fill a need with a higher floor/lower ceiling piece that can contribute right away.

But this feels like it would have happened on draft night if it were to happen.

But on draft night weren't we still trying to keep iHart?

I don't think there is a premade deal. We went out of our way to try and make a play for Ihart. The FO is now on plan B.... Try to trade with Ainge. It says a lot how much they probably preferred IHart coming back.

Of course because Ihart doesn't cost you any assets. To get Kessler you probably need to move at least one of Duece or Dadiet and or additional draft capital (2nd rounders and such). Easier just to sign a known commodity that works well with your starting unit.

[WargamesX]

But on draft night weren't we still trying to keep iHart?

I don't think there is a premade deal. We went out of our way to try and make a play for Ihart. The FO is now on plan B.... Try to trade with Ainge. It says a lot how much they probably preferred IHart coming back.

Of course because Ihart doesn't cost you any assets. To get Kessler you probably need to move at least one of Duece or Dadiet and or additional draft capital (2nd rounders and such). Easier just to sign a known commodity that works well with your starting unit.

That’s what I am saying…. Plus Ainge just seems like a headache to get anything done .

[mpharris36]

Not sure how much interest utah will have in Deuce though. They already have Keyonte George and just drafted Isaiah collier who they were reportedly willing to trade up for. Also still have sexton, Clarkson

non of those guys are really off ball defensive guards tho. Keyonte has the ball in his hands a lot...collier is a on ball guard. Sexton is as well. Clarkson I don't see long in Utah either.

Also most of those guys outside of Sexton don't really have reliable jump shots right now.

But for whatever reason if they don't want Duece...you can find a 3rd team to offer them picks package or another player they may want. I have to believe duece and his contract are a pretty coveted asset right now.

Collier did make some big strives defensively to end the season, Keyonte is still very young but has a lot of potential. They prob are gonna trade Clarkson and maybe Sexton. But to me, I feel like Utah seems pretty good with guards right now.

The main issue with acquiring Kessler from Utah is Danny Ainge. He's gonna want way more than Deuce and weak picks for Kessler. Like a Gobert type of package he got for him.

Gobert was a 3 time DPOY when the jazz traded him...Kessler hasn't even been a fulltime starter for Utah so no way would he ask for anything near the Gobert package.

I know the Jazz worked out Dadiet pre-draft...maybe you are right and they don't want a guard...but they could have interest in a 19 year old wing as part of the package.

[3toheadmelo]

Rob sell me on your guy nick richard

[mpharris36]

I don't think there is a premade deal. We went out of our way to try and make a play for Ihart. The FO is now on plan B.... Try to trade with Ainge. It says a lot how much they probably preferred IHart coming back.

Of course because Ihart doesn't cost you any assets. To get Kessler you probably need to move at least one of Duece or Dadiet and or additional draft capital (2nd rounders and such). Easier just to sign a known commodity that works well with your starting unit.

That’s what I am saying…. Plus Ainge just seems like a headache to get anything done .

potentially but he has made a lot of moves. I think he was trying to cash in on Mitchell coming back home and our desperation for a star at the time. We can also see the tea leaves as well. They added Filiposwki in the draft and Eubanks in FA...and Hardy wants to play like the celtics 5 out. That is why Kessler took a step back from his rookie year. So its not like they are all in on Kessler for the future either.

[Chislic]

Oh and BTW Dadiet just coincidentally had a pre draft visit with the Jazz.

3 team deal with Nets and Jazz

Dadiet and McBride and all those picks get traded to in some form to Nets and Jazz for Kessler and Bridges while satisfying the cap rules of the CBA to minimize our restrictions against the 1st or 2nd Apron.

Kessler (32), Mitch (16)
Randle (30), Bridges (5), OG(5), Hart (8)
OG(25), Bridges (12), Hart (11)
Bridges(15), DDV(25), Hart(8)
Brunson (32), Mclaughlin or Lowry (10), Kolek (6)

Thibs system near ideal 'dream team'

-2 elite rim protectors
-A bully PF that commands double and triple teams
-3 absolute elite defensive wings in OG, Bridges and Hart
-4 guys capable of spacing with 40% or near 40% 3 ball potential (OG, Bridges, Brunson, DDV)
- Strong rebounders at positions 2 to 5
- High IQ players for defensive switching and less mismatches during switch offs in a possession

If the Jazz loved Dediet that much we can just do a 1 for 1 with him and Kessler. Or we could have done this trade on draft night.

I think the Pacome Dadiet draft rights are headed to the Nets. I suggested this they day we drafted him, but nobody listens.

Here is a list of 14 draft prospects Hoopshype linked to the Nets. (see pic below) Dadiet is the ONLY 1st rounder.

The Nets deal will require a lot of picks. In order to send them our 2024 NY pick I think we had to draft the player (per Stephen Rule) and then send them the draft rights in the trade. This is a loophole. (Teams must use their 1st round pick every other future draft.) We couldn't announce the pick going to the Nets draft night because at the time we were not able to trade our NY 1st round pick... but now we can trade draft rights.

[mpharris36]

Oh and BTW Dadiet just coincidentally had a pre draft visit with the Jazz.

3 team deal with Nets and Jazz

Dadiet and McBride and all those picks get traded to in some form to Nets and Jazz for Kessler and Bridges while satisfying the cap rules of the CBA to minimize our restrictions against the 1st or 2nd Apron.

Kessler (32), Mitch (16)
Randle (30), Bridges (5), OG(5), Hart (8)
OG(25), Bridges (12), Hart (11)
Bridges(15), DDV(25), Hart(8)
Brunson (32), Mclaughlin or Lowry (10), Kolek (6)

Thibs system near ideal 'dream team'

-2 elite rim protectors
-A bully PF that commands double and triple teams
-3 absolute elite defensive wings in OG, Bridges and Hart
-4 guys capable of spacing with 40% or near 40% 3 ball potential (OG, Bridges, Brunson, DDV)
- Strong rebounders at positions 2 to 5
- High IQ players for defensive switching and less mismatches during switch offs in a possession

If the Jazz loved Dediet that much we can just do a 1 for 1 with him and Kessler. Or we could have done this trade on draft night.

I think the Pacome Dadiet draft rights are headed to the Nets. I suggested this they day we drafted him, but nobody listens.

Here is a list of 14 draft prospects Hoopshype linked to the Nets. (see pic below) Dadiet is the ONLY 1st rounder.

The Nets deal will require a lot of picks. In order to send them our 2024 NY pick I think we had to draft the player (per Stephen Rule) and then send them the draft rights in the trade. This is a loophole. (Teams must use their 1st round pick every other future draft.) We couldn't announce the pick going to the Nets draft night because at the time we were not able to trade our NY 1st round pick... but now we can trade draft rights.

we had two 1st rounders at the time...we could of easily traded our first round pick since we had the DAL 1st rounder. You don't need to keep your own you just need to have a 1st round pick in one of two consecutive years.

The deal has been announced already. Unless its adding other pieces or helping us get unhardcapped the nets aren't getting more assets from us.

[G_K_F]

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I have just ruled out all bigs that don't have any ability to protect the rim....we know what thibs wants. Don't think he really values floor spacing from 5's...he wants them inside offensive rebounding and protecting the rim.

Hartenstein was a floor spacer without being a shooter.

Spacing doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be able to shoot from 3. It’s can you be useful on offense in any form - on ball, off ball. Mitch has proven he’s a complete zero there and that negatively affects Randle and the rest of the offense.

Saric shouldn’t be a target for center but would be nice to see if Looney is available from Golden State. If that works financially at all.

[aggo]

I want Kessler but we should be real. Unless the trade is deuce straight up, it’s a no go for me

This is no time to worry about including picks. We are all in and picks can be made up in the future. Get it done now and let's make a run.

If that’s the case, don’t include deuce and offer frp

[R-DAWG]

Oh and BTW Dadiet just coincidentally had a pre draft visit with the Jazz.

3 team deal with Nets and Jazz

Dadiet and McBride and all those picks get traded to in some form to Nets and Jazz for Kessler and Bridges while satisfying the cap rules of the CBA to minimize our restrictions against the 1st or 2nd Apron.

Kessler (32), Mitch (16)
Randle (30), Bridges (5), OG(5), Hart (8)
OG(25), Bridges (12), Hart (11)
Bridges(15), DDV(25), Hart(8)
Brunson (32), Mclaughlin or Lowry (10), Kolek (6)

Thibs system near ideal 'dream team'

-2 elite rim protectors
-A bully PF that commands double and triple teams
-3 absolute elite defensive wings in OG, Bridges and Hart
-4 guys capable of spacing with 40% or near 40% 3 ball potential (OG, Bridges, Brunson, DDV)
- Strong rebounders at positions 2 to 5
- High IQ players for defensive switching and less mismatches during switch offs in a possession

If the Jazz loved Dediet that much we can just do a 1 for 1 with him and Kessler. Or we could have done this trade on draft night.

I think the Pacome Dadiet draft rights are headed to the Nets. I suggested this they day we drafted him, but nobody listens.

Here is a list of 14 draft prospects Hoopshype linked to the Nets. (see pic below) Dadiet is the ONLY 1st rounder.

The Nets deal will require a lot of picks. In order to send them our 2024 NY pick I think we had to draft the player (per Stephen Rule) and then send them the draft rights in the trade. This is a loophole. (Teams must use their 1st round pick every other future draft.) We couldn't announce the pick going to the Nets draft night because at the time we were not able to trade our NY 1st round pick... but now we can trade draft rights.

Hopefully this isn’t in addition to the picks we sent them for Bridges - because 6 1sts for Mikal is insane (so is 5 for that matter)

The only reason you wouldn’t be able to trade the rights on draft night is if you wanted to sign him and use his salary in the deal. Otherwise, they could have traded the pick to the nets on draft night

[mpharris36]

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I have just ruled out all bigs that don't have any ability to protect the rim....we know what thibs wants. Don't think he really values floor spacing from 5's...he wants them inside offensive rebounding and protecting the rim.

Hartenstein was a floor spacer without being a shooter.

Spacing doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be able to shoot from 3. It’s can you be useful on offense in any form - on ball, off ball. Mitch has proven he’s a complete zero there and that negatively affects Randle and the rest of the offense.

Saric shouldn’t be a target for center but would be nice to see if Looney is available from Golden State. If that works financially at all.

I'm aware...but Saric really just is a pick and pop big. GS played him at the 5 some because they value that and have Draymond as well who can guard and rebound.

Looney I think makes too much...8 MM I believe is out of our price range.