Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

[Wonderllama]

I'm a little apprehensive about getting the #1 pick. I feel whoever gets it will be compelled to take Okafor regardless, and wasn't that the same sort of reason KD went #2 instead? There might be less room for error with the #2 pick

[Retired_Doc]

Grab OK4, then trade down for WCS and assets.

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[E-Balla]

Brad daughterly would destroy mark gasol and would be the best center in the game today.

I don't think anyone would disagree with you offensively. Daugherty (peak for peak) is one of the 10 best offensive centers ever. Averaged 21/10.5/4 from 91-93 and 21/10.5/3.5 in the playoffs his last 3 postseasons. He even made All NBA over Hakeem in 92 but he was never top 10 in MVP voting and he wasn't even the best player on his team mainly because he was a terrible defender. Not so sure he's better than Marc who's won just as much as Brad while being the best player on his team.

[newyorker4ever]

Good article on tier 1/2/3 free agents.

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knic ... 2-11240490

[NYKnickerbocker]

Maybe his pops is a Knick fan

That's the reason I'm a knicks fan

Dad stuck me with being a Giants fan, I remember those 2-12 years long ago making fun of my Dad for following those losers, 4 SuperBowls later...

So it could still turn out alright.

For you maybe, the Knicks are a lost cause to me, not enough years left to make up for that amount of lost time.

Yeah I'm a tard. Just a stubborn tard.

Dad blessed me with the knicks, mets, and jets


All of em mismanaged, short spurts of success with prolonged terms of failure.

[DickGrayson]

This poll is insane. At one point it was 80% Okafor. Now we're at 42% Okafor.

[mugzi]

That's because Towns is the pick, Okafor is the next Al Jefferson.

[RHODEY]

Chris Vernon: Asked two scouts at Grizzlies game last night about Okafor or Towns. Both said Towns. I was kind of surprised. Twitter @ChrisVernonShow

Very interesting.

[Guano]

[RaZzMaTaZz]

If the Knicks keep wining pointless games(Especially if they beat Min and philly), We may need to expand poll and add additional players. SMH this franchise doesn't do anything right lol.

[lilojmayo]

Another thing Knicks fans. This not even a good year to even tank . Only Karl Towns has HOF potential due to defensive potential. But i fail to see how he will help you guys defensively any better than what Tyson Chanlder brought to the table.

Jahill Okafor doesn't even protect a rim , bigs that only score and don't protect a rim never become big time franchise changing players see Al Jeffeson.

Knicks never get any luck.

[DickGrayson]

Another thing Knicks fans. This not even a good year to even tank . Only Karl Towns has HOF potential due to defensive potential. But i fail to see how he will help you guys defensively any better than what Tyson Chanlder brought to the table.

Jahill Okafor doesn't even protect a rim , bigs that only score and don't protect a rim never become big time franchise changing players see Al Jeffeson.

Knicks never get any luck.

theres like 10 guys from this draft who may end up being better than OJ Mayo.

[lilojmayo]

Another thing Knicks fans. This not even a good year to even tank . Only Karl Towns has HOF potential due to defensive potential. But i fail to see how he will help you guys defensively any better than what Tyson Chanlder brought to the table.

Jahill Okafor doesn't even protect a rim , bigs that only score and don't protect a rim never become big time franchise changing players see Al Jeffeson.

Knicks never get any luck.

theres like 10 guys from this draft who may end up being better than OJ Mayo.

OJ Mayo mediocre , he made a name during the pre-analytics movement. If I grew up in the analytics movement ( thanks to Doreyl Morey , no way I ever be a fan ) . Don't get style points for ability to make low efficient contested long two pointers anymore ( Nick Young falls into that category also , I remember a few ppl calling him the Next Kobe also ) ..


Its all about being athletic , being able to attack a rim , get to the FT line , Yo-Yo handles , ability to play in the pick and roll , the ability to pull up from 3 pointer in isolation situation , off the ball screen and in transition etc. In terms of being a guard

See James Harden


Knick fans...... I want yall to Title Contenders ( and deep down most NBA fans in general do ) its simply better for the NBA when big markets perform well. But man, clearly you guys are getting a Top 3 Pick

Just like I listed the attributes that a guard must possess in today's game , Big follow a really simple skillet that you want to build around .........PROTECT A RIM , if you can't at least do that not interesting . Okafor can't protect a rim therefore limits what he can bring to a table , in a game where a back to the basket post game isn't really needed for team success..... see Al Jefferson

This just isn't the best draft to get a Top 3 pick ........ only Karl Towns has HOF potential . But based on what the Knicks need I just don't see how he will provide anymore better ( defensively speaking ) that what Tyson Chandler provided for you guys.


But again Phil Jackson is getting paid 12 million a year, so I know he has to have a few tricks under his sleeve

[NBA Fan 1234]

You do realize how easy it is to get into the HOF, right? If Okafor stays healthy and averages 20/10 for his career (or close to those numbers), he'll get in. Not saying it'll be worth it if his defense is still absolute ****; just saying that he can make it to the HOF...if he pans out.

Chandler's defense was also **** for the most part. He played defense when he wanted to, that's it. Granted, he didn't have good perimeter defenders to help corral players on the perimeter making his job harder...but his defense was still not nearly as good as advertised (throughout his tenure with the Knicks).

Towns doesn't have the food speed to be a great perimeter defender / someone who can switch off onto smaller players on isolations, but he's a smart defender who rotates well --> which is far more important than iso defense from a team defense POV.

Also, the player you named when listing guard attributes you look for in players is essentially Russell.

[Smash3]

You do realize how easy it is to get into the HOF, right? If Okafor stays healthy and averages 20/10 for his career (or close to those numbers), he'll get in. Not saying it'll be worth it if his defense is still absolute ****; just saying that he can make it to the HOF...if he pans out.

Chandler's defense was also **** for the most part. He played defense when he wanted to, that's it. Granted, he didn't have good perimeter defenders to help corral players on the perimeter making his job harder...but his defense was still not nearly as good as advertised (throughout his tenure with the Knicks).

Towns doesn't have the food speed to be a great perimeter defender / someone who can switch off onto smaller players on isolations, but he's a smart defender who rotates well --> which is far more important than iso defense from a team defense POV.

Also, the player you named when listing guard attributes you look for in players is essentially Russell.

Yup just enter the league and average 20-10 your entire career like its a Tuesday, no problem.

[NBA Fan 1234]

You do realize how easy it is to get into the HOF, right? If Okafor stays healthy and averages 20/10 for his career (or close to those numbers), he'll get in. Not saying it'll be worth it if his defense is still absolute ****; just saying that he can make it to the HOF...if he pans out.

Chandler's defense was also **** for the most part. He played defense when he wanted to, that's it. Granted, he didn't have good perimeter defenders to help corral players on the perimeter making his job harder...but his defense was still not nearly as good as advertised (throughout his tenure with the Knicks).

Towns doesn't have the food speed to be a great perimeter defender / someone who can switch off onto smaller players on isolations, but he's a smart defender who rotates well --> which is far more important than iso defense from a team defense POV.

Also, the player you named when listing guard attributes you look for in players is essentially Russell.

Yup just enter the league and average 20-10 your entire career like its a Tuesday, no problem.

Where did I say from year one? Okafor has an advanced enough post game (although he needs to learn to take that extra step and square up on his moves) that will allow him to average 15ppg in his rookie year. Him making the jump to 20 in year two is not out of the question and will in all likelihood happen by year three, if he stays healthy.

I'm not advocating Okafor at all, I'm just saying that him potentially making it to the HOF is not out of the question.

I want Towns and Russell OVER Okafor, but I don't see what makes Towns a "future HOF player."

[Workforce250]

But I rather have a good system and players than can excel in it. HOF comes or not, but me myself want to see a great mix in order to win the championship. OK4, Towns, Kaminsky whoever can flourish in this TEAM system best and make it better.

[swisscheeseD]

I want Towns and Russell OVER Okafor..."

Nice to see another poster whom I respect fall into this same category.

I'm taking Towns #1 for the SOLE reason that 2-way skilled 7footers don't grown on trees, but I truly feel there is something special about Russell, especially in this system, in this city. I made the comparison before, and ibraheim hated it and pretty much shat on the thought...but D'Angelo Russell can be Derek Jeter-like in this city with the way he carries himself on and off the court. HE is by far the best fit next to Melo, but we need bigs.

[Fat]

Another thing Knicks fans. This not even a good year to even tank . Only Karl Towns has HOF potential due to defensive potential. But i fail to see how he will help you guys defensively any better than what Tyson Chanlder brought to the table.

Jahill Okafor doesn't even protect a rim , bigs that only score and don't protect a rim never become big time franchise changing players see Al Jeffeson.

Knicks never get any luck.

This is the perfect tank year

[Bobbyydee]

The question is this: what is harder to find? A 7 foot skilled Low post scorer with vision or a 7 foot rebounder defender?

Very good question, its easier to get a 7ft rebounder. That is why I want Okafor