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Around the NBA part 3

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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1021 » by fdr2012 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:08 am

dantian wrote:The fact with Lin and Rockets is, their team plays much better letting the "shaky" Lin handle the ball and direct the offense, i.e. the main facilitator. Harden and the whole team's efficiency improved a lot, despite Lin's "unimpressive" personal stats filling his role. That tells you the story here: Lin is a natural PG with the sense for strategically relevant spacing on the court. This is a rare talent most PG newbies don't have. If he keeps it while improving his handling, shooting and passing steadily, he will be more than fine as a starting caliber NBA PG.


The fact is that Lin has gotten worse since last season at just about every aspect. His FG% is worse, his scoring is down, his 3PT% is down, and even his FT% is down. The only thing Lin is doing slightly better is TOs. Everything else is the same or worse, yet people here continue to talk about him "improving". I guess you can always see what you want to see. Too bad you can't make up the numbers to fit your homers' agenda.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1022 » by chales_zed » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:25 am

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dantian wrote:The fact with Lin and Rockets is, their team plays much better letting the "shaky" Lin handle the ball and direct the offense, i.e. the main facilitator. Harden and the whole team's efficiency improved a lot, despite Lin's "unimpressive" personal stats filling his role. That tells you the story here: Lin is a natural PG with the sense for strategically relevant spacing on the court. This is a rare talent most PG newbies don't have. If he keeps it while improving his handling, shooting and passing steadily, he will be more than fine as a starting caliber NBA PG.


The fact is that Lin has gotten worse since last season at just about every aspect. His FG% is worse, his scoring is down, his 3PT% is down, and even his FT% is down. The only thing Lin is doing slightly better is TOs. Everything else is the same or worse, yet people here continue to talk about him "improving". I guess you can always see what you want to see. Too bad you can't make up the numbers to fit your homers' agenda.


Lin certainly hasn't improved as much as I'd have liked or expected. He still isn't great driving left, he's become more passive in the offense, he makes too many errant passes and his jump-shot has regressed.

But his numbers aren't entirely reflective of his ability. Deron struggled this season because Avery's offense turned him into an off-guard and he received PNRs very sparingly, as they preferred to run post-ups with Brook or literally just dribble around on the perimeter and pass it around like a hot potato aimlessly. The moment he got fired Deron got his PNRs back and he's doing spectacularly.

In the Rockets the half-court offense they had marginalised Lin's role even more so. He was relegated to spot-up threes while it was initiated by the wings. When the Rockets weren't running they were stinking, and I mean they were really, really stinking. Harden ISOs all day and Parsons and Delfino had no idea what to do. McHale even had Toney Douglas running point calling for screens while Lin stood at the elbows and had to blow by his man using his first step.

It's taken them a while but they've finally started letting Lin run more of the offense and eased on having Patterson camping at the other corner spotting up. The last four games the Rockets have looked much more organised, and when you see Lin sitting Harden doesn't seem very comfortable running the point at all, it really is day and night.

Also he doesn't have Tyson Chandler to pass it to, he's got Omer Asik. At least one or two of Lin and Harden's turnovers per game are because Asik has just fumbled a really easy pass, he does that a ridiculous amount of times, the dude has stone hands.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1023 » by Johnny Hoops » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:08 pm

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ibraheim718 wrote:Watching the Warriors game and man every single starter are what I would call "smart" players.. and Lee and Bogut complement each other beautifully.


Yeah they're a beast to be reckoned with, Bogut just adds another dimension to their team. Their offense is beautiful to watch, great ball movement, and David Lee is such a fantastic PF. He sets great screens and knows how to roll to the basket or step back for the pop.

The Lynch-pin is Curry though, he's an elite 'chucker', once he gets a glimpse of daylight he just shoots it and because he's so good he wreaks havoc on defenses trying to close out on him. Playing as the off-guard he can draw so much defensive attention for Jarret and Lee to run the PNR/ PNP and now with the addition of Bogut in the low-post Lee can drop it off to him for the jam if his man rotates to Lee.


They are a fun team to watch but key to that team may be the big boy Festus Ezeli -- he has given them a toughness in the paint that they've traditionally lacked. Throw in Jack/Landry off the bench and you have a team that nobody wants to play in the playoffs.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1024 » by knicks94 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:16 pm

How did Jrue Holiday only score 18 pts against Memphis? Isn't this guy capable of putting up a lot of points?
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1025 » by Fat Kat » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:20 pm

knicks94 wrote:How did Jrue Holiday only score 18 pts against Memphis? Isn't this guy capable of putting up a lot of points?


1. He missed shots.

2. He averages 19/game
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1026 » by jeff1624 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:57 pm

Capn'O wrote:Also - Is CP3 the only 20/10 assist guy since 2000? Even 20/10 rebounds guys are becoming a rare bird.

Nash didn't.
Dwill didn't.
Steph came close as well.

Gives me a good appreciation for just how doggone talented Steph was and why Isiah liked him so much. Too bad he was **** crazy and Isiah had no clue how to build the right environment for him...



Deron did it in the 2010-2011, the season he was traded.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1027 » by Capn'O » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:42 pm

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Capn'O wrote:Also - Is CP3 the only 20/10 assist guy since 2000? Even 20/10 rebounds guys are becoming a rare bird.

Nash didn't.
Dwill didn't.
Steph came close as well.

Gives me a good appreciation for just how doggone talented Steph was and why Isiah liked him so much. Too bad he was **** crazy and Isiah had no clue how to build the right environment for him...



Deron did it in the 2010-2011, the season he was traded.


So he did. Neither Yahoo or ESPN combines his stats that year :evil:
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1028 » by Capn'O » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:46 pm

chales_zed wrote:Also he doesn't have Tyson Chandler to pass it to, he's got Omer Asik. At least one or two of Lin and Harden's turnovers per game are because Asik has just fumbled a really easy pass, he does that a ridiculous amount of times, the dude has stone hands.


Funny you say that as that's something Tyson has really improved on. A buddy of mine who is a Bulls fan used to call him "Hands of Ass." Omer is definitely something rough to watch on offense.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1029 » by frogfood » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:34 pm

Capn'O wrote:
chales_zed wrote:Also he doesn't have Tyson Chandler to pass it to, he's got Omer Asik. At least one or two of Lin and Harden's turnovers per game are because Asik has just fumbled a really easy pass, he does that a ridiculous amount of times, the dude has stone hands.


Funny you say that as that's something Tyson has really improved on. A buddy of mine who is a Bulls fan used to call him "Hands of Ass." Omer is definitely something rough to watch on offense.


I'll add that Asik is glued to the floor so no lobs heh. I'm not goign to get into any more Lin debates. I enjoy their games and I definitely enjoy Ray being back for sure.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1030 » by fdr2012 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:18 pm

chales_zed wrote:But his numbers aren't entirely reflective of his ability.


That's where you depart from reality into a self-made fantasy land.

Reality = Numbers.

Fantasy Land = Stories/Excuses.

Lin hasn't gotten better from year 1 to year 2, yet people expect him to get (much) better from year 2 to year 3. I'm pretty sure you've never heard of Einstein's definition of insanity.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1031 » by frogfood » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:36 pm

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chales_zed wrote:But his numbers aren't entirely reflective of his ability.


Reality = Numbers.



Not that I'm saying Lin has improved since year 1, but using counting stats on a non-isolated team sport is definitely not "reality."
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1032 » by fdr2012 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:00 am

frogfood wrote:Not that I'm saying Lin has improved since year 1, but using counting stats on a non-isolated team sport is definitely not "reality."


I know. The best measure of "reality" is simply to say whatever you want to believe/fantasize right? That's exactly how we wind up in this "Lin is a star/superstar" debate. If numbers don't matter in a "non-isolated" team sport, why isn't the HOF filled with 5/5 guys? Why don't we have 12/6 players in the allstar game?
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1033 » by Falstaffxx » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:04 am

Why isn't Bogut playing tonight. Is he having health problems?
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1034 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:12 am

Falstaffxx wrote:Why isn't Bogut playing tonight. Is he having health problems?

I thinks he's held out of back to backs

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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1035 » by Pharmcat » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:18 am

rockmanslim wrote:Lin finally puts together two decent games in a row and the Lin defense force comes out of the woodwork. :lol:

Tell me though, what's Lin's ratio of bad games to good games this season? A lot higher than his assist/to ratio, I'm pretty sure.


lin is a 12/6 guy

he'll have some better games, but then follow them up with some pedestrian games
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1036 » by Muggsy Bogues » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:36 am

Falstaffxx wrote:Why isn't Bogut playing tonight. Is he having health problems?


No back to backs for him until after the All-Star break, after which he'll go back to playing fulltime.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1037 » by Fat Kat » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:39 am

18 & 18 for Drummond so far. Kid's a beast and should be starting.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1038 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:02 am

Steve Blake is back... no more DuDu and no more DuDu Morris.
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Post#1039 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:09 am

I don't understand how Doc just didn't convince his son to stay in school... and how does Austin not have 1 bit of the savvy his pops had?
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#1040 » by knicks94 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:09 am

Wow, the Lakers look like an unstoppable force with Kobe playing the role of Magic Johnson. I was one to not kick D'antoni while the Lakers were down because I would have had to eat my words now that the Lakers are playing championship level basketball.

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